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phf: but yeah self control is important, and i think a lot of people who do it through their lives turn into alcoholics ☟︎
BingoBoingo: phf: At some point I had that ability and lost it later to multi day binges. That may or may not have contained 5-12 hour bouts of "civilized" drinking.
shinohai: Depends on mood I guess, but I do enjoy it so I didn't want to give up *entirely*
shinohai: Well I have a bottle or 2 of wine on occasion, then maybe not touch a drop for 2-3 months.
shinohai: I tried complete sobriety and decided my life was less interesting because of it.
shinohai: heh I missed that one
shinohai: +mircea_popescu why not try playing it lol. you just wanna compile thangs ? lol, this is why I stick more on trb side of things xD
a111: Logged on 2016-08-20 21:10 danielpbarron: i only feel smart about computers when i'm among people not-in-here
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-20#1526043 << lol that happens to a lot of folk on a lot of topics, i hear. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-08-20 21:08 shinohai: I haven't tried Eulora build on Gentoo yet, only got one box w/gentoo
phf: yeah, i just noticed :> one sec
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-20#1526030 << ftr i haet this multi-line paste with comment thing. took me near a whole ten seconds to disentangle who said what to whom. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-20#1526002 << this is so crazy, i live in the flood plain at the end of one of the world's largest rivers, i fondly recall seeing a mosquito. six months ago. ☝︎
covertress: very well, I'll say my goodnights.
mircea_popescu: then fuck him. i specifically do not wish to hear anything he has to say.
covertress: mircea_popescu, I'll elaborate when I bring his proposal, in person. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell bingoboingo "Following the news of a serious RNG bug affecting all GPG versions a low energy shitgnome campaign of apologetics and "not that bad" followed." << can i get a "The fact that hundreds of GPG keys have been Phuctored in the past year has, of course, nothing to do with all this." added ?
covertress: mircea_popescu, I bring fond greetings from a gun-toting, tannerite-shooting, ivy league, master of dining ettiquette.
mod6: I'll give it another week, sound ok?
mod6: No apology required. Was just checking incase I missed something there.
danielpbarron: mod6, i didn't attempt it yet sorry
mod6: I can certainly help with that process if someone wants to do this on their own.
phf: mod6: i don't think you understood what we were saying, but certainly nobody's expecting you to grind vpatches as a "service to others", so please don't
mod6: because if so, I think it's had enough testing to send along to the ML and website. get all that updated so people can use that.
shinohai: mod6: I'm game
mod6: I've got 14 new deeds that I'm about ready to sign and have tested before feeding them to deedbot.
mod6: s/it'd/i'd/
mod6: And the problem is, if I regrind & sign these patches now, it'd just have to do it again after these other two things are complete anyway.
mod6: i certainly could do that.
mod6: and i guess furthermore, if it's needed for me to regrind these four vpatches as a service for others...
danielpbarron: i only feel smart about computers when i'm among people not-in-here ☟︎
mod6: anyway, im sure it would work fine. at the same time, not sure i'd want to spend hours/days setting up a box for eulora.
danielpbarron: when it comes to computers i'm sure i'm dumber
danielpbarron: it's no so hard. I mean if I can do it then there must not be any excuses
mod6: i'd say that gentoo would probably make a fine box for eulora.
danielpbarron: i can't imagine there is a better environment to build and run it in, granted getting a working gentoo might be the hard part
mod6: well, mainly. i guess. the emerge thing still gets me from time to time.
shinohai: I haven't tried Eulora build on Gentoo yet, only got one box w/gentoo ☟︎
mod6: i just laughed because of the previous tribulations with gentoo. i'm fine with it now that i'm over that hump.
danielpbarron: mod6, shinohai, why not gentoo ?? (i run eulora on gentoo btw)
mod6: so if i see the "dump priv key" patch out there on btcbase or found somewhere else (it's not included in the patches in thebitcoin.foundation's site), then i'd pull that vpatch down, regrind it myself, and place it into patches where I can apply it myself as a "WILD" patch.
mod6: <+phf> asciilifeform: i did, he said something about "this being work in progress and don't want to commit" or somesuch << i could regrind them, yeah. ideally, each who want to use these unexamined items should do so on their own accord, placing them in their patches directory as a "WILD" patch. Until the day when the foundation moves forward and folds them in after examination and testing. ☟︎
mod6: pposed to replace it <+phf> instead. obviously this doesn't make for pretty graphs, so i don't upload it << yup. there's a planned vpatch for this. bunch of discussions. just been focusing my attention on trb build stuff lately.
mod6: <+phf> there's periodically things that claim to be vpatches, but they don't have genesis. i think a notable example of that is v.pl, which has been published as v.pl, and then followed up by vpatches that are supposed to superseded each other rather than form a chain. generally i've seen that pattern a lot, people publish something, than publish a second vpatch, that doesn't build on previous vpatch, but su
mod6: i probably should also, update phf.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> so if i want to publish a vpatch today, how do i go about it ? <+jurov> ofc you can send it to mailing list. and to phf via deedbot, and maybe some other places i dunno? << i always just send mine to the ml
phf: only thing i can't figure out with asciilifeform's killfile is how to get laptop to do apm related stuff. the main package depends on dbus ☟︎
shinohai: It works fine for me, just the video issues I had, but others assure me the chetty mod would fix.
mod6: maybe i should yield and throw ubuntu on it and make that the new eulora box.
mod6: i put obsd on it, had some plans for it... but now it's been idle for like... oh... eight months.
mod6: well, actually, i've got this box just sitting here... its new.
mod6: <+diana_coman> hi mod6 how's that eulora-box thing going? :D << hi!! it's not going exactly yet. been kinda caught up. i need to get a box for that. will do, soonish.
shinohai: Yeah kind of a local thing. I have a really hard time finding it in other places.
shinohai: lol, we have storms in forecast so I look forward to evening at home with good muscadine wine.
shinohai: I literally can't make a story on anything last few days
shinohai: This is the slowest news month for Qntra since I started contributing.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not really - if i shit in my btctron, the most that can burn down is my own house.
mircea_popescu: for that matter, i daresay i've seen the sad fruits of "results-oriented programming" for lo these many decades, and in honestly i could have done with a whole lot less of it.
mircea_popescu: i get it, it's pretty fucking revolutionarily wild, and taken seriously teh mind needs some time to digest the whole thing. not a problem. but in the meanwhile gotta keep things clean so the poor soul actually has a port to come to when he comes.
phf: so i think mircea_popescu has alergy to broken thinking, which is there plenty. retrofitting "equivalent solution" in this case is going to mask the fact that the process was not v, but something else entirely made to look like v post factum. you might as well export git history into v patches
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i can see where you're going, aha.
phf: asciilifeform: i did, he said something about "this being work in progress and don't want to commit" or somesuch
mircea_popescu: i'm sure he will ; but the important point here is not that as much as the principle of teh thing.
mircea_popescu: tell you what : i remember the process just fine ; has nothing to do with "the recorded result".
mircea_popescu: and wtf with the argumentum ad populum. i care "what people do" about as much as i care about "probable results"
asciilifeform: i am not about to pretend that mathematically idempotent things are different.
mircea_popescu: i do not care!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dun want this sort of c-ism unix-ism microsoft-ism imported!
mircea_popescu: there's places for flexibility ; but this isn't one. i dun even wanna think about "creative" solutions such as "retrocreate a genesis". just god damned it already, take the code, sign it, and then patch on the basis of that.
asciilifeform: i must point out that it is always possible to retroshit a genesis.
phf: instead. obviously this doesn't make for pretty graphs, so i don't upload it
phf: there's periodically things that claim to be vpatches, but they don't have genesis. i think a notable example of that is v.pl, which has been published as v.pl, and then followed up by vpatches that are supposed to superseded each other rather than form a chain. generally i've seen that pattern a lot, people publish something, than publish a second vpatch, that doesn't build on previous vpatch, but supposed to replace it
phf: mircea_popescu and co, there's no deedbot process. at the frequency of vpatches, whenever i see one, i just uploaded it to btcbase. and by see, i mean it's posted to a log or just mentioned
asciilifeform: looks like i will have to paste ?
asciilifeform: 183.246.69.24 << first, i think, in china.
diana_coman: guess I'll go and check that
diana_coman: ha, and I was just suggesting that in eulora, lol
mircea_popescu: i have eight sets of "sb" (solid branch) : 503 q 222 ; 1466 q 3 ; 973 q 207 ; 983 q 252 ; 1651 q 258 ; 2963 q 189 ; 563 q 22 and 336 q 225. the first number is the count, the second the quality (depends on your mining, whatever) ; you can mix these, the game will floor the average quality. this means you can lose matter through mixing, so you want to mix stacks so as to obtain the highest possible quality final. ☟︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2016-08-20 14:16 jurov: ofc you can send it to mailing list. and to phf via deedbot, and maybe some other places i dunno?
a111: Logged on 2016-08-20 14:08 mircea_popescu: i dun recall what the problem was there.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-20 14:18 jurov: so far not, but i will turn it off if something arises that needs nontrivial fix
jurov: so far not, but i will turn it off if something arises that needs nontrivial fix ☟︎
jurov: ofc you can send it to mailing list. and to phf via deedbot, and maybe some other places i dunno? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: so if i want to publish a vpatch today, how do i go about it ?
mircea_popescu: the coupla times i used it, i recall it working (after cutting through a mess of operator error).
mircea_popescu: i do of course recall alf throwing a number of hissy fits
mircea_popescu: i dun recall what the problem was there. ☟︎
ben_vulpes: i wonder why anyone would give half a shit about an ex-conference organizer's...steak?
ben_vulpes: i thought that was the 'altman' thing, turns out it's the 'mcclure' thing
covertress: as I've spent a very busy few sleepless days/nights out of the country, I'll say my goodnights now
covertress: mircea_popescu, one of my co-panelists has a proposal for you. I'll bring it when I visit.
asciilifeform: i'd be quite surprised if any of the participants (other than, perhaps, koch) even suspected there were any such thing as us.
mircea_popescu: which makes it what, the ... 4th ? i forget.
mircea_popescu: anyway. i gues yet-another of these events where the whole bar talk is about us.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-17 16:20 mircea_popescu: "I doubt this will ever happen. Even he never cracked any PGP keys at all, the FUD he spread around was a nice way to get some free advertising. Look, people saying his name on gnupg and enigmail lists, which are quite popular I believe."
asciilifeform: i also
shinohai: I see trilema as first result
mircea_popescu: might explain all the effort the derps are putting into talking around the matter, i guess.
mircea_popescu: i forget the exact score, but the part where it is three digits to ZERO is kinda seared in my memory.
mircea_popescu: i fondly recall the brief push by sm derps of the "mp is right occasionally" angle. i suppose someone stopped and counted meanwhile.