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phf: so you either rely on those, or you have a chicken and egg problem (how do i compile c without knowing how to compile c)
mircea_popescu: i don't even understand why does it parse rather than compile, for instance. seems a very nutty design decision.
phf: automake is distinctly not magic. it's a text interpolation macro system. i'm pretty sure there's not even a tree shaker there (i.e. if you check for gcc, you check for gcc every time something says "i need gcc". only reason it's not done a dozen of times is because there's also a check "did i check for gcc already?". never the less all those dozen gcc checks end up in ./configure)
asciilifeform: perhaps because of the dire monoculture of african linux, perhaps not, i have nfi who has been building
mircea_popescu: i dun care what the lines are per se.
mircea_popescu: ah, to clarify : i do not mean "automake". i mean the process.
asciilifeform: but notice, i never picked up a microphone and proclaimed 'buildroot will be part of a republican standard for code'
mircea_popescu: that part's not so much in dispute. methinks i said above.
phf: "i don't like it"
mircea_popescu: seems pure fetishism. "i'm not signing generated code" well... yousigned ... your signature didn;t you ?
mircea_popescu: i... signed base64'd matter.
asciilifeform: not unless i READ it, and i will not read 800KB of boilerplate sh crapolade.
asciilifeform: and i ain't ever signing GENERATED code. not for love nor money.
mircea_popescu: so what am i goingto do, compile nvidia driver ?
asciilifeform: i hear microshit studio is even better at 'allow derps to build
mircea_popescu being the derps in question nine cases out of ten. no fucking way am i going to chase obscure deps on your obscure project.
asciilifeform: this is part 'i just wanted to!' if you like, but in no conceivable universe 'republican standard for code.'
mircea_popescu: i sort-of do yes. via jurov
mircea_popescu: they hardwired a bad path in there and i ran outof patience before finding the right magic knob.
asciilifeform: ^ where i say FUCK anyone who uses zhs. fuck people using orc glyphs. fuck anyone whose compiler is not in $CXX. automake is dead weight.
mircea_popescu: what i had in mind phf is, automake runs on project, keeps track of every bit of itself that it actually called, then inserts a pruned down version of itself somewhere, so you can ship the software with THAT instead of the whole automake.
phf: mircea_popescu: well, there's the primary file, where you say things "i need a c compiler for this project"
phf: i'm trying to remember what the current name is (which is where community retardation comes from) but yeah, aclocal is where you spec out just the things that you need for project
mircea_popescu: phf i wonder if a "prune down to THIS codebase" function would be useful.
mircea_popescu: phf yeah. i have a problem in that i want to impose eulora as standard for republic code ; but nevertheless automake IS a humongo pile of perl.
mircea_popescu: i dun want this to change.
asciilifeform: and yes all kinds of folks who dun know better think 'i cannot do X without it'
mircea_popescu: i have nfi how i'd do eulora client install w/o it.
asciilifeform: alternative is 1kb of 'i set lib paths here'.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-22 01:02 asciilifeform: automake is a work of evil, first thing i did when sawing off the mpi lib is to nuke it.
mircea_popescu: i guess we ping Framedragger ? or let him be ? ☟︎
phf: i need to patch site icon on that host, it still T
phf: there's also bits (like riscos.c which i think is part of zlib and dotlock*), which i think are imported/updated from external sources
phf: that's as clean as i can get it in a single pass http://107.170.141.103/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/gnupg.diff
phf: i like how they added a stub for GOST
asciilifeform: automake is a work of evil, first thing i did when sawing off the mpi lib is to nuke it. ☟︎
phf: mircea_popescu: i am, i am ashamed to admit it, feel comfortable in the warm embrace of apple's unix boxes, so transitioning out has been slow and painful.
asciilifeform: ^ i still want to learn where the brit got the sound track
phf: that thing looks like an air, so i figured it was junk, internally. but it's quite reasonable. harddrive has a rapid replacement design, etc.
mircea_popescu: i really wouldn't advise anyone to open a li-ion shit. why the fuck would you do that, next step is go to africa root through garbage for a living.
phf: not sure i can source a custom battery though
a111: Logged on 2016-08-22 00:23 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-20#1526079 << i watched thread and wondered how long an (allegedly) cunt-enabled ninjashogun would last in the field, vs a conventional one. seems like we have an answer.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-22#1526361 << i'm sure she'll be back. ☝︎
phf: oh also i couldn't figure out how to get intel to work on x11, rather than radeon. it seems like it requires some boot time pokes, which you need hurd to execute (or else figure out how to run a random code from lilo but before kernel is loaded, etc.)
a111: Logged on 2016-08-21 00:59 phf: for all the jokes about russian vodka drinking, the amount of "functional alcoholism" i've seen in ussa is staggering. i literally cut contact with about 70% of my friends from my 20s, because they are slob alcoholics with no self control. so it's either health nuts who don't touch the stuff (or rarely) or else it's "50 minutes of квас and then race to the bottom" crowd
a111: Logged on 2016-08-21 01:06 mircea_popescu: the song goes "uite-asa as vrea sa mor, cu paharul linga mine, cu cobzarul linga mine, intr-o crisma din obor, sa scriu cind o fi momentul cu vin rosu testamentul. sa-i tragem o betie de pomina sa fie"
phf: i'll give it another try. i started using it prematurely, and was basically running around looking for a powerplug at the point where i really didn't want to deal with shit like that
asciilifeform: phf: i have yet to find ONE single box where wifi/bluetooth and gsm are soldered down
phf: i'm pretty sure it's already macbook air school of engineering
phf: you know, i don't think i've actually checked bios come to think of it
phf: yeah, i think i figured out how to power down radeon and use intel, which solved some of the issues, but there's also a bunch of other peripherals, that remain powered-up even not in use, bluetooth, gsm, etc.
phf: i don't remember if i got hybernate to work, but my immediate problem was abysmal battery life on literally single emacs buffer and no daemons
a111: Logged on 2016-08-20 23:15 covertress: mircea_popescu, I'll elaborate when I bring his proposal, in person.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-20#1526079 << i watched thread and wondered how long an (allegedly) cunt-enabled ninjashogun would last in the field, vs a conventional one. seems like we have an answer. ☝︎☟︎
asciilifeform: phf: i have never used this item, cannot comment.
phf: i'll boot the laptop in a few and share the relevant details for interested parties
a111: Logged on 2016-08-20 20:43 phf: only thing i can't figure out with asciilifeform's killfile is how to get laptop to do apm related stuff. the main package depends on dbus
asciilifeform: ;;later tell phf http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-20#1526025 << didja use the minus in USE ? i have apm working fine on the box whose build resulted in that posted recipe. ☝︎
asciilifeform: i sat down to sift through this rubbish on 3 separate occasions, ended up with very little useful info
asciilifeform: phf: koch, drepper, weimer (yes, i shit thee not, all three participated, grep for them in the credits) took great care to make this job as painful as can be.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-19 14:56 asciilifeform: ;;later tell mod6 i came to this by attempting vdiff of gnupg 1.4.10 vs their .21 release from wednesday, and ending up with an unreadable 8MB turd, they moved/rm'd a buncha files.
phf: asciilifeform: do you have a gnupg1 version, that can be used as a trb-like base? i want to go through an execise of reading a diff between some version that can be relied on with all the disclaimers and whatever's in the trunk
mircea_popescu: the first* not the same i mean.
mircea_popescu: i can't recall another.
mircea_popescu: i thought hillary thought america is already great ? what fixing.
mircea_popescu: oh ben_vulpes i thought you were on about the tardstalk thing. no, i know/knew who chsados was.
danielpbarron: a courtesy that might cause a block to be orphaned, i guess is the primary reason to no actually enforce it
mircea_popescu: it's not that i don't understand the parts.
mircea_popescu: no, i know.
danielpbarron: so invalid address is a thing like nlock is a thing. What is the republic's take on that? I know nlock isn't well regarded, but what is the harm in rejecting invalid address? or is there no such thing as an invalid address?
shinohai: Just noticed I had used the <a> tags, replaced with BBcode nau
shinohai: I guess I'll babysit it and see if we get any bites
phf: william gibson predicted everything, i claim as far as futurists go, he's been on point for a few decades now
ben_vulpes: i haven't seen a vial prepared in any other way in over a year
a111: Logged on 2016-08-19 12:40 mircea_popescu: so on other news, i am writing teh republic's "cia factbook", and on the matter of gdp i would like to have an estimate of the "fair market value of the total time donated to republic during 2015" in the estimation of everyone involved. detailed is better, but nothing over a page omg.
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-19#1525034 << very belated, but i got hung up on the cost of time donated and the value produced ☝︎
phf: here i can understand the ugh thinking. but this http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/sprezzatura-lino-ieluzzi-ranato-plutino.jpg ? in #menswear this is supposed to be the hight of male style. the fuck is wrong with these people.
phf: i was following menswear scene at some point, and could never understand the obsession with italian pigeons. there's an american equivalent, which i call kanye blacks, where straight black guys dress in tight fitting over the top preppy clothes (ascots and vests in aggressive patterns are usually involved, or odd mismatched shit like http://i1020.photobucket.com/albums/af328/pynk747/louis-vuitton-party-pharrell-751800.jpg), but at least
shinohai: kk mircea_popescu ... I'll find relevant section and make up a post
mircea_popescu: shinohai i need some noobs to labour for me in eulora. put a post up wherever it fits, jobs board if they have it ? saying that i'll pay 1 bitcent / 2 hours of work. first task is to get gpg key made and registered with deedbot after which install game and ask for acct. once they're in they get the first bitcent, after which they'll get tasks.
gribble: jurov was last seen in #trilema 1 day, 1 hour, 32 minutes, and 44 seconds ago: <jurov> so far not, but i will turn it off if something arises that needs nontrivial fix
znort987: trinque: thx, what I was looking for. ☟︎
trinque: I'm off to the rainforest for now.
shinohai: mircea_popescu: I spoke with mod6 about a v-style wot viewer, now may be the time to expound upon said idea.
mircea_popescu: speaking of which... who wants to make a visualizer already ? i tried emailing the guy months ago but no answer.
BingoBoingo: Oh I almost forgot http://qntra.net/2016/08/not-quite-news-roundup-xtend-2-tmr/#rf1-6320
mircea_popescu: anyway. i fear that the great cvas society went the way of the cafe society decades prior. people just don't get out enough / maintain social circle enough / whatever for it to wkr.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-21 01:00 phf: also sop in i.t. "friday happy hours" at shitty bars until everyone's blacked out
a111: Logged on 2016-08-21 00:57 phf: but yeah self control is important, and i think a lot of people who do it through their lives turn into alcoholics
BingoBoingo: Oh I see. A trombone oriented society.
mircea_popescu: no idea what's with the "i'm a professional waiter" arm position, but anywya.
mircea_popescu: since i got this spun up, here : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFduSaFmiwc
shinohai: tmsr is the closet thing to a higher power I acknowledge true
mircea_popescu: ie, "this is how i wish to die, the glass by me, the kobza player by me, in an Obor dive, and when the time comes write my testament in red wine. let's get so drunk it shall be remembered."
mircea_popescu: the song goes "uite-asa as vrea sa mor, cu paharul linga mine, cu cobzarul linga mine, intr-o crisma din obor, sa scriu cind o fi momentul cu vin rosu testamentul. sa-i tragem o betie de pomina sa fie" ☟︎
shinohai: I never did AA, I can't buy into whole "higher power" thing.
BingoBoingo: But now thank to the 12 steps I have stolen Inner Peace from my higher power, and I will curb stomp a bitch if they try to steal my serenity.
phf: also sop in i.t. "friday happy hours" at shitty bars until everyone's blacked out ☟︎
phf: for all the jokes about russian vodka drinking, the amount of "functional alcoholism" i've seen in ussa is staggering. i literally cut contact with about 70% of my friends from my 20s, because they are slob alcoholics with no self control. so it's either health nuts who don't touch the stuff (or rarely) or else it's "50 minutes of квас and then race to the bottom" crowd ☟︎
shinohai: I just got tired of being a slob