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a111: Logged on 2016-09-14 11:48 Framedragger: PeterL wrote a url scooper, maybe he wants to do the url post to archive.is part as it'd be very trivial anyway?
mircea_popescu: adding a !#wws mircea_popescu for "what would mircea_popescu say" can't hurt anything
Framedragger: man i'll write an mp markov bot one of those days for sure. will probably sneak it into irc bot till it gets banned, too; see how long before people realise it's a bot ☟︎
mircea_popescu: yeah, by now it's becoming evident that gossipd is to be delivered with a config file and a VERY LONG helpfile.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: understand and agree. it's worth to have it be pointed out in the comments if only so that someone doesn't start assuming that the spec implicitly provides guarantees of uniqueness etc. and good to have a picture of the madness and lack of guarantee anyway. but i guess you're right
mircea_popescu: incidentally, and re http://trilema.com/2016/gossipd-design-document/#comment-119099 : if anyone likes to fuck around with markov chains etc, a prototype implementation of that would be perfect at this juncture. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: Framedragger thinkl about it though : if they coincide, and they also coincide in the same second, all that happens is that your lighthouse... skips a beat.
Framedragger: "rdtsc is not guaranteed to be available on every CPU, or to run at a constant rate, *or be consistent between different cores.*" (emphasis mine). `get_cycles()` is recommended, but from cursory look it seems that on some architectures it uses rdtsc internally? madness. ☟︎☟︎
Framedragger: (linux appears to require `rdtsc` to be able to return something akin to tick count. asciilifeform maybe knows if this is a doomed affair.)
Framedragger: remains to be seen if those are actually accurate. i recall wanting to obtain ns-level timing in a small no-bullshit C program, wasn't able to, reliably. could've been my failure, tho. really wouldn't trust those values
mircea_popescu: date +%N 353690185 < on a 3ghz machine eg.
Framedragger: i don't know. (asciilifeform?) but look, in http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2607263/how-precise-is-the-internal-clock-of-a-modern-pc there are hints of madness and inconsistency. "returns clock count" doesn't seem to be it.
Framedragger: aha. in which case i'll add a thing to scriba and PeterL can do it too and then there'll be some redundancy there, too. sounds good to me
Framedragger: PeterL wrote a url scooper, maybe he wants to do the url post to archive.is part as it'd be very trivial anyway? ☟︎
Framedragger: oh and he claimed to be a cat. skruffy the cat, he was. i miss him
a111: Logged on 2016-08-16 02:12 phf: i feel like tmsr needs a bard, whatever happened to vexual
Framedragger: why is Vexual banned - http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-16#1522329 - why no bard. you know tor irc channels used to have this skruffy character who connected from some small shanty town in deep russia and spoke broken english. thing is, he found and reported on a ton of deeper bugs, i mean like delicate race conditions that don't normally appear and shit. he claimed to have used win98 and complained all the time that tor broke on win98 ☝︎☟︎
jhvh1: asciilifeform: Error: "step0" is not a valid command.
trinque: argument grammar is more essentially descriptive of the item than a pile of html
jhvh1: asciilifeform: Error: "step" is not a valid command.
mircea_popescu: esp if a specific sexpr format should be included there.
asciilifeform: eh, nm, turns out that nonsense is debugola from a packet diddler thing i was using.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-14 00:13 deedbot: http://www.contravex.com/2016/09/13/check-out-this-piece-of-shit/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Check out this piece of shit.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-14#1541531 << these turn up periodically, and i mentioned it here not so as to encourage folks to play 'whack-a-mole' but to illustrate that bitcoin's socket handling sucks donkey balls ☝︎
mircea_popescu: dude, they're laying in a wet spot
asciilifeform: or maybe not. but not clear that it is a chick.
asciilifeform: could be a pile of rags.
asciilifeform: what, some dude fucking a ??? behind a dumpster ?
deedbot: http://www.contravex.com/2016/09/13/check-out-this-piece-of-shit/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Check out this piece of shit. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: which in practical terms means the usg is taxing a further 10% of the whole gdp, on top of whatever it admits to
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-13: [23:02:16] <pete_dushenski> "The U.S. government posted a $107 billion budget deficit in August, a 66 percent increase from the same month last year, the Treasury Department said on Tuesday… The fiscal year-to-date deficit was $621 billion through August, up 17 percent from a $530 billion deficit at the same time last year. " << a hundred $bn a month short… fuckin way to
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-13: [22:22:28] <pete_dushenski> frankly, it'd be swell as hell if mp and alf continued this debate in the comments section there - a la gossipd thread model - and then we'd have something to look back on weeks, months, or years from now.
phf: trilema, it was briefly a thing after the switch
mircea_popescu: wut is t-a again ?
a111: Logged on 2016-03-31 01:55 phf: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6q4n5TQnpA via jwz, an old interview with klf after they burned million pounds, for the amusement of #t-a
pete_dushenski: "The U.S. government posted a $107 billion budget deficit in August, a 66 percent increase from the same month last year, the Treasury Department said on Tuesday… The fiscal year-to-date deficit was $621 billion through August, up 17 percent from a $530 billion deficit at the same time last year. " << a hundred $bn a month short… fuckin way to go 'world's largest economy', you ARE detroit.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: there is such a thing as logs
pete_dushenski: frankly, it'd be swell as hell if mp and alf continued this debate in the comments section there - a la gossipd thread model - and then we'd have something to look back on weeks, months, or years from now.
pete_dushenski: reading all the spec chatter in the logs, it's worth linking the mega-thread on the same topic from june (via levitan) : http://www.contravex.com/2016/06/15/a-brief-discourse-on-specification/
asciilifeform: pistol fired with solenoid is, per my reading, a 5-15 yr offense in usa. (ianal)
asciilifeform: why did they have to cook up a cp trial for him.
phf: it is the kind of solution one were to find in yakov perelman books, with a handy back of the napkin classical mechanics calculation explaining how it would work
mircea_popescu: check it out, the pistol on quadcopter thing a lot more workable in practice than in alf's theory ?
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160913/#638 << not altogether a bad solution.
asciilifeform: phf: perhaps you were thinking of the dude who shot a neighbour's flying snoopcam ~with~ a shotgun ?
phf: incidently before fake-russian did that quadcopter video with guns, there ~was~ a youtube video of a shotgun mounted on a uav, which resulted in the poster being arrested. i can't find it though, was it in logs?
asciilifeform: however a rocket is a considerably simpler device than a recoilless rifle, with the vortex tube, and is the correct solution to 'fire from a floating turd'
phf: i'm sure that's a long considered designed, but my take on it definitely comes with a trollface
asciilifeform: phf: that's sorta what a recoilless rifle does.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: you will notice that they did not put the cannon in a chopper.
pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-12#1540185 << a10 is only 15 tons it turns out, so just a single order of magnitude off of chopperpistol ☝︎
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-13: [19:48:48] <trinque> heh, this guy expects english to have a phrase for insulting someone lacking knowledge of specifics / experience
asciilifeform: euclid had a friend like this also iirc.
mircea_popescu: (the joke being, for the physically innocent, that sound is shockwave in gas, and consequently getting gas to move faster than sound is a challenge.)
asciilifeform: it means 'dude REALLY demands a pneumatic rifle with supersonic bullet, and thinks that his classical education, 400 chick harem, 9000 battleship fleet entitles him to one' approx.
mircea_popescu: http://lurkmore.so/images/6/69/I_wanna_be_a_stripper.jpg << in other boobs
asciilifeform: btw i was hoping for at least a few 'yer full of shit, how about ___' from folks ~other~ than mircea_popescu also.
asciilifeform: i'ma bake a knuth-style recipe and drop it on mircea_popescu's www, but probably not before week is out.
asciilifeform: the part mircea_popescu took issue with was, as i understand, the mapping of 'rng that broadcasts to planet' into 'ip network' (which does not have such a thing as broadcast.)
mircea_popescu: "you're a very pretty boy, explain your lighthouse mechanism".
asciilifeform: i need a 'you're full of shit, explain ___'
asciilifeform: but imho it is missing a serious negative - synchronicity - this was 100% of my entire argument.
mircea_popescu: most people approach spec work as a positive endeavour ; which is why mine read so bewildering at first.
mircea_popescu: large part of spec's job is exactly in the negative. a good spec allows me to construct a complete negative of the item. this is much more important than commonly realised
mircea_popescu: and this is rather what a specification is. doesn;t allow you to produce a human ; but it allows me to reject some of your "human" products as not-human.
asciilifeform: aha. and so it looks like this is a replay of the iq thread - it is quite impossible to specify 'smart', but trivial to specify stupid; impossible - good fuck, easy to describe a useless one; the list of horrible food is easy to make (start with, say, asphalt) but not so of tasties; etc ☟︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i notice you got an 'appreciably seal' in there. looks like we'll be needing the instrumented standard cock, and a figure in newton-metres ?
asciilifeform: robert sheckley even had a hilarious story about a dude who gets conscripted to be the 'standard average fuck'.
asciilifeform: see, if you say 'fuck so strong that it leaves me unable to get up' then you did not actually specify anything, but merely offered the use of your head as a physical test standard,like that kilogram weight in france.
asciilifeform: is 'tasty' a spec for food ?
mircea_popescu: no, it's the title of a spec.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that's a spec ?!
mircea_popescu: the part where you can spec things that don't actually fit in head. for instance, i can specify "a good fuck", or "an acceptably behaved slut" or "a boring housewife"
mircea_popescu: i can say "the population of argentina has a total sum IQ of 170 over ~40mn people" ; this may be so or not, whatever ; interpreted by the reader. you can ask "o yeah, if you can build things then how would you go about building folded hypercube ?". to which i won't answer. for the reason. are they both caricatures ? maybe so. does that do anything ?
mircea_popescu: depends how you define better. but it stands in a way the question does not.
mircea_popescu: i wasn't asking you a question with it!
asciilifeform: and the 'mathgeniusboy' with his udders is not a same caricature ?
mircea_popescu: "what would you say to this mental image of mine which i call by a name i culled from reality and whose existence is here predicated on supporting my position in an inexistent argument ???"
mircea_popescu: no, but because the question is based on a presumption that doesn't hold in practice.
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160913/#420 << no, it's a "workable" alternative to go to fucking school and learn to think. which means languages, not math. "but mp, i'm a slut, i have big udders, why should I" oops i was reading from the wrong sheet, i mean "but mp, i'm a mathgeniusboy, why should i" blabla.
asciilifeform: the other fundamental aspect, other than 'nothing-to-allcomers' is that synchronous comms over lossy media (e.g. radio) do not work well. the thing that works well is 'i'll pour a bucket of luby in your direction, and you - in mine.'
asciilifeform: i.e. if A has to ~ask~ B something and wait for a reply every time they communicate, it violates nothing-to-allcomers.
asciilifeform: at any rate, i stand by my assertion that a synchronous (if you don't know what this means, look it up) carrier is unsuitable for gossipd.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it ~would~ be a considerably easier job if you answered the q, which is, do you want a description of the thing on all possible physical carriers (radio, pigeon, ip, telex, ...) or just particulars. and if so, which.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-13: [17:16:41] <ben_vulpes> http://discuss.ardupilot.org/t/ardupilot-and-dronecode/11295 << "Due to their overwhelming desire to be able to make a proprietary autopilot stack the Platinum members staged what can only be called a coup. They removed all top level open source projects from DroneCode, leaving only their own nominees in the Technical Steering Committee."
mircea_popescu: separately, if you want to register a bot you can have autovoice for it ; but in general it's a good idea to sort out the part where it voices itself as we're headed that way ; the autovoice thing is a stopgap and temporary.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-13: [17:01:55] <PeterL> what is the procedure for gettiing a bot voiced? I rewrote scoopbot to get titles of links, do I need to get it talking to deedbot/gpg decrypting things too?
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160913/#344 << to limit noise the idea is that whoever puts a link in is responsible to provide context for it ; rather than rely on automatic bot function. bots are to read their own www logs when referenced and that's it.
asciilifeform: phf`: it is quite possible for a bot to sit on >1 server. just needs >1 nick.
asciilifeform: if it doesn't , it is a dire problem
trinque: heh, this guy expects english to have a phrase for insulting someone lacking knowledge of specifics / experience
asciilifeform: 'матчасть' (contraction of, approx, 'material part') is a military term of art, refers to, e.g., how far a ru 120mm howitzer shoots when pointed at 45deg, vs 'how do we make a pincer' ☟︎
trinque: sounds a bit like the "do you even" thing.
asciilifeform: e.g., what would you say to a dude who demands an airgun that fires supersonic bullets.
trinque: spb (~stephen@freenode/staff/spb): [Global notice] We've put a cloth over the self-destruct button so that nobody pushes it again. << ahahaha
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/NihIk << claims the railway story was a gag. whatever.
asciilifeform: Framedragger: i won't touch a tcp 'gossipd'
asciilifeform: Framedragger: i'm not yet entirely certain if mircea_popescu understands that the choices on the table are strictly a) use radio b) use ip c) lay own oceanic fiber.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: right. which is not a super strange thing to require anyway imho; this may be required when IP is dissected for gossipd purposes, anyway. (sure, ideally the whole thing should be (eventually) ditched.
asciilifeform: Framedragger: all it means is that you need a patched kernel to send and receive.