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mircea_popescu: what's "manipulation" to do with it ? if you claimed you sat down to have tea with some complex numbers, i'd point out the batshit insanity of that notion just like above, yes.
asciilifeform: i don't partake in the 'aristotelian' notion of correctness - 'do this because fella with a beard 3 metres long said it to be correct'. gotta show example of the kind of disaster one might arrive at via the incorrectness.
mircea_popescu: also known as "i see dead people."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they didn't, nor do i, nor does anyone capable of thinking.
mircea_popescu: "oh, i spend all my time counting milimorts so i know a lot about death"
mircea_popescu: i barf at the idea that you dicking around with a statistical model has allowed you to cogently discuss the actual events.
asciilifeform: and incidentally i can readily see why mircea_popescu might barf at idea of millimort as applied to, e.g., road fatality
mircea_popescu: anyway, i'd guess you pivoted the definition. "milimort nonsense" refers to the ridiculous pretense that statistics discusses discrete events ; it is not a proposition that statistical aproaches to risk management are infeasible or their lingo inacceptable.
asciilifeform: say i have option of walking through 2 minefields. one with 1 booby per 10 sq. m., the other - per 20.
asciilifeform: nothing i said imports this nonsense.
mircea_popescu: "if i make it what i think it should be it crashes" ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: because i just pissed all over 'operating machinery on sabbath' prohibition, and guess what.
asciilifeform: i.e. the div by 0, or overflow, etc.
mircea_popescu: the practical difference it makes is that if you stuprum definitions the results are - by definition - undefined. just like when you smash buffers, what you get is a no-longer-working machine. irrespective of what "practical" difference it makes understood as "i still see tiled windows so all is well"
asciilifeform: well i work with these for a living, what.
asciilifeform: as far as i can see, this is a distinction without a difference
mircea_popescu: and you're way too liberal with this "oh, bigint ? sure i'll smush a string in there!"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this hallucination of choice, "i am getting none and will tell you what i won't accept" is the universal symptom of elliot-idiocy not just in elliot, but in everyone. AFTER you get MORE than you can handle, THEN you can express preference. not before. never before.
mircea_popescu: kid is a wonder to behold, he effortlessly succeeds at things virtually none of his compatriots ever do, such as killing people (note how many of the "i shot a buncha losers" types are actually first generation or further as opposed to malibu-beachouse-timesharing-lizzardkin) or keeping his nose clean (seriously, find someone in californa born 80s or prior who is not and will not smoke), and then is all bitter and butthurt o
mircea_popescu: cuz i had nfi there was anyone left in california who didn't ganja
BingoBoingo: "Both my friends James and Philip seem to be the weak, accepting type; whereas I am the fighter. I will never stand to be insulted, and I will eventually have my revenge against all those who insult me, no matter how long it takes." << Dude needed a real enemy
a111: Logged on 2016-08-26 22:02 covertress: asciilifeform: if i do, you'll be the last to know
lobbes: help page noted. I'll put it first in the queue
lobbes: of course, if I finally got to adding search on the logs, maybe it'd be easier to find this out :/
asciilifeform: the jews of old europe understood this, and - best as i know - NEVER invoked the goyish judicial system on whatever pretext, when dispute was wholly internal
pete_dushenski: i've heard of this 'blackholing money' thing. was all the rage circa 2007/8
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: in the anglo world, it is 'unnecessary' in the same way bleeding-as-medicine is. i.e. unless you are a lizard, judge will piss on your prenup.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: hm ? i mean the snowforts of giza and whatnot.
pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-26#1529760 << incidentally, a prenup is entirely unnecessary with the advent of bitcoin. but i guess we can forgive kanye given the age of that particular tune. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-08-26 22:02 covertress: asciilifeform: if i do, you'll be the last to know
pete_dushenski: speaking of which, cheers to mircea_popescu for the elliot chronicles! i loled many, many times
pete_dushenski: i may not have grown up in former su, but the arctic is its own kind of strange parallel universe requiring altogether mesmerising adaptations
pete_dushenski: also, i dun need lessons in pickups! http://www.contravex.com/2016/06/24/a-trucking-good-time/
BingoBoingo: If there were complaints though I'd expect them to actually have increased over the past two weeks as I've taken to walking around with athletic black girl to trigger fat white bitches into hopefully eating less.
asciilifeform: it was written by the fella whose diesel-powered cock you were considering to encompass, covertress . i recommend reading attentively.
covertress: asciilifeform: if i do, you'll be the last to know ☟︎☟︎
danielpbarron: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-26#1530024 << maybe. I'm about to start up my seasonal thing, which means I move in at work, leaving empty space where I currently reside. But that's a really big maybe seeing as how it's not my place and it's a very risky thing, letting someone move in. That aside, the timeframe is perfect. I will be away for more than a few months even ☝︎
phf: hmm, there's no exceptions, bot's simply timing out. i wonder if i should put a reconnect throttle. i wouldn't be surprised if the ping is timing out, but a connection can still go through. so bot times out, then reconnects, then one ping goes through, another one times out, so bot disconnects again..
phf: basically it's a choice between beta level code that is likely to do something stupid, but not as likely to completely die and stable code that doesn't know how to reconnect dying on wednesday while i'm away
phf: it's running on a new irc code, unfortunately pretty close to me going away into desert, but hopefully today tomorrow i'll have time to debug it a bit
phf: asciilifeform: i don't know what that was, i'll have to read the log/code but probably sometime later tonight. fwiw it reconnects
thestringpuller: trinque: i'd be honored!
thestringpuller: i can't afford ho-tels on lock. i'm no conrad hilton.
thestringpuller: no i have a motel on lock...for...things...
thestringpuller: i have a motel room, but he'd have to work
mircea_popescu: i also saw them in every red light district
asciilifeform: i also saw them in chicago
mircea_popescu: i would expect.
mircea_popescu: i have nfi
asciilifeform: trinque: i specifically did not mean 'ansifier', as in your caca, or the infamous 'ascii starwars', but purposeful ansi-drawing.
trinque: that's what I said: libcaca
trinque: asciilifeform: I have no idea what you're talking about
asciilifeform: i'd actually like such a thing.
asciilifeform: ^ but we already, i think, did this thread.
asciilifeform: because i can send raptorade split among 25 boxes, to his 15, in random order.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-26 16:06 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-26#1529659 << and timing attacks, of course. of all numerous kinds - suppose as a banal example that what i want to do is discern whether key X is yours or his. well, a simple solution would be to add a third i know is not involved, send the same thing to all three, and see which of the susperct two behaves like the third.
asciilifeform: one other point re http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-26#1529877 is that divorcing from 'a node is an ip' entirely, makes this or any variant of this attack considerably more painful. with single-packet quanta, and raptor code (i.e. it does not matter whether mircea_popescu gets all of my packets in order, but only that he gets 10% of the packets i send in next second, in SOME order) his 'node' could consist of 15 machines in 6 continent ☝︎
mircea_popescu: took me all of 2 seconds, and i thought "funny how this works, where one man's stumped another man sees not the trouble"
asciilifeform: i just wanted it plugged into this thread, and for some odd reason it did not turn up in my notes.
asciilifeform: this is instructive example of what i was speaking of earlier.
asciilifeform: i was speaking of dpa.
asciilifeform: (e.g., i cannot know the rate at which mircea_popescu's reactor control card throws interrupts, or how many cpu core he has to handle them with, etc.)
mircea_popescu: i thought the ceiling was the code!
mircea_popescu: and if you do it in this manner, then yes, it is theoretically possible that i make your program run for longer than the specified interval
mircea_popescu: i must confess in all discussions of "time ceiling" i assumed clock-based cutoff not this hardcore "my asm runs in subspace" notion.
mircea_popescu: anyway, a device would be neat, but i'm persuaded it won't be the first thing.
mircea_popescu: even if written in straight asm, i doubt the time ceiling can be guaranteed in this manner
mircea_popescu: and ARE STILL leaking bits, i measure your error rate now.
mircea_popescu: suppose i can get a process to overrun the time ceiling.
mircea_popescu: not that i'm against it. but it does not get classified as solution
a111: Logged on 2016-08-26 16:06 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-26#1529659 << and timing attacks, of course. of all numerous kinds - suppose as a banal example that what i want to do is discern whether key X is yours or his. well, a simple solution would be to add a third i know is not involved, send the same thing to all three, and see which of the susperct two behaves like the third.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-26#1529877 << timing can be 'ceilinged' and it solves problem. but i am still chewing on the problem of enemy being able to determine who is speaking to whom by deriving the public keys. (this is trivial with rsa, and i've been working on answering the q of whether is is also true for c-s) ☝︎☟︎
asciilifeform: why am i reading a chronicle of some dude cleaning his fridge, BingoBoingo ?
mircea_popescu: it does promise to be a complete solution for its limited domain, i'll give you that.
phf: right timing attacks with gpg as backend i get. i assumed that attacker being able to discover topology is a given (with spec as written)
a111: Logged on 2016-08-26 13:41 asciilifeform: (and i will point out that i started on my concept long before mircea_popescu wrote it.)
mircea_popescu: if - for instance, and do not reduce to merely this - 1 and 3 answer in 200ms and 2 answers in 600ms, i have my answer don't i.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-26#1529659 << and timing attacks, of course. of all numerous kinds - suppose as a banal example that what i want to do is discern whether key X is yours or his. well, a simple solution would be to add a third i know is not involved, send the same thing to all three, and see which of the susperct two behaves like the third. ☝︎☟︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2016-08-26 13:04 phf: i don't think there's a solution to drowned in sibyl's in general. there's a cost to validating counterparty (which is continuous in case of gossipd, there's no "validate the ip, and then trust it" which is what i mean by "no trust in ip"), which can be exploited by attacker.
mircea_popescu: everyting "can be construed as trust" if one has this scalar notion of trust. "here is what body doing X thing reported its IP to be at the time it was doing the X thing" is a very different statement from "i expect to find my house at the corner of cunt street with shit creek"
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-26#1529634 << well i used the article in which you show an inclination to evanghelism ; rather than the other one. ☝︎
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2016/i-have-no-more-title-ideas-come-back-tomorrow/ << Trilema - I have no more title ideas. Come back tomorrow.
mircea_popescu: dude check out how smart i used to be in my youth.
asciilifeform: and where i go off to find some reference implementation of c-s, and discover, later, that none exists
asciilifeform: i did also, but quit 2wks in, in disgust
phf: i took cmsc414 with him
asciilifeform: phf: i reread that piece just a few days ago
mircea_popescu: phf no i know. my whole point was that it works as intended.
phf: mircea_popescu: it is part of grokking. simply to understand where chose-ciphertext comes in into the whole system, rather than just reddit the conversation. i think we just had a thread about it. i vaguelly suspect the result for an observer is going to be a smug conviction about words
mircea_popescu: how did it go, "part of groking" or somesuch. i read this recently!
a111: Logged on 2016-08-26 14:15 phf: particular transport. never the less when the conversation about current spec comes in you are eager to point out how spec is useless. it's a significant effort to drone you out long enough to actually attempt the implementation, and since in my experience attempting the implementation is a significant step in grokking, i think you repeating the same point over and over again actually lowers overall snr.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-26#1529722 << nothing i wrote ought to discourage folks from pissing on the electric fence. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: pretty good place to grow up i dun dispute.
mircea_popescu: "he was a romanian writer from vojvodina (a serb land) in the kingdom of hungary, part of the empire" sorta deal, i guess.
phf: well, i know that lautreamont didn't consider maldoror his serious novel (he died young though, so i think it was his only output, plus some poetry) and it was explicitly inspired by .. romantic literature of the time. considering how over the top nihilist it is, i assumed that it was a joke
mircea_popescu: ok now i gotta check this
mircea_popescu: i dunno, wasn't the guy from like argentina ?
phf: but but i didn't mean gothic straight here, i think that maldoror specifically is already a parody
phf: oh ffs, you are right it is a wikipedism, since i was convinced that it was gothic genre in su school also
mircea_popescu: no i shall insist, because it's fucking annoying. buncha losers. so what, walpole thinks it's ok to tongue in cheek "a gothic novel" ? at the time the word had a meaning, and yes it is a certain forlorn grandiosity et all.