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asciilifeform: funnily enuff asciilifeform was just recently describing to pet , how mircea_popescu's pesticide worx, and finally clicked when i 'recall cell culture ? when yer growing eukaryotes, you add antibiotic, or guess what dish will be full of next day' ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2019-02-20 16:37 mircea_popescu: actually when Mocky_ is done with qatar history, maybe he regales us with a summarized java history ~from inside~ on his blog.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-20 16:26 mircea_popescu: THAT is what it hinges on.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i also ignored. but imho it's an interesting entomological case.
mircea_popescu: actually when Mocky_ is done with qatar history, maybe he regales us with a summarized java history ~from inside~ on his blog. ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-11-30 04:53 mircea_popescu: !!rate zx2c4 -1 moron
a111: Logged on 2019-02-05 07:29 mircea_popescu: !!rate verisimilitude -1 children, seen and not heard.
asciilifeform: or gabriel_laddel, who thought that linux kernel is an acceptable item to build the '256kB' out of, through power of magical thinking
a111: Logged on 2019-02-20 15:43 mircea_popescu: whether that can be remedied in a group or not remains, i suppose, to be seen.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-17 16:10 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i very much don't expect you want the prb 12 that is emacs. rewrite yes ? :D
a111: Logged on 2019-02-17 15:12 mircea_popescu: well, either that or they o(N) + n log n for some values of N, n.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-17 14:49 mircea_popescu: see, engineers are worse than whores. a whore might pretend like she's not working, but an engineer does inept shit like "/* This should optimize out, but it is wise to make sure this assumption is correct. Should these have different sizes, we cannot cast between them and the overlaying onto ERRATIC will not work. */" so as to ~pretend~ like he doesn't see WHY exactly he wants to take that code out. seriously, ooga-booga-bu
a111: Logged on 2019-02-17 15:22 mircea_popescu: holy shit, EVERY SINGLE THING. look here :
a111: Logged on 2019-02-17 23:24 mircea_popescu: actually ada not having a backend can (and probably will) hide all sorta surprises.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-20 04:54 mircea_popescu: "as a language, it requires you to specify in great detail what you do not know in order to obtain the experience necessary to learn it."
asciilifeform: guten morgen mircea_popescu
a111: 2018-12-10 <ben_vulpes> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-16#1835094 << i did not know that statically-compiled mysql was solved; is it?
mircea_popescu: !#seen ben_vulpes
a111: Logged on 2019-02-12 15:39 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i associate shitoverflow with articles like 'how do i cast 'fireball' in real life?' ( actual find )
asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/misc/xray/dead_samsung_35kv_100s.jpg << to complete yest. thrd : the least rubbishy shot of the dead samsung. steel shell prolly calls for a scintillator screen , and large film, to actually get decent shot. but even here usbistic contacts sorta visible.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-19 04:56 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nice! pic is quite crisp huh.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-18 08:56 diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-18#1897858 -> ah, so broken links were only in the older versions? anyway: ave1 please do me a favour and point any fetch/download scripts to a mirror of the stuff on your own website, there is no way around this. For one thing I'd much rather download from a republican site and for the other as experience has already amply shown, any external site WILL move them, change them, drop them and it will at best br
ave1: diana_coman: re, http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-18#1897863, will do, It's about 100mb total I see. ☝︎
trinque: howdy mircea_popescu
BingoBoingo: Also tonight I saw the good bum mentioned http://bingology.net/2018/12/24/preparations-for-the-second-navidad-in-uruguay/#footnote_1_2160 ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2019-02-17 15:50 mircea_popescu: some time to look at things and consider matters will be needed ; but i specifically want to hear something from asciilifeform ave1 bvt diana_coman phf spyked trinque
a111: Logged on 2019-02-14 19:06 diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-14#1896356 -> this finished: the signature still does not verify; trinque let me know if you want to see the result of this run too
a111: Logged on 2019-02-14 07:45 mircea_popescu: trinque let me know how close i got.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: apu is something rather like a x64 rk.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: apu wins substantially on 1 score -- it can eat ~3~ msata ssd's
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'd still like to see the arm64 wtf resolved
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: ty, will take a look shortly, 1st would like to macroexpand mircea_popescu's point
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: plox to make use of mircea_popescu's suggested, in log, leads for the hunt, but do not limit to it
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo mircea_popescu has point : are you gonna produce a list of spammees, or just what is it you have hands full with, and asciilifeform has to dredge the net with own hands and halt all other work ?
asciilifeform: looking in the log, iirc diana_coman had same issue, & cured
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it aint built yet, so cannot yet say 'it links'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this run is a test of bvt's 'kill weaksymbol-ism' pill
asciilifeform: ( the fact that diana_coman's built in ~1h, suggests that i broke my local config there )
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-17#1897404 << -- >> https://ro.wikisource.org/wiki/O_inven%C8%9Bie_mare ☝︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: potentially retargetable. but currently nfi if this is a useful shortcut to 'bake a backend'
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> i'm still curious what mircea_popescu thinks of as 'ada machine' << 128 bit MIPS 1, 2, 8, or 72 cores at 800, 1600, or 3200 mhz when purpose backed. Otherwise 128 bit for the UCI address space.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the other major chunk of c, is of course the gcc backend.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu did say.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: thinking about it, kernel is really the starting point for 'get c the hell off the box' -- the e.g. 20% of gnat's standard lib that's in c, is in c strictly cuz of reason illustrate in http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=udp , i.e. that kernel api doesn't eat sane (e.g. bounded array) parameters, demands liquishit c-istic buffers
asciilifeform: i'm still curious what mircea_popescu thinks of as 'ada machine'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: by far biggest 'layer of c' is : the kernel.
a111: Logged on 2012-09-16 00:43 mircea_popescu: this is how we educate kids in europe
a111: Logged on 2012-09-16 00:43 Bane_Capital: mircea_popescu: Well, I wish people would educate me instead of just beating on me.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-17 17:37 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: plox to expand re http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-17#1897758
asciilifeform: concretely -- on sane iron, cpu do not share memory, but instead implement exactly diana_coman's work-queue mechanism.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-17 17:16 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-17#1897750 << tested nothing. fixed, gotta be ada not c.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: plox to expand re http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-17#1897758 ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2019-02-17 16:10 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform still gotta build the ada environment ~with something~.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: the 1 use case i can picture for zcx, is on ultracompact irons. but even there, really, are we gonna use a http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-12#1895612 somewhere ?! ☝︎
asciilifeform: diana_coman: if it aint a seekrit: didja ever try building client on musl ?
asciilifeform: diana_coman gets the trooly hard nuts to crack ( which is why retained by s.mg for coin , neh )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: fix of sjlj on arm64 is actually moar urgent than arm-cuntoo, cuz sanely build ( static-musl ) ~will~ run on glibcistic linux
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: entirely. see 2d ago thrd.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: the caveat is that i still dunhave a working cuntoo for all asciilifeform-operated irons; e.g. rk is still running barbaric old glibc gentoo
mircea_popescu: diana_coman looks like it's going the way of cuntoo-ada-musl, no glibc.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: cuntoo is arguably a realtime test lab for 'what does removing glibc from ~errything~ cost'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ... nor is this the only instance of this kinda thing. consider e.g. https://archive.is/MxPlA#selection-14.407-2653.3
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: near as i can tell , zcx is a http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-17#1897558 , it attempts to implement multiprocess on ~all~ machines, incl. ones that dun have any support for interrupts (e.g http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-12#1895612 ) ☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-02-17 14:14 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform one of the larger, more impressive books in my parents' library was "welt der kunst". i couldn't read german, but mom explained it's "the world of art" so it populated my childish immagination for a full decade, until old enough to read it. by that time it disappointed -- not that anything could have lived to heights a kid might build in mind over years.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: until diana_coman's test battery, i never even attempted to use the tasking system.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this was a ~3 month thread
a111: Logged on 2015-04-06 18:19 mircea_popescu: what's now needed is an expert computer engineer willing and able to take over maintenance of libnss, starting with fixing it so it allows proper static linking.
a111: Logged on 2015-04-29 16:41 mircea_popescu: you can't go "oh i don't use libnss anyway". you probably are.
asciilifeform: it was subj of mircea_popescu's letter to rms, and the associated lulz
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: we did. recall the 'nss' incident.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: imho the near-term thing to do is for bvt to get the gcc5sim, glibcism, out of his test setup. then can proceed to fix bugs that we actually have in the house, rather than liquishit that only afflicts glibctards.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-19 17:47 mircea_popescu: but anyway : NO NEW WORK ON SHA PLOX. USE KECCAK.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the diana_coman-bin we disasmed yesterday , is musltronic.
mircea_popescu: some time to look at things and consider matters will be needed ; but i specifically want to hear something from asciilifeform ave1 bvt diana_coman phf spyked trinque ☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it already worx , afaik, on musl, ave1's gnat shits out strictly musl-static linkage. ☟︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'm sitting in something quite resembling such chamber as we speak.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the real q is , what subset of the claimed extant functionality adds up to a programming environment.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'house explodes when i turn on the hydrogen faucet' 'why do you have a hydrogen faucet ?'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: unless i misread bvt's piece, the bugola is only triggered when tasks are permitted to terminate.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if it were asciilifeform's proggy, asciilifeform would http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-12#1895596 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2012-09-16 01:12 mircea_popescu: Diablo-D3 because by now not that many people can be bothered to invite him anywhere.
a111: Logged on 2012-09-16 01:03 mircea_popescu: dude stop faking it, seriously. you, taaki and his sister showed up. nobody cares, fo reals.
a111: Logged on 2012-09-16 01:14 mircea_popescu: no.
asciilifeform: ( naturally if you aint one of'em, can ask until the cows come home. recall mircea_popescu's letter to rms ? )
asciilifeform: i.e. mircea_popescu actually knows that it dun need a deep fryer cuz wtf , it cannot be spontaneously filled with mcd eaters
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: yer kitchen is a closed system , in the http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-17#1897470 sense ☝︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: applicable to all cases where gnarly 'optimized for typical, and we think we know what is typical'
a111: Logged on 2015-04-29 13:25 mircea_popescu: "Put another way, grep sells out its worst case (lots of partial matches) to make the best case (few partial matches) go faster. How treacherous! As this realization dawns on me, the room seemed to grow dim and slip sideways. I look up at the Ultimate Unix Geek, spinning slowly in his padded chair, and I hear his cackle "old age and treachery...", and in his flickering CRT there is a face reflected, but it's my ex girl
a111: Logged on 2019-02-17 14:10 mircea_popescu: now in other lulz, check this out : http://archive.is/89adR#selection-9.9948-9.10055 "This is a special mix of insertion sort and heap sort, optimized for the data sets that actually occur."
a111: Logged on 2019-02-17 14:45 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't fucking get it, just HOW FUCKING MANY symbols are they dealing with here ? by the sheer desperation screaming out of the code you'd think a compile produces at least 5 trillion of them.
asciilifeform: i thought mircea_popescu posed q of 'how many symbols on machine'.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: rright, but that's ~per build~, and ea. build destroys symbols ( in the sense that they got statically pumped into the bin, and no longer 'exported' )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you gotta read the gnu malloc sores sometime. very similar 'thinking'.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: c linking is simply automated cut&paste.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman myeah. i guess it'd take a patch on gcc, which is too much hassle atm.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, I'm not aware of anything that actually does that reliably
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: afaik in diana_coman's case it is trivial, cuz static link.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman is there some way to count the linker objects next time you compile say eulora ?
asciilifeform: iirc diana_coman already did some time in that joint , when walked koch's thing
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: cocks have at least something resembling a bound parameter.