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asciilifeform: afaik it was the very last.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform iirc that's the last one where it can even be claimed to be a thing, afterwards moved to being skin on chrome.
asciilifeform: so yes you could run it. tho on x86/amd64 strictly, naturally, afaik there was never a build for arm etc
mircea_popescu: here included by reference, the "acid3 test" lulz etc. who even remembers 2007 anymoar.
mircea_popescu: afaik they were, even as far as the 10.x series ; but this i've never put to the cuntoo test.
asciilifeform: commercial/closed binariolade 'for linux' will not run on cuntoo unless it was built statically, but prolly erryone realizes this.
asciilifeform: ( i assumed mircea_popescu was speaking of ye olde norwegian ministry of telecom or wherever 1MB closed x86 opera, rather than the 'modern' abortion )
asciilifeform: if not -- then guaranteed bomb
asciilifeform: i meant 'any'. afaik the only remaining graphical www thing that builds even on asciilifeform's ban-flagged gentoo ( not even speaking of musl ) is old firefox.
mircea_popescu: i've conducted a review of extant browsers ; outside of opera ~none work worth a shit ; and in the lulziest of manners, eg, firefox 45 crashes about 4.5 times more frequently than firefox 10. and so on.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-15 16:18 mircea_popescu: right, but this is mine.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-12 11:18 asciilifeform: trinque's gcc, btw, is exactly as was printed on the crate, x86_64-gentoo-linux-musl 4.9.4
mircea_popescu: re http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-12#1833740 the above http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-15#1834793 is 4.4.3 ☝︎☝︎
asciilifeform: will be interesting to put cuntoo on box with vga card and see if, for instance, any www browser can be made to run.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: kernel mods dun use userland libc, so this should in principle not be affected by muslism
asciilifeform: plain x oughta suffice, for this.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform just as long as i can still use cuntoo to show cunts their cunts too!
asciilifeform: i can't picture anybody shedding a tear for gtk/kde/etc ☟︎
mircea_popescu: but should probably try X at some point i guess.
mircea_popescu: anyway, i expect neither gtk nor kde work, and i expect contrary to postgresetc discussion above, nobody likes any of 'em even vaguely enough to import.
asciilifeform: [insert oblig emacs thread here]
a111: Logged on 2018-07-15 15:45 trinque: musl will "break" where it refused to implement glibc feature-creep outside the posix libc standard. it's a stricter implementation.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-15#1834764 << trinque do you have a list of items you observed to be broken under musl ? or is this still in the works ☝︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: right, but this is mine. ☟︎
asciilifeform: well they're both 'vintage 4.x'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: btw were you building with trinque's gcc or with ave1 's ?
mircea_popescu: so strike all that.
mircea_popescu: anyway, it turns out the lib built ~is~ 64 bit, contrary to my assumption that error messages are useful.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-15 16:01 mircea_popescu: and apropos of nothing/everything : " Magic: 7f 45 4c 46 02 01 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 " << this fucking annoys me.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-15#1834774 << where was this ? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-07-15 15:45 trinque: musl will "break" where it refused to implement glibc feature-creep outside the posix libc standard. it's a stricter implementation.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-15#1834764 << oh hm trinque already tried postgres ? it barfed ? where ? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-07-15 15:59 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-15#1834748 << trb node is one of the few items that ~can't~ be backed up in the usual sense. because what you get if you just blindly copy is a shitup not a backup.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-15#1834771 << from ~cold~ node it backs up as well as anything else . point was that i can't think of any good reason to do it that way, nodes ( correctly-built, i.e. with aggression ) are self-replicating reasonably quickly ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-07-15 15:42 mircea_popescu: if anyone has serious issues with this better get a portage candidate up asap so it can be imported when cuntoo comes, because otherwise it's as dead as the woodchipped people.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-15#1834762 << when i get own cuntoo test machine up, will test postgres also ( phuctor is currently baked on postgres, though in principle it would also work on mysql etc., simply never yet tried ) ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-07-15 15:38 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform check this out : i got a bundle which compiles to 64 bits except one lib, which compiles to 32 bit and then i get " wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS32 Program exited with code 0177". the configure for it manages to ignore both enable-lib64 --disable-lib32 and CFLAGS=-m64 CXXFLAGS=-m64 LDFLAGS=-m64 sets of flags. you ever heard of such ?!
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-15#1834755 << pretty interesting -- what proggy was this ? ☝︎
deedbot: http://trinque.org/2018/07/15/deedbot-wallet-on-chain-operations-resumed/ << trinque - Deedbot wallet on-chain operations resumed
mircea_popescu: and apropos of nothing/everything : " Magic: 7f 45 4c 46 02 01 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 " << this fucking annoys me. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: bitcoin is not "blockchain technologies" shitheadery, it's precisely ~adnotated data~, lisp style. there's no meaning to it outside of context.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-15 14:56 asciilifeform: and whole concept of 'backing up trb' strikes me as wrongheaded -- the most effective backup is simply a 2nd node.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-15#1834748 << trb node is one of the few items that ~can't~ be backed up in the usual sense. because what you get if you just blindly copy is a shitup not a backup. ☝︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: great way to get whacked.
trinque: to take a specific example, my mention of musl distros isn't an excuse for anyone to blindly pilfer patches and then sign because "built!!"
trinque: 100% agree, and appreciate the underscoring of it. no "hobbyist approach" will work.
mircea_popescu: trinque im not saying it's impossible, by any means ; but it'll have to be either done or not done, there's no "i'm not waht i do i'm what i dream". like a wedding, "anyone wanting postgres/whatever speak now or stfu fe&e"
diana_coman: trinque, cheers! glad it wasn't worse there really (will see for the rest :D )
trinque: some of this work won't have to be done completely ab initio; there are musltronic distros out there that can at least act as source material for research, alpine and void linux for example.
trinque: musl will "break" where it refused to implement glibc feature-creep outside the posix libc standard. it's a stricter implementation. ☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: if anyone has serious issues with this better get a portage candidate up asap so it can be imported when cuntoo comes, because otherwise it's as dead as the woodchipped people. ☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: anyway, fwiw : mysql existing as gnat/cuntoo item (combined with its deployment in mp-wp, eulora etc) pretty much guarantees by now that tmsr db will be mysql derivative.
trinque: indeed, glad to see she got right through
mircea_popescu: usualyl when you end up going into codepile to ablate idiocy you discover the broken glass
mircea_popescu: i can't tell you just how fucking thrilled we are it was actually approachable in this level.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-14 15:09 diana_coman: ftr screen also fails and I'd rather have it than not have it but it's not a eulora dep in itself
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-14#1834507 << read and enjoyed your porting process for mysql. this will be how things go. many items already have patched ebuilds in the musl-overlay, which your system is using atop traditional portage. some wont, and will need to be fixed. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform check this out : i got a bundle which compiles to 64 bits except one lib, which compiles to 32 bit and then i get " wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS32 Program exited with code 0177". the configure for it manages to ignore both enable-lib64 --disable-lib32 and CFLAGS=-m64 CXXFLAGS=-m64 LDFLAGS=-m64 sets of flags. you ever heard of such ?! ☟︎
shinohai: Which is far better than starting from zero when hdd crashed that time and I lost whole thing xD
shinohai: asciilifeform my system is by no means perfect .... but yeah periodic stops, I only scheduled rsync for twice weekly to pogo, to minimize downtime. Never results in more than half-hour downtime.
asciilifeform: you can approximate the effect with dumpblock/eatblock.
asciilifeform: i.e. at ~max speed permitted by the disk writes.
asciilifeform: ( if we had the 'configurable checkpoints thing' discussed 2y ago, this would sync in 3 days or so )
asciilifeform: a new node plugged directly in ( i.e. over lan ) to a working trb node, with 'aggression' should sync in week or 2.
asciilifeform: and whole concept of 'backing up trb' strikes me as wrongheaded -- the most effective backup is simply a 2nd node. ☟︎
asciilifeform: shinohai: i've found that trb state can't be effectively backed up without stopping the node ( otherwise indices turn to barf . ) how do you do yours ? periodic stops ?
asciilifeform: nat is very much a 2edged sword, just 2 or 3 nat boxen with heavy use will saturate typical GB lan switch
shinohai: pogo also makes a handy local binhost, for those who don't wish to build the same 500 packages when trying new stuff on gentoo.
shinohai: nah, i made own setup after the arch linux install, just do a gentoo chroot once in to sort of unify my setup
asciilifeform: shinohai: speaking of www, yours seems to be down just nao ?
asciilifeform: shinohai: didja bake own nat thing for it, or used the vendor's shitware ?
shinohai: SO have entire trb chain backed up in case of failure ( also www, etc)
shinohai: Thankfully, pogo turned out to be great NAT device, I run a mech hdd in the dumb-as-bricks vertical hdd slot, and a samsung t3 portable ssd from the top usb connector.
asciilifeform: stupidly expensive, too, for what they do.
asciilifeform: shinohai: afaik these all use 'software' raid
shinohai: A friend of mine has one of those mediasonic mini raid boxes, i cant remember how many drives it holds.
asciilifeform: incidentally, a miniature raid (i.e. harness 4 cheapo hdd to 1 usb3 cable) would be a very useful thing. which afaik unfortunately does not exist.
shinohai has always used tmux, but did use screen for some time.
shinohai: Pretty much same as I always reported, usually stayed several "days" behind, this did not improve until I purchased samsung ssd about a year ago.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-15#1834717 << there's really not a substitute for 'screen' if you're leaving ~interactive~ cmd line processes in background (e.g. shells) , aha ☝︎
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-15#1834721 << for comparison -- what was it like prior to 'aggression' ? ☝︎
shinohai: When my rockchips arrive though, i guess i'll use one of my old rusty hdd's in one just for lulz, I have like 10 now.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-13 15:31 diana_coman: asciilifeform> shinohai: trying doesn't hurt. and iirc somebody actually got a mechanical-hdd node to stay synced more or less decently with aggression patch -> yes, I did
BingoBoingo: But yes, I am on location. My name is on the fiat side paperwork. The incentives are lined up. Make Uruguay, Great Again!
BingoBoingo: brb, time to go for a walk
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: I am inclined to take the gig
a111: Logged on 2018-07-14 00:13 lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-13#1834333 << I'll state for the record that I consider myself largely unqualified for the role (plus my hopper overfloweth atm)
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-14#1834346 <-- fwiw, I believe I'm also ill-equipped for this job. I'd only trust a spyked to get this right after he's delivered on at least a couple of self-directed projects, and even then... I need a wee bit more experience under my belt. on this note, /me finds http://trilema.com/2018/technology-and-governance/ to be a good reread. ☝︎
asciilifeform: re 'screen' -- funnily enuff for many yrs asciilifeform did not use it aside from as rs232 terminal a la 'kermit'; for the absolutely fucking vital item of 'leave my bg processes alone when i disconnect', used simply 'nohup', which comes with afaik errry unix since system5
asciilifeform tried it just nao, seems to work
mircea_popescu: this is bizarre enough, http://p.bvulpes.com/ still up, but if you try and paste anything it goes dead.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-14 15:09 diana_coman: ftr screen also fails and I'd rather have it than not have it but it's not a eulora dep in itself
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-14#1834459 << answer is no ; bitcoin is a shining example of yahoo usage of threading. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: diana_coman fucking hysterical, whole package dead because some 'my_print_stacktrace' function ? printing is the death of "open source".
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: the only marginally complicated thing about statements is tracking the customer equity line and invoicing for the month-to-month customers, i will hand over my notes and assist you should you take the gig
ben_vulpes: for instance (attn asciilifeform, mod6, BingoBoingo), while reviewing books with mod6 recently i realized that i calculated s.mg's lease cost from the machine purchased from s.nsa (which we got bare, no storage), and not from the cost of the machine stuffed full of disks.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-14 02:43 asciilifeform: imho BingoBoingo is ideal for the job.
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-14#1834420 << he is positioned to do a far better job than i have/can, and i believe that he will ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-06-21 23:47 mircea_popescu: leaving aside the quite obvious question of why would one even entertain a wanna-be bitcoin thing that's uppity enough to not be here in the first place.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-14 01:56 mircea_popescu: did the clickbank account ever stand up ? etc etc, i dunno how executing on the lenghty list of items in the log these pasts month could put one behind.