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mats: a peltier
teg looks ideal for
the parasitic relay power plant
☟︎ esthlos: btw, funny interaction in fiat world. dude: "so let me guess, you like lisp." esthlos: "wow, how did you get
that?" dude: "well, you're a differential geometer" esthlos: "wow, ok" dude: "so you must like excel
then" esthlos: "huh??" dude: "well, it's very similar
to lisp"
a111: Logged on 2018-07-16 17:50 mircea_popescu: AND
THEN SAY WHAT IT WAS ABOUT
mircea_popescu: for which reason i don't
think we're
to
take lightly
the author.
mircea_popescu: y" is not distinguishable from
the african monkeys it spent millenia distinguishing itself from, only
to eventually succumb. no more, and nothing else.
mircea_popescu: but still, i
think
the proper view of
the matter is in
the vein of how romans regarded
testaments. because really, every published anything's a will.
mircea_popescu: and so if some guy publishes some piece of software saying "and
this is
to be used on sundays only",
the proper decision before
the republican is "do i use it on sundays or do i not use it at all ?". none of
this bars discussion, "what
the fuck is wrong with you, reiser ?!" nor in extremis "fu, i'll use it when i use it", nor even "in my considered opinion your sunday's my wednesday" reinterpetation.
mircea_popescu: the codas antecessors put on
things are not
to be ignored wholesale. yes if
those antecessors are, esentially,
the
http://trilema.com/2011/oricine-poate-sa/ notion of "mula", ie indistinct biomass,
then whatever
they
thought
they said is incapable of meaning in
the first place. yet if
those antecessors are actual people with actual keys, what
they say is meaningful and
the meaning probably important.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-17 04:44 ave1: And
the whole
thing affirms
the power/status of
the Lords. I.E. when an author goes against a Lords wishes or AWOL it is
then in
the power of
that Lord
to contact another author and give him
the source etc.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-08 22:29 mircea_popescu: in other lulz : femen,
the "ukrainian" organisation is selling shit priced in dollars via 2checkout.com,
the columbus ohio us corp.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-17 21:10 BingoBoingo: And in local cardboard artwork unveilled before
tomorrow's independence day:
http://vivirsinmiedo.com.uy/ <<
The Uruguayos want a Gendarmie, More bodies in prisons, and Night Raids!!!
mircea_popescu: i always
thought
the 80s verbiage about "capitalism more adaptable" was a fucking riot.
mircea_popescu: so after 6 months of production
the decision was
taken not
to put anything in anymore.
mircea_popescu: trinque
to be genuine soviet, it was supposed
to have been stolen @factory.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-17 20:55 asciilifeform: consider how many 'insoluble' engineering problems vanish when you remove
the nonsensical 'must work for 8 billion meatsacks' condition.
trinque: this fits with my cartoon head-simulation of
the soviet era
mircea_popescu: or vice-versa, "here's your free plushie for
throwing
things at geese well, and a 0.03 bill for keeping
the lights on"
a111: Logged on 2018-07-17 03:01 mircea_popescu: it is however not
the customer's problem
that
the fair price point for borland whatever is 0.0006 except borland can';t chage
that because must be 9.95 or else visa monopoly
throws a fit.
mircea_popescu: now ~a portion of
that~ can very well be kicked back
to client authors, if nothing else
to cover
the significant effort of eg a complete reskining. which'd give
the player
the benefit of "do i want
to play
this game looking like high fantasy or scandalous nudity"
mircea_popescu: h where "your results pay for your ineptitude using
the platform as well as my costs providing it".
a111: Logged on 2018-07-17 17:13 lobbes:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-17#1835608 <<
this was a key piece I was missing as well. For some reason I
thought scheme was 'lock down production of binaries so as
to allow authors
to work out
their own pay-for-client mechanism.' Whole
thing makes way more sense
to me nao
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-17#1835611 << no ;
the idea is
that
there will be separation between objective costs of running (passed on
to
the client in
the shape of food necessities
to keep character alive -- starve it long enough and it dies) and
the implicitly risky nature of euloran activity. i don't want
to get into detail here, but i believe it's
the correct approach, allocation, rather
than
trying a pauschal approac
☝︎ mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well i suppose
this is basically
the
thing here -- a relaxation allowing specified mechanisms for a specified sort of "work in confidence"
to still count.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sure, which is why
the ~code author's option~. obviously one's well advised
to
think about
things.
mircea_popescu: the fact
that asciilifeform hasn't
to date read
the (published) eulora client source doesn't cost ~ asciilifeform ~ anything. it costs minigame something, presumably.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-17 16:04 asciilifeform: Mocky: i in fact do not have objection
to it either way, it is a stylistic decision for diana_coman & mircea_popescu , not mine
to make
mircea_popescu: anyways, yes, i guess
there's
that, yes. but i mean whom does it cost ?
the people owning
the code, not you.
mircea_popescu: lol i misread, "it costs for instance
that you don't want
to
travel with laptop."
mircea_popescu: hanbot "and
this portion of whale liver is ~really~ krill #5460985409865" "what is here meant by really ?"
hanbot: right, at what point is enemy
that manages a pass an enemy, etc.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-17 17:04 diana_coman:
the overall idea is
to pay authors of clients based on how much
their clients are actually used
mircea_popescu: in
the end, all living
things are only as alive as
their food filtering allows.
hanbot: anyway no, i don't see a way out of
the "problem".
hanbot: asciilifeform : possibly code is concrete enough an itam
to be perceived by previously blind enemies? if suddenly a gazillion diametrics/amstans/whoever, could get obnoxious
too.
mircea_popescu: hanbot fine, but
this is
the dilemma : either being in l1 is practically meaningless, in which case nobody cares if
they're in or out ; or else l1 is practically meaningful, in which case everybody cares whether
they're in or out and consequently some might care
to be in just
to be in,
to assuage
the self-knoweldge of inadequacy.
a111: Logged on 2015-11-16 21:01 ascii_field: would let you wander off
to wherever spies go when a war is over. You know why?' he said. 'No,' I said. 'Because you could never have served
the enemy as well as you served us,' he said. 'I realized
that almost all
the ideas
that I hold now,
that make me unashamed of anything I may have felt or done as a Nazi, came not from Hitler, not from Goebbels, not from Himmler — but from you.' He
took my hand. 'You alone kept m
mircea_popescu: "the house is either dirty or clean ; if dirty, it gets cleanned ; if clean, we watc htv". sure. but what's discussed here is
the mechanisms of cleanning, specifically, not
the general broad
theory of housekeep.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-16 15:44 mircea_popescu:
thoughts plox! (and i specifically want everyone
to say at least an ack, so let's page asciilifeform ave1 ben_vulpes BingoBoingo danielpbarron diana_coman hanbot lobbes mod6 phf spyked
trinque )
hanbot:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-16#1834927 << one
think i haven't seen mentioned yet is
that
this creates a potential security risk, inasmuch as
there'd be a real incentive for bad actors
to attempt working
their way into l1 solely
to gain access
to source code.
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2017-07-20 19:44 mircea_popescu: windows will either compete with
tmsr or go away. if it competes -- it becomes. if it goes away -- it becomes.
there is no choice and
there is no will.
mircea_popescu: there IS such a
thing as "you're
too fucking stupid and unread
to participate in
THIS class. go
take remedial deheadshittery 101."
a111: Logged on 2018-07-17 02:42 asciilifeform: 'they cloink a coupla with
the sledgehammer so as
to break down
the find into shards
the size
they can fit in a pocket, after which
they stick it on
their oxcart'
a111: Logged on 2018-07-18 00:17 mircea_popescu: so no, in
treating all comers equally
they PRODUCED
the problem. because if father is incapable of rejecting you
there's exactly 0 incentive
to anything but gabriel_laddelize/adlai/kanzure/etc all fucking day long.
mircea_popescu: basically you read words and expect
they mean imperial meanings. but
they fucking don't.
mircea_popescu: even windows has
terminal ; even
there something like hash file exists.
mircea_popescu: if it operates but poorly i suppose
the argument could be brought mocky's good reputation is being stained ; however it's so damned easy
to check.
mircea_popescu: i suppose at
the furthermost it could result in 1. luser installing
that ; 2. luser being displeased with shitclient performance ; 3. luser whining at mocky ; 4. mocky asking him
to check his binary hash.
mircea_popescu: i suppose he could root
the box, but could have done
that way
the fuck easier
than all
this complex dance.
mircea_popescu: i mean... so mocky makes a client, i see his client works, i allocate his binaries signatures, and now evilmocky does what ? doesn't follow server comms spec ? can't connect. is smart enough
to follow
them, and puts
the work in ? can connect, server will report expected hashes. does he distribute
this
thing, so user can see
the hash of his program and
the hash
the program
tells
the server don't match ? suppose he does. what n
a111: Logged on 2018-07-17 13:38 asciilifeform: asciilifeform's perspective is prolly coloured by his having been paid
to both make and break such 'protections' in
the saeculum many
times.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-18 00:10 mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-17#1835536 << such a fucking injun. how, just HOW does one get so fucking stupid. "jwz" amirite, "he only wanted
to".
this existence is
too burdensome for
the likes of special cunthead.
mircea_popescu: right, because why am i paying
the same % whether i wrote a hello world on
top of
their allegro or an ai.
mircea_popescu: so
then what
the fuck meaning could
the pricing possibly fucking have.
mircea_popescu: "well it's a different price if you intend
to give her half your assets
towards
the end of your productive life or if you intend
to make her salami"
mircea_popescu: yes, but
the ~product~ is not specified. if you go
to supermarket and buy something, you buy ~the specified something~. it's not an issue of whether "property is specified" in
the general sense.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-18 00:05 mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-17#1835530 << i
think it's a very stupid idea, and i don't mean
this mildly, but stupid in a superlative way, because what is contemplated is a ~fixed price~ for an ~unspecified product~.
this is EXACTLY like sootheby's selling "auction win
tickets" whereby you get
to win "any one auction". it;s like
trying
to implement lemon markets where
they don't naturally exist, and it screams deep misunder