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mircea_popescu: my grandmother told me this joke when i was 5 or so. i had forgotten it ; but then i met america, and hence i can't get it out of my mind.
mircea_popescu: truck stops in insane asylum courtyard, the locals are drafted to help unloading. happily they proceed : three get up on the bed on the left side, throw things to people down, who pass it hand-by-hand to the people on the right side, who build it right up. "merge treaba ?" "merge!!!11"
asciilifeform: funnily enuff , stalin by all appearances realized that he's working with defectives, went through 3 rounds of killing off the left half of his staff , evidently needed 4th, 5th, but old age caught up.
mircea_popescu: you know the joke with the insane asylum residents loading a truck ?
mircea_popescu: kinda how the usg manages to produce nothing out of the shredding of whatever their share of rembrandts & eulers would be, in a population 20 times the size.
mircea_popescu: as that expression goes, "the smartest tools in the world aren't worth diddly squat when applied to a faulty premise"
mircea_popescu: this... i mean, sure, man's admirable. but what he sets himself to doing, is both driven by inept ideology and dysfunctional. heroic as he might be in the doing, the deed's ultimately fucking stupid.
mircea_popescu: anyway. socialist, see ? what "garbage collecting" ended up meaning for him was "how about we send a buncha caucasian farmboys to give berliner chicks a mn or so not-specifically-wanted new pregnancies. so they can all grow up "together" and sing lalala."
asciilifeform can't comment fully objectively, as he is muchly product of the 'wood trunk' , in 9000 ways.
asciilifeform: however personally i count it as lucky break that he left some romanians, heh.
mircea_popescu: stalin garbage collected nothing, which is how we have the wailing set of today's "germans".
asciilifeform: i seem to recall mircea_popescu speaking approvingly of e.g. tamerlane, garbage-collecting whole continent of defective civs
mircea_popescu: in short, seems to me a tad simplified, all this.
mircea_popescu: "what sort of foot is this, doesn't even crush 100 tons of wood trunks!!!"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well, it might crush whole of your left foot. would that impress greatly ?
mircea_popescu: "god damn it, wood is to have a future also!!11 it will be butter, it will be glass!"
mircea_popescu: "wouldn't it be cheaper to do it the normal way ?" "what then of all this wood ?" "i dunno, make tootpicks or something"
mircea_popescu: so if someone demonstrated how to produce handheld calculator out of 100 tons of oak trunks, you'd do anything besides shake your head ?
asciilifeform: dunno, last d00d who managed to make orcs perform to human spec, was peter. apparently they happen erry 300y or so.
mircea_popescu: the shoemaker's literal shoemaking skills, admirable as they might've been, fail to hold interest.
mircea_popescu: ok, but this is like holding djb in a lot of regard because mathematician. sure, certainly. yet still utter shithead when it comes to you know, living, or making sense of & in the world.
mircea_popescu: i'm talking of human beings here. obviously the scum is broken.
asciilifeform: or hey, consider the old shoemaker.
asciilifeform: it's a character flaw, property chumpatronics has very little to do with it i suspect
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha, i wasn't surprised when d00d confessed. ( tho admittedly 'under the heel' d00dz existed in the past, and even orcistan, e.g. saharov )
mircea_popescu: a sickening display, especially when they pretend this has something to do with "civilisation". it eminently does not, castration is not medicine and cuckoldry is not civilisation.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform was pretty evident. the end result of the societal changes driven by the roosevelt-socialist government (aptly summarized as "female is the only legitimate owner of property") is that 2nd generation consists of these innefectual males bound to the great mother through the simple fact that well, she owns the hut.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-18 02:24 mircea_popescu: not just the art. wesnoth thing is fine example. apparently someone's idea of "fun" and "playing" is... click through list in cycles.
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in noose re olds , http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-18#1699874 >> https://archive.is/JU7ai << 'arbitrary code execution by exploiting a vulnerability within the Lua scripting language engine... ...can be exploited remotely...' ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-03-28 15:32 asciilifeform: lives, iirc, under the heel of his wife (i could be mistaken, but did get this impression from the 4-5 h we spent together)
a111: Logged on 2018-07-20 04:53 mircea_popescu: henpecking, that ever-so-improbable predictor of personal failure in males.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-20#1836591 << aah but the linked trilema piece doesn't even tell us about the d00d's henpecking . but luckily the l0gz do: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-03-28#1440752 ☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-07-20 07:23 deedbot: http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2018/07/logbot-multiple-channels-corrected-on-gentoo-tips-n-tricks-for-the-uninitiated/ << lobbesblog - logbot-multiple-channels-corrected on Gentoo: Tips n' Tricks for the Uninitiated
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-20#1836594 << pretty great. but reminded me , 'As such, I'm just going to provide a pointer to the Quicklisp installation page and leave it at that' << at some point 'quicklisp' will have to be cured. right nao it's an open-ended heathen hole. ☝︎
asciilifeform: spyked: very interesting -- did they bring back the use of ddt ?? ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-07-20 09:23 jurov: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-19#1836553 << asciilifeform we had this discussion and you barfed at the binary firmware which is still necessary, even for 10y old cards
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-20#1836595 << the vga bios ?? it's, what, 80kB, and runs on boot strictly, you can disasm it ( e.g. see that it dun install oddball smm handlers etc ) , problem is that the work ain't worth much for any 3d card known to me, because still demands multi-MB kernel bincrapola ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-07-19 16:54 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: here in mosquito hell, all i gotta do is to walk three metres out of front door to rubbish pin, and 5-6 welts
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-19#1836426 <-- funny. even bucharest, the shithole capital of nowhere in particular, with its swamp atmosphere, managed to get rid of the little bastards in the last decade. 20 yrs ago, very similar "mosquito hell". ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-07-19 19:25 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: reportedly 10yr vintage cards can be set up without binturd. ( asciilifeform not tried yet. )
jurov: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-19#1836553 << asciilifeform we had this discussion and you barfed at the binary firmware which is still necessary, even for 10y old cards ☝︎☟︎
deedbot: http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2018/07/logbot-multiple-channels-corrected-on-gentoo-tips-n-tricks-for-the-uninitiated/ << lobbesblog - logbot-multiple-channels-corrected on Gentoo: Tips n' Tricks for the Uninitiated ☟︎
ben_vulpes: esthlos: deedbot is right there, and a fine shared wallet
lobbes: esthlos: now this is very true; if you're going to trust your coin to a 3rd party, it may as well be someone in-wot. anyways, whenever you want to set up an account hop on over to #pizarro. I'm sure BingoBoingo or mod6 can get you started
mircea_popescu: henpecking, that ever-so-improbable predictor of personal failure in males. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: aaanbd for today's installment of "tales of faffing n' faffers", let's look to 2014! http://trilema.com/2014/an-inventory-of-a-prison/#selection-53.0-55.20
esthlos: lobbes: would be happy to. good incentive to get my minimal btc out of fractional reserve scambase
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/let-me-tell-you-how-bad-i-have-it/ << Trilema - Let me tell you how bad I have it
lobbes: esthlos, you ever consider pizarro shared hosting for your blog? over 99.8% uptime (math used to calculate uptime rate > http://archive.is/7hPmN#selection-1537.42-1539.18)
a111: Logged on 2018-07-19 17:00 asciilifeform: !Q later tell esthlos your www is down ?
esthlos: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-19#1836430 << fixed, thanks. linode restarted the thing ☝︎
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/07/san-francisco-mayor-overwhelmed-by-street-shitting-in-first-interview-after-taking-office/ << Qntra - San Francisco Mayor Overwhelmed By Street Shitting In First Interview After Taking Office
BingoBoingo: Hello alumno, who are you and what brings you around these parts?
asciilifeform: aa unsurprising then, iirc it doesn't actually ever let go of the crash dumps
mircea_popescu: because the debuggee keeps dying, which results in gdb apparently taking water.
asciilifeform: ( and can't resist to ask, what makes ya think it's gdb, and not the debuggee )
mircea_popescu: i can't be the first person to run gdb over multi-week stretches.
mircea_popescu: aaand apparently my gdb has a memory leak. what the fuck.
asciilifeform: crapple 'plz reboot for update!' is erry bit as infuriating the 9001st time as 1st.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-19 19:23 phf: tech. i'm (and ascii) on the other hand are fully imersed in the pain points, you kind of stop feeling them.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-19#1836545 << i can't say that i've 'stopped feeling'em', no. ☝︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i never got the on-die thermometer reader to work. possibly improved since.
asciilifeform: to be fair i can't rule out iron problem, in the case of my old card, i suspect it did not like 24/7 duty cycle
mircea_popescu: actually i'd say they're a standard sui generis, "if you're going to distribute binaries, at least do them as well as nvidia"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anyway, if it makes you feel better, the nvidia binaries of late are absolutely rock solid, i never ever had a problem ; moreover they even fix shitty apt-get messes.
asciilifeform: iirc the breaking point for me was screen rotation, if i can't get 90degree displays i throw card out
mircea_popescu: yeh, i do not believe it to be an impossible task.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: reportedly 10yr vintage cards can be set up without binturd. ( asciilifeform not tried yet. ) ☟︎
mircea_popescu: ie, the video card problem is mostly solved, large stocks exist, getting some chips pried open would be useful.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the thing is the death of moore bit them in the ass too. i am very happy with 10year old cards as it is. and even when i buy "new", i buy old ones.
mircea_popescu: after all, industrialized intolerance is how i made my living, back in the day.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc we had a thread re this ; the gnarl is roughly similar to xilinx reversing ( they switch chip revisions erry quarter or so, by the time a card is ~acceptably reversed , it is long out of print )
mircea_popescu: but as you were typing that, i was thinking "We fucking need an expert gfx card wizard to debinary that shit already"
asciilifeform: iirc i tried even this, some yrs back, got a box that bombs randomly erry hr or so
phf: tech. i'm (and ascii) on the other hand are fully imersed in the pain points, you kind of stop feeling them. ☟︎
phf: first time i spent two months in india, swiming and eating and pretty much nothing else, i had to perform some very minor operation for the banking contract i was doing at the time: took me an entire day just to get through a 5 minute process, and i cursed and hated the entire time, because the steps were pointless, unnatural, and clearly designed to inflict pain on the operator. i suspect this is how mp feels when dealing with modern
mircea_popescu: i cheat ; as per alf "is a toilet" magics, i just use nvidia's binaries.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-19 19:17 mircea_popescu: for contrast, i recently wasted an entire fucking day with the following bit of gymnastics : http://logs.minigame.biz/2018-07-15.log.html#t20:35:50
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-19#1836529 << ftr i haven't in many yrs succeeded in getting 3d gpu running on linux box, so mircea_popescu is ahead of me there ☝︎
asciilifeform: it would not occur to asciilifeform to attempt to live civilized life on a crapple.
asciilifeform: i operate these, it's how i eat.
mircea_popescu: i'll note that everthying the republicans deliver builds like a fucking charm, be it ffa, avetronics or what have you. i've never had a problem of this sort inside the walls.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-19 19:10 mircea_popescu: for that matter, apple wants to take advantage of tmsr-style release, let them get in l1. but even before that, it's so shocking to me alf would accept a binary from "bintray.com" as some sort of item.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-19#1836521 << how does it differ from 'accepting' crapple's os, full of binary ???, to begin with. box is a toilet. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: i do not pose as expert gymnast in any sense ; and yes this caliber turd is somewhat common in unixworld altogether. but still, holy hell, fucking gymnastics.
phf: correct, though now, dealing with say gentoo i suspect that olympic gymnastics are a requirement to deal with the mess in general.
lobbesbot: Logged on 2018-07-15 20:35:50: <mircea_popescu> so the problem consisted of my running through the whole list of http://www.eulorum.org/Ubuntu requisite packages list. libgl1-mesa-dev (which ... isn't even fucking needed, i am now running eulora without it) fucked my video drivers (in a strange halfway manner, prolly fucked some userland wrapper somewhere). reinstalling the nvidia originals fixed it.
mircea_popescu: for contrast, i recently wasted an entire fucking day with the following bit of gymnastics : http://logs.minigame.biz/2018-07-15.log.html#t20:35:50 ☟︎
phf: i think an insignificant amount of time, ignoring compilation time, but then at the time i knew exactly where to cut, so to speak, and how
mircea_popescu: and two years ago, how long did it take you to get the wheels to spin ?
phf: i haven't, i haven't built it in about 2 years, but then i haven't installed it on macs in about two years either
mircea_popescu: (none of this is spurious dicking about, either. we're going to end up needing both some sort of standard of ok-ness on one hand ; and specifically in the case of X it's like, the one looming mysql-esque cuntoo wrecker)
mircea_popescu: ok, but specifically x is exactly the mess of improbable libraries etc. have you pkgsrc'd it recently anywhere ?
phf: mircea_popescu: on mac you can use e.g. pkgsrc which is a portable portage from netbsd project, which i have on all my machines. posix things of arbitrary complexity build from it
mircea_popescu: for that matter, apple wants to take advantage of tmsr-style release, let them get in l1. but even before that, it's so shocking to me alf would accept a binary from "bintray.com" as some sort of item. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: but, again, there's no room for this "on windows, we use autoupdate", "on mac we distribute binaries", "in india we shit in the street" w/e. hence the girl old ipad comment.
mircea_popescu: i expect there is, yes.
phf: macports or homebrew which are portage versions for apple. at least macports can still be used to build xquartz from scratch. i've not personally tried that in a long time, so it's possible that there's serious wrecker situation there. ☟︎
phf: mircea_popescu: the upstream X is already a mess of libraries, substantial gymnastics are required to build it on any system without assistance of something like gentoo's portage. in case of apple things are typically distributed as a binary, which is what i linked above. xquartz.org also has the sources, that are patched versions of original freedesktop code. one could theoretically build that by hand, but typically one would use
mircea_popescu: i read "substantial gymnastics" in the sense of, needed to c) above.