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asciilifeform: ( no prizes for guessing why holyshit.png doesn't appear in the orig 'serpent' paper, or the mountain of 'analysis' ... ) ☟︎
diana_coman: I don't have any array concatenation, no
asciilifeform: and you dun have to hardcoad it; simply replace Output(X, Y) := Rotate_Left(Input(X,Y), ( (T+1)*(T+2)/2) mod Z_Length); with Output(X, Y) := Rotate_Left(Input(X,Y), ( (T+1)*(T+2)/2) and (2**Keccak_L - 1));
asciilifeform: if it can't, you can narrow the type and be rid of the implicit 'is-div0?' check ☟︎
asciilifeform: if somehow FG were to catch on with the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-26#1866428 crowd, the situation will not differ so much from the current : coupla 100 people will have the genuine article, and 9,999,999 sad folx will have physically-similar item made in hong kong to washington's specs. and i couldn't do a thing about it. ☝︎
asciilifeform: ( and no, you can't buy remanence-free sram, afaik, off-the-shelf, i devised it and it is published only in the l0gz.)
Mocky: wouldn't that require sync'd clock cycles?
asciilifeform: i.e., ic that when paired with another of its kind, and rng, saves internally the pad; but won't simply disgorge it unless in a synchronous link with the item it was synced with, as described in the algo.
mod6: mircea_popescu: ah, thanks. interesting that the pressed READMEs before it didn't choke.
mod6: Ok, nevermind, they don't seem to be. But I just simply pressed the genesis and it barfed on a README file:
diana_coman: asciilifeform, fwiw this code is actually so nice to read; and no, I don't see any trouble with it nor anything that doesn't make sense (I did have to search for some of the lisp routines but that's just my lack of lisp-fu and it was easy enough to find out what they do more clearly)
mircea_popescu: i didn't, i'm just fucking about.
asciilifeform: btw, BingoBoingo , re waaay upstack -- trb 'throws bastards' from the simple reason that it doesn't keep track of peer heights, and ~always~ retransmits any block that it gets and happily welds to longchain
a111: Logged on 2018-10-23 22:46 asciilifeform: i suspected shitfork, when realized that the 501 blox gotta be a few kB most, ea. -- my pipe couldn't disgorge 501 human-sized blox in <2sec
asciilifeform: for thread-completeness, asciilifeform will mention that he does not believe that ecc, as seen in bitcoin, is necessarily strong -- if there's a break, we won't hear of it unless somebody is catastrophically stupid -- it is analogous to those old safes that included 10 pounds of thermite for erry pound of benjie, torch it and you lose whole thing
asciilifeform: whereas if you don't throw them out, you have a reversible thing that is just multiplication, and i can gcd(p1,p2) == K.
mircea_popescu: the problem is irreducible, either you mix entropy in or you don't.
asciilifeform: it's the reason for asciilifeform's lulzsubmission to mircea_popescu's 'block contest'. it wasn't even joak, it was 'rsa is the only tool in that box that i have any reason to think actually worx'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform fuck me, NOW i understand what you were on about yest --- E aren't THE RESULTS, but merely THE LAST BIT of a result. consequently, not actually eq system.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, but uhm, isn't that precisely the example I give in the comment and which leads to the wrong value? this: but with the formula above it would be E(2)= P(2) xor 0*P(1) xor 1*P(2) xor 0*P(3) xor 1*P(4) = P(2) xor P(2) xor P(4) = 1 xor 1 xor 0 = 0 .
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asciilifeform: kinda how americanfootballists keep playing until their legs won't carry'em
asciilifeform: i aint an subj expert, but don't all cheap whores market as 'fresh' for as long as it is half-possible ?
asciilifeform: ( some folx 'want contribute', but mysteriously can't be arsed to actually load open problem into head )
a111: Logged on 2015-02-16 06:45 mircea_popescu: read one police report of crime x, you've read half of them. read ten, you've (practically) read them all. clinical psychology is only interesting to the patently insane, as a practice. otherwise all the notes say endlessly the same five or six things. there just aren't that many things to say.
a111: Logged on 2015-09-11 12:10 mircea_popescu: Blythe Masters says US lags in blockchain use (ft.com) / Over $60 million in funding raised for bitcoin companies this week alone. / bla bla << "To sum up : what we have so far are a few millions invested in hopeless start-ups that have no talent, no business model, aren't solving a problem and generally speaking don't exist other than as a tag on an orange calling it a potato." / http://trilema.com/2013/the-future-of-
asciilifeform: diana_coman: correct, i haven't found the item i was looking for, thus far
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-30#1867432 << thinking about it, yes i agree the jew-nazi has a more colorful life story. but think about it : his entire's life work, his sum total accomplishment, is being an aide to an obscure publisher of inconsequential tracts. this is exactly danielpbarron 's position, and it ain't much. that florida beauty queen had them beat, for instance, and she had them beat a) in her 20s, while these ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-10-29 22:56 diana_coman: basically I get http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-29#1867091 BUT can't yet follow it to http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-29#1867092 mainly because it seems to me that the effect of A is basically in fixing d,f,h (so that xor(a,d,f,h)=0); in short: wouldn't a change (of any number of bits) in a trigger (if imposing xor(a,d,f,h)=0 still) changes further in b-h so that the resulting key schedule is different? theoretically that would be the ration
diana_coman: asciilifeform, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-29#1867369 -> there's something I don't get here: if A xor D xor F xor H = 0 then this imposes F xor H = A xor D and so you'd need to substitute that everywhere else because F and H are not anymore free to be whatever or the initial a xor d xor f xor h won't hold anymore; more precisely: further down the line for instance at W(2) that F xor H is in fact A xor D so A does actually still appear, ☝︎
BingoBoingo: In still other anyways, where I am today I see the endgame where Pizarro survives to Profitability; I continue Qntra and other writing/social engineering, and gardening someting other than container chives while a republican colony settles down in this Martian hellscape wouldn't be a bad play.
BingoBoingo: This country is a god damned emotional see-saw and I don't know if I can quit it
BingoBoingo: It's the sort of monkey noises I can't escape
BingoBoingo: Anyways it is amaxing the things that can be had in Uruguay. The grow shops are sitting on piles of borosilicate glass and pointy pieces of titanium because the Uruguayos can't roll good joints and see no reasons to explore alternatives.
mod6: anyway, i guess thats not very redic. i just had it in my mind that a man comes in to buy shotgun. pays, leaves with shotgun. doesn't do very much good if it's still at the store when you need it.
mircea_popescu: now i can't even find it anymore. talk about fade-out.
BingoBoingo: I can't effectively read anything without having reread it first, and I can't write pieces over 300 words without needing to rewrite them.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo also weirdly i don't get your pingbacks
mircea_popescu: and don't be the sixth.
mircea_popescu: also i wouldn't give http://trilema.com/2016/and-they-wont-fucking-yield/#selection-67.90-67.101 & co obscure grupuscle any voice. freeze peach, really ? five morons talking about "things" "as if they were things" dun make "things" anything.
diana_coman: basically I get http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-29#1867091 BUT can't yet follow it to http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-29#1867092 mainly because it seems to me that the effect of A is basically in fixing d,f,h (so that xor(a,d,f,h)=0); in short: wouldn't a change (of any number of bits) in a trigger (if imposing xor(a,d,f,h)=0 still) changes further in b-h so that the resulting key schedule is different? theoretically that would be the ration ☝︎☝︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: on the other hand, entirely unclear to me why the fuck we're discussing some [evidently buggy/misimplemented] program or my own inept handcalculus. either we agree a system of n equations with n unknowns is determinate or we don't and that's the end of the matter.
mircea_popescu: i don't actually follow your proggy any ; regardless, the values it spits dun seem to agree with what i expect.
mircea_popescu: by now, covered all the possible combinations of 4 bits (ain't that many) -- but never fell on the mp.py 1010.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-29 19:39 asciilifeform: pretty handy proof , however, that the xor liquishit on the right hand side of those serpent eqs, doesn't conserve entropy !
mircea_popescu: as long as P doesn't have more bits than K, this is a determinate system.
mircea_popescu: now tell me, "why can't tv be more entertaining".
asciilifeform: pretty handy proof , however, that the xor liquishit on the right hand side of those serpent eqs, doesn't conserve entropy ! ☟︎
mircea_popescu: and no, "we have pre-padded ring buffers with THIS particular message that's worth hardwiring because it's ever so magical" ain't a reasoning.
mircea_popescu: isn't it ?!
asciilifeform: aite, won't distract then
asciilifeform: ( i certainly didn't expect ~this~ 3days in... )
asciilifeform: i can't speak for other folx, but i'ma have to repeat h. hughes, 'fly in it? i wouldn't walk under it'
asciilifeform: it also suggests a very different picture, vs the one i previously supposed, re why it didn't win the tourney. ( rather than washington:'omfg too strong', rather went 'omfg our academi.flunkies kissing arse so hard they cant breathe' )
asciilifeform: hey, it didn't click in asciilifeform's head either until asciilifeform went to fpgaize it..
mircea_popescu: the reason being that it wasn't gonna move till i baked it in some pie.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-29#1867088 << not controversial. can substract, though doesn't necessarily have to ; can never add. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-10-29 15:53 mircea_popescu: it is entropy* conserving, where entropy* is a special "entropy-colored-for-meaning", but this isn't useful.
asciilifeform: then it aint reversible if it can't turn the 5 back into a 4
mircea_popescu: can't throw in 5. the P set is 1,2,3,4.
mircea_popescu: it is entropy* conserving, where entropy* is a special "entropy-colored-for-meaning", but this isn't useful. ☟︎
asciilifeform: ( if sboxes were'nt reversible, deciphering wouldn't work )
asciilifeform: i.e. 85-bit strength, possibly smaller ( i haven't algebraicized the entire recurrence yet )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this isn't much of an argument, let alone "proof". + and * also conserve entropy, yet y=x/2 - x/2 +4 does not.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-29 00:44 mircea_popescu: anyway, the likely reason they don't publish scratchwork is that before republic, nobody had any fucking idea how to do intellectual work. q is a lot like asking "why would doctors not wash hands". because before someone told them to, they didn't, that's why.
BingoBoingo: We've documented our victories well, but when explaining to heathens why, collections of log links where the path to victory happens and is discussed often don't quite do it on their own
mircea_popescu: anyway, the likely reason they don't publish scratchwork is that before republic, nobody had any fucking idea how to do intellectual work. q is a lot like asking "why would doctors not wash hands". because before someone told them to, they didn't, that's why. ☟︎
asciilifeform: at this point i strongly suspect that there ~isn't~ a 'why', author pulled thing out of his arse like the others.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, except for manufactering, because Obama said you can't do that in US-istan. Hence Lenovo getting IBMThink and Global Foundries getting all of IBM's fab work
mircea_popescu: "wait, what do you mean we're just another spammer vying for your attention with all the others ?!?! but we don't tape papers to trees, we tape them to luggage insides!!! GOTTA COUNT FOR SOMETHING!"
mircea_popescu: women, right ? built themselves the femstate, magically don't understand why a) it dun work and b) nobody likes them still.
mircea_popescu: (yes, there is a do-not-disturb list, also, where they put people mostly for the above stated reason (it "wouldn't be fair" to put the inca elite on it, CORRUPTION!!!). as evidenced in these very logs, the process is just as trivially hackable as any other piece of imperial software -- asciilifeform gets the benefit of being a kronprinz without having as much as met this AllMother (and while bemoaning the whole time the unfai
a111: Logged on 2018-10-27 18:32 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, don't you remember this thing ? some dood went off deep end, that there's a cvasi-magical virus in his usb stick. cca 2015 vintage logs
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, don't you remember this thing ? some dood went off deep end, that there's a cvasi-magical virus in his usb stick. cca 2015 vintage logs ☟︎
asciilifeform: |\n: haven't seen, but if it actually worx, will be hilarious
mircea_popescu: i don't even think there's anything wrong whatsoever with studying the damned thing. my reservations were strictly around investing any kind of "this is te republic's encryptodisk" flag on it\
asciilifeform: i expect the sbox won't actually be the bottleneck in a full serpentron tho
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: observe also that the sbox mechanism is 'bitsliced' (i.e. the bits move only 'vertically' there ) so potentially it can be shrunk at expense of speed . so the real puzzler isn't 'does serpent fit', it can almost certainly be shoehorned, but 'with how little/much unrollage' i.e. what resulting eating bitrate.
diana_coman: asciilifeform, myeah, I don't claim I fully know everything that goes on in there and I quite doubt anybody does; and ftr yes, I'm not at all comfortable with the fact that I had to and have to sign it but... I have to, pretty much
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-26#1866643 - to detail this: technically speaking one CAN test top bit until it's 0 for the oaep block (hence for *sure* < modulus) but I don't think it's great mainly because: 1. this fixes one more bit 2. it's really a way bigger hammer than needed - it can start with 1 and be smaller than modulus so potentially increases the number of repeat-oaep without any good reason 3. it's not even particularly clean, ☝︎
diana_coman is still pondering the best way to treat that so it doesn't make a mess
diana_coman: yes, this is for the OAEP part - current algo repeats the oaep padding until the result is < modulus of given key (since otherwise it can't rsa afterwards)
asciilifeform: yea but you wouldn't want the idjicy to leak upstream ( per e.g. last night's 'spackling' thread )
diana_coman: precisely why I preferred to make a wrapper for it so I don't import the whole stinking pile further up
mircea_popescu: diana_coman http://ossasepia.com/2018/10/25/smg-comms-chapter-4-c-wrappers-for-rsa-and-mpi/#selection-45.2-45.209 << couldn't just test top bit ?
mircea_popescu: how isn;'t it ?!
asciilifeform: when sov engineers knew how to make a konsoomer item 'eternal' -- they did. ( e.g. famous 'buran' vacuum cleaner, still shows up now and again on lulzbay, when i finally move my arse to 220v country, i'ma buy it ) . when they didn't know, they made eternally maintainable .
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The clone over here were better as well, completely interchangeable, except... They didn't click together as well.
mircea_popescu: cuz "why should kids build toys they didn't pay for" amirite ? apple ftw ?
a111: Logged on 2017-09-02 20:04 phf: i'd say it's more like 80s lego and modern lego (if you haven't seen, now it's all >50% custom per-toy parts, that can be snapped to a traditional lego coupling, but otherwise non-universal)
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: keep in mind that the lego you had as a boy, hasn't existed in decade+ , afaik, per http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-02#1710146 ☝︎
mircea_popescu: safe enough bet, seeing how it's 99% same as writing code, and they can't do that to save their lives either.
mircea_popescu: the one thing i really don't like is that wtf block devices of two block sizes.
asciilifeform: incidentally , baking such box doesn't marry to serpent, can replace the ice40's feed rom whenever, with whatever one likes
asciilifeform: dunno, i threw out my serial mouse, and didn't have to rewire entire house on acct of having discarded it
asciilifeform: they didn't line up to buy FG.. ( it dun scratch any heathen itches ) whereas this item potentially does scratch, as i understand
mircea_popescu: i don't expect it'd be a bad thing to have. it's certainly way the fuck more than the whole "market" of the whole "security industry" slash barn.
mircea_popescu: if you're hungry, happy meal not worse than nothing (marginally), but you stiull won't get it.
asciilifeform: we have no concept of 'strength' that shannon didn't have in '47.
asciilifeform: but it doesn't. recall the orig symmetric thread.