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mod6: !!invoice trinque 0.02383823 July Invoice for colo service and shared shell at pizarro
lobbes: mircea_popescu: this makes a lot of sense, ty. Ima read diana_coman's blog post you referenced and study Mocky's style of communication. I will then provide a proper eta tonight
trinque: of course, thank you too
mod6: trinque: Thanks!
deedbot: Invoiced trinque 0.02401750 << June Invoice for colo service and shared shell at pizarro
mod6: !!invoice trinque 0.02401750 June Invoice for colo service and shared shell at pizarro
deedbot: Invoiced jurov 0.02083823 << July Invoice for The Bitcoin Foundation's colo service. #foundation #pizarro
mod6: !!invoice jurov 0.02083823 July Invoice for The Bitcoin Foundation's colo service. #foundation #pizarro
deedbot: Invoiced jurov 0.02101750 << June Invoice for The Bitcoin Foundation's colo service. #foundation #pizarro
mod6: !!invoice jurov 0.02101750 June Invoice for The Bitcoin Foundation's colo service. #foundation #pizarro
a111: Logged on 2018-07-26 01:37 mod6: *nod* was just hoping to find that btc/fiat price. I never did find it. Roughly, I think the price was about $6800 when it would have transpired. But I'll give others a chance to chime on this before I make a June invoice for The Foundation.
mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-26#1837786 << trinque informed me that the June rate was actually $6742. There are two invoices that are were never sent for June, I'll be using this price point to create this invoice, instead of the round $6800 number mentioned in the linked log entry. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: not yet yelling at him -- that's gotta be good for something, yes ?
mircea_popescu: so don't do that. instead, see diana_coman 's theoretical work on managing this (ie http://www.dianacoman.com/2018/02/06/its-only-words-and-assumptions-and-priorities-and-ouch/ ) and take for instance Mocky 's very effectual style ( http://logs.minigame.biz/2018-07-22.log.html#t13:56:10 / http://logs.minigame.biz/2018-07-25.log.html#t19:48:59 etc ). doodn's managed 27 builds of a mining bot NONE OF WHICH WORK to date and i'm
mircea_popescu: because unlike the empire, where they speak to feel good, like birds chirping, the republic has the log and the mechanism of inference, one can very effectually land self in soup. all it takes is apply the "i want everyone to be happy" imperial process for a few passes, until you've loaded yourself into such a ball of inference no one can possibly managed.
mircea_popescu: consider that the "top of hopper" item ALSO means, and what it means in this context is "i've not done anything for two weeks seeing how i've not yet touched my top of hopper" "but mp... i got distracted..." "then WHY do you even have a top of hopper concept, if distraction's the law of the land ?"
mircea_popescu: so saturday we'll be having the same discussion in the same terms, "why have you [implicitly] promised something you didn't deliver", which is just not a good way to go about things.
mircea_popescu: absence is meaningful, you understand, and what that absence means here is "not worth the mention", which in turn translates to "may default to any reasonable value of your choosing" which in this case means to me "definite;y done by saturday". because that's what i want it to be.
lobbesbot: mircea_popescu: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: !Qlater tell lobbes yet i noticed you've not provided an eta.
deedbot: http://thetarpit.org/posts/y05/078-trilemabot-ii.html << The Tar Pit - trilemabot [ii]: prefixed commands
diana_coman: mod6, I don't recall: was there any option to pay yearly for the rockchip? ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-07-26 19:51 mircea_popescu: lobbes_sans_znc ok but i mean, it's been two weeks!
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-26#1837860 << no, I know. I can only offer the "dayjob for food steals most of my productive hours in the day" excuse here. That being said, the importance of getting this thing up isn't lost on me. ☝︎
deedbot: Invoiced lobbes 0.03308823 << Rockchip invoice for 3 months of service, through October 31st, 2018
mod6: !!invoice lobbes 0.03308823 Rockchip invoice for 3 months of service, through October 31st, 2018 ☟︎
mod6: ^ this is what you're looking at to take you through the end of October.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-26 19:47 phf: !Qlater tell lobbes not sure that you really need to introduce emacs into the mix, if it's not your first language. an exception in a thread ought to log itself, but you can explicitly hook into debugger machinery and capture it manually: common lisp has *DEBUGGER-HOOK*, which is documented in hyperspec. sbcl further adds sb-ext:*invoke-debugger-hook*. you should also check that those values are nil after you load your
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-26#1837857 << ty for this btw. I think I will give this a try ☝︎
lobbes: mod6: ty for the reminder. I may as well renew now. plox to invoice for another quarter
mod6: diana_coman: Same message for you above here ^. However, you're all paid up through August 4th.
mod6: lobbes: As a courtesy, Pizarro would like to let you know that your quarterly rockchip rental is up for renewal after July 31st. Just a heads-up. You can renew now, or on August 1st (or thereabouts).
mod6: jurov: Is it ok with you then (or easy enough for you to do) if I do: !!invoice jurov [btc_amt_for_june] June Invoice for The Bitcoin Foundation's colocation service. #foundation #pizarro
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes well, rather changes the model from "What foundation got" to "what foundation did". i really don't see that's such a loss.
BingoBoingo: ^ Title Fixed: 'Anti-Racist' Football Tournament Cancelled After Racist Violence Between Refugee Teams
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/07/anti-racist-football-tournament-cancelled-after-violence-between-refugee-teams/ << Qntra - 'Anti-Racist' Football Tournament Cancelled After Violence Between Refugee Teams
ben_vulpes: sacrifices the public verifiability of "all foundation funds in addrx" but i don't know that's so valuable; foundation addr could just be the proverbial tip hat with some change in it and the curious are directed to read statements
mircea_popescu: if you're the treasurer of x, !!invoice jurov for payments owed by x seems the heart of sanity.
mircea_popescu: i dunno why you can't just you know, use the account. if you're worried about mixage have #hashtags in the invoice, then you see them in the ledger, this invoice is #foundation and whatrever.
trinque: when you invoice someone, this is what you're doing, right? requesting a payment
trinque: if you're paying, invoice should've been issued to you
trinque: but not going to make the definitions of things squashier.
trinque: I dunno why you guys are making it complicated; you can either deposit to mod6's account, or he can invoice you
trinque: why are they invoiced to mod6 if they're for you?
a111: Logged on 2018-07-26 00:01 mod6: trinque: Question for ya regarding how jurov can make a payment for The Foundation's hosting fees at Pizarro: Is there a way that I can get an outside BTC address to give him that would go directly to my deedbot wallet? I see that I can do `!!deposit amount`, which might work, but it could be days before a payment is made. Is this a problem? Thoughts?
jurov: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-26#1837766 << or i can pay the invoices directly...but can jurov !!pay deedbot invoices issued to mod6? ☝︎
mircea_popescu: lobbes_sans_znc ok but i mean, it's been two weeks! ☟︎
lobbesbot: phf: The operation succeeded.
phf: system. slime/swank doesn't do anything smarter than overriding them with own handlers, so you should be able to manually give yourself as much visibility as slime will give you.
phf: !Qlater tell lobbes not sure that you really need to introduce emacs into the mix, if it's not your first language. an exception in a thread ought to log itself, but you can explicitly hook into debugger machinery and capture it manually: common lisp has *DEBUGGER-HOOK*, which is documented in hyperspec. sbcl further adds sb-ext:*invoke-debugger-hook*. you should also check that those values are nil after you load your ☟︎
lobbes_sans_znc: Also: need to fix my znc (hopefully 'fix' is simple as: box just restarted and znc did not)
lobbes_sans_znc: Got derailed early this week with http://logs.minigame.biz/2018-07-25.log.html#t05:49:24, but that backlog has been cut down, so I'll be refocusing back to auctionbot '2.0'
a111: Logged on 2018-07-22 18:27 ben_vulpes: lobbes: that the outbox table has entries in it suggests that logbot-start-pg-thread was never called
lobbes_sans_znc: mircea_popescu: Currently trying to diagnose why my logbot install is not sending from 'outbox' table. Looking I'll need to learn some basic emacs in order to determine -where- it is failing here. See also thread-fragment  >> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-22#1837189 ☝︎
mircea_popescu would like to provide some air to the fine pizarro folk, but... !
lobbesbot: mircea_popescu: The operation succeeded.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-09 22:35 lobbes: asciilifeform: can haz. I'ma move this up to item #1 in hopper
mircea_popescu: !Qlater tell lobbes hey, how's that reverse auction thing coming along ? http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-09#1833033 item. ☝︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as i gather, these folx inhabit a self-complete leprosorium, with 'rational', non-draconic 'explanation' for erry possible misfortune
mircea_popescu: seems to me pretty plain & evident which case is run my "i'm ugly but don't see why this means i get no voice" "#metoo" and which is not.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform consider the case of stupid kid coming back to his stupid mother from "School" ie daycare, face all blodied up. case 1. "Who did this to you ?" "Joe Nobody!!!!" vs case 2. "Who did this to you ?!" "It was the cosmic rays!"
mircea_popescu: luxuries few enjoy, you know, the retort "ask your mother who i am" readily available for any "who are you" inquiries and such.
mircea_popescu: sitting there in their sad hovels, trying really hard to not say the dragon's name.
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's funny to me just how PAINFULLY aware all the losers are, of trilema, of things.
asciilifeform: relatedly, any of the megablox crapola still running ? or all evaporated nao like last yr's snow
mircea_popescu: as long as i've not turned out the dole, it'll sit an pretend like it runs the world.
asciilifeform: apparently africa still not done digesting the null from the 'summer of shitforks' escapade.
mircea_popescu: what else can it be ? nation of africa is nation of africa, has not produced any new ideas ever seeing how ~that's what it is~. definitionally, if you create a "set of all morons" you're not to expect them to not be morons.
mircea_popescu: it's gonna be a "we're all equal and interchangeable therefore so are you" and "in order to swallow things too big to be swallowed first cut them into parts" and "if anyone gets in your way say the magic words" and so on.
mircea_popescu: or for that matter 2012.
asciilifeform found the pg by accident while digging for something entirely else, but somewhat disappointed nao, apparently lulz directorate produced 0 new idea since '16
mircea_popescu: inca tryna digest bitcoin before bitcoin digests inca. "aspects" being what enzymes say.
asciilifeform: 'You clearly perceive immutability as Bitcoin's most important aspect, but others feel that decentralisation is the more important quality ... I don't know how you expect to maintain a decentralised system when the only participants are the limited number of fruitcakes running the 0.5.4 client' << gold.
mircea_popescu: i like how "crazed fundamentalist" is how the pantsuit says "people smarter than me" nowadays.
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in heathendom archaeology, https://archive.is/FIxZc >> 'exists just for the crazed fundamentalists' << didjaknow.
spyked: in other news, trilemabot part ii will be published later today, with fresh coad ready to be scrutinized.
spyked: ^ ftr, I'll be away starting tomorrow for about a week. I'll use this key during the interval.
spyked: !!rate spyked_trvl 1 spyked's travellin' riverside key
deedbot: Invoiced mircea_popescu 0.22505299 << S.NSA colocation (dulap) through June 2019
mod6: !!invoice mircea_popescu 0.22505299 S.NSA colocation (dulap) through June 2019 ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: mod6: let's do the sensible thing
mod6: I didn't say it made sense, just that's what was done before.
asciilifeform: mod6: that makes 0 sense
mod6: Turns out that there is a mark-up, as opposed to a discount for yearly.
mod6: ah, fair point, i gotta figure out what the discount would be on a year-contract might be.
asciilifeform: plox to invoice mircea_popescu ( he is not only chairman but also treasurer )
mod6: Good with this then through June 30th of 2019? ^
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: let's take a 1y
mod6: *nod* was just hoping to find that btc/fiat price. I never did find it. Roughly, I think the price was about $6800 when it would have transpired. But I'll give others a chance to chime on this before I make a June invoice for The Foundation. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: mod6 really, don't dig through the logs worth more than what the difference is, you know.
mod6: mircea_popescu: S.NSA was paid up through June 30th, 2018 for dulap's colocation. We can do another quarter (back dated to July 1st) that will carry S.NSA through September 30th, 2018 for a total of: 0.06251472 BTC (0.02083824 BTC/mo). If this is agreeable, let me know, or if you have any questions.
trinque: but that feature is entirely intended to be used both for sending your BTC and for receiving it from others
mod6: thanks trinque.
trinque: (when I start expiring them, will announce)
trinque: and no, the deposit request wont expire or anything, in any amount of time that'd affect you
trinque: mod6: that is the way to do that, !!deposit
mod6: *on that day, June 12th
mod6: I have pulled up BTC/USD chart of Bitstamp (no particular reason I picked this exchange) between June 1st and June 30th. I can see that the price was roughly about $6800 per BTC on that day. Unless anyone chimes in very soon about what the actual price point was for the month of June, is anyone opposed to me using this rate?
a111: Logged on 2018-06-19 16:04 deedbot: Invoiced ben_vulpes 0.40847278 << "wire to the Pizarro DC sent 2018-06-12"
mod6: re price point for June, I can see that this wire was sent on or around June 12th: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-19#1826769 ☝︎