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mircea_popescu: seems to me like the empire-of-can't-pay-outside-obligations is moving into a soviet outfit. got plasticar, plastiphone, plastifastfood and on your way.
mircea_popescu: "here, have a shitbox. you don't need real computer anyway"
mircea_popescu: isn't this what they've been doing since the 80s ?
mircea_popescu: i don't get it, dude "didn't understand technology", bought wrigley. is the idea apple phone spits out wrigley spearmint flavour ?
mircea_popescu: i don't expect this is optional, ~everyone~ has the exact same problem.
mircea_popescu: in an ideal world of perfect women. but no, irl it won't be.
mircea_popescu: keks. well, one doesn't traditionally buy whores by getting fixated on a particular one.
Mocky: well i don't know but they don't tell me to fuck off, no matter how much i ask them but never agree to pay
Mocky: what would be considered a normal rate for an hour with a whore? i don't know anything about how things are elsewhere
Mocky: no idea, but given the excess mass, i don't think any cock is on the table
mircea_popescu: what was the problem, she expected a tip you didn't provide, as far as you know ?
Mocky: hasn't been up since
a111: Logged on 2018-10-22 18:26 mircea_popescu: ah don't be silly, use the dime.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-02 13:42 diana_coman: I must say that I can't even find it funny anymore: I even received here a flyer with something ~"Oxford women in computer science: Oxford's next Bitcoin Blockchain" and I found it... inane, nothing else
diana_coman: asciilifeform, re proof at first pass it looks sound to me; my only current niggle with it (to be addressed at 2nd pass) is if there are any bits of the key interchangeable perhaps (though it doesn't seem likely, I can't yet tell for sure)
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i would not use phrase 'very fine' but it ~isn't~ elementarily botched, is all. there's 2^256 outs, 1 per in.
BingoBoingo: And people say math can't be any fun for the spectators
diana_coman: I must say that I can't even find it funny anymore: I even received here a flyer with something ~"Oxford women in computer science: Oxford's next Bitcoin Blockchain" and I found it... inane, nothing else ☟︎
shinohai: Well it hasn't yielded income equal to other pursuits, I just find it amusing (from bouncing about alt-irc shitcoin groups) that so many of these guys really think they are competitor to actual Bitcoin.
diana_coman: alternatively I suppose I could just declare own limited types and work with that but I still don't think it's worth doing at this point
mircea_popescu: and no, they couldn't be "anything". i'm not asking fucking naively, "please supply a string for my exec()". i'm asking to see whether they're fucking demented or not.
mircea_popescu: but who and what aren't the same thing, to begin with.
Mocky: you meet someone new and don't know who they are, they could be anything
Mocky: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-01#1868347 I don't see how it's any different from e.g. http://btcbase.org/log-search?q="who+might+you+be" ☝︎
mircea_popescu: and isn't it great that our code of conduct prevents me from actually telling you how i feel about the matter. /sarcasm
mircea_popescu: billymg don't take it the wrong way ; nothing wrong with not knowing things. i don't know most of them either.
phf: vtools_genesis is a very reduced gnu diff, which has a place for hash, but doesn't know how to produce one, until either sha or keccak is attached in later patches
asciilifeform: billymg: you can't 'emerge' gnat on the rk, the only known arm64 gnat is ave1's, and presently gotta be hand-emplaced
billymg: a Makefile, yes, but don't see a vdiff.gpr
phf: i suspect you only have the first patch applied, which comes with a makefile, and which will indeed produce a vdiff that doesn't know how to hash
billymg: ahh, that would be it then. i don't seem to have ada, etc. installed
BingoBoingo: And most of the self identified repeat victims don't recieve more than whatever bumps were necessary to abscond with their shit
BingoBoingo: Seriously though, asciilifeform has met me in person and confirm I am not built like a person who should be seeking out fights. Yet... It isn't rare to be walking about and the sight of some local dork fires something in the brain roughly equivalent to "they aren't as opprosed as they are signalling they should be"
BingoBoingo: I don't know everything going on on the west side of Bulevard Artigas, but on my side the people getting robbed are getting robbed repeatedly because they can't quit their prey behaviors
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: lol! why wasn't it, e.g., 'don't menstruate so much' ? betcha victim menstruated!11
BingoBoingo: Local medical student was stabbed and body dumped on Playa Ramirez near Parque Rodo. Peruana's interpretation is "Don't walk Playa Pocitos so late at night"
mircea_popescu: yes, i get it, if those characters lucked out with a better author, they wouldn't be so fork-eyeingly boring and trite and omfg enough already.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the talking bags don'\t actually do anything or matter in any sense. it's like going "i wonder why dickens' characters didn't murder dickens, he's such a tedious pile of crap"
BingoBoingo: Can't afford it
asciilifeform: lulzy that they din't simply poison him yet
bvt: can't say these results are any useful until i write a summary (todo for saturday).
asciilifeform: it is possible that there's some format gnarl that i haven't accounted for , tho, i haven't tried erry elephantine key on it ( should really test by walking phuctor db )
mircea_popescu: hey, if there didn't exist a bunch of unwashed morons polluting san francisco bay area, such obvious statements wouldn't be needed.
mircea_popescu: in fact a lot of everything is very much like http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-01#1868412 -- before republic tells you to go figure out talking to people, you don't know you can because you don't know to think to try. ☝︎
Mocky: I didn't have any more experience talking to orcs than chatting up chicks or writing c++, or rebuilding my bike engine back in the day, or fixing a million and one things for the first time. I don't know shit about shit. I never did
mircea_popescu: and this, because Mocky had decades talking to orcs that alf didn't get ?
mircea_popescu: take http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-24#1844323 ; the one thing the bimbo whose summaries you don't like and whose marked improvement over time you disparage had to say was "oh, great idea. we did that at purdue, made a lot of money." she happens to be right, too ; she also hasn't the decades of doing this. or anything else, for that matter -- she can barely speak english. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: "what's the only salient point of #metoo '''mopvement''' aka morons on usg.ugc sites ?" "that it only attaches to people who don't laugh at them."
mircea_popescu: they didn't discuss factored keys re rsa, everything and anything but that -- we went ther,e it yielded.
mircea_popescu: i suppose this is a major (if unsurprising) moral of this story : always start with what htey don't discuss.
mircea_popescu: yes, well, i'm not calibrated by you wth. srsly, what you did to serpent wasn't stroke of genius, but simply spade work. you dispute this ?!
asciilifeform: the simplicity and reducibility-to-factoringishard of rabin is appealing, and wai not bake in advance so as mircea_popescu yr later doesn't 'why didntcha!'
asciilifeform: err, nope. can't presently think of one.
asciilifeform: it's essentially what serpent's ( and afaik errybody's ) key inflater already does. except that it doesn't bother to tell you, simply shits out a colliding output.
asciilifeform: i.e. 'sorry, this won't output a hash' ?
mircea_popescu: entirely possibly ; wouldn't even be the first time, at that.
mircea_popescu: anyway, no, i'm not married to serpent. i don't even fucking like it that much. i even said so!
asciilifeform: 'don't cross that road' 'don't get on that plane'
mircea_popescu: hey, "why didn't you see the goat" is in the end a boundless question, "i just fucking didn't. i don';t know why, obviously it's there, but i did not see it"
mircea_popescu: but this aside -- i suspect you also don't work... how shall i put this... everyone's eval-er that keeps them from making coffin liners works on some heuristics. and i suspect your heuristics are out of whack with the insanity that is bitcoin. ie, the important and the unimportant don't get all that clearly separated.
mircea_popescu: but the manager in me wouldn't never buy it, because management goes a certain way, and distrusts a certain way.
mircea_popescu: "<mircea_popescu> as much as you have now, could have been had then! for, literally, 1-2 man-days, at teh most. you dispute this ?" "<asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: nope. couldn't" "<mircea_popescu> sooo! what portion of this do you dispute ?" "<asciilifeform> that 'could have then' "
asciilifeform: couldn't.
mircea_popescu: yes, but wrong approach to it all! "here's why serpent's no good, here's why i don't like dea-aes etc, here's rabin method, imo best" IS something.
asciilifeform: ferfuxxsake we still don't know the complexity class factoring falls into.
mircea_popescu: it's healthy, let alone necessary, to rage in certain circumstances. this here being a fine fucking example -- because i still not for a second believe had you earnestly sat ass down in 2015 you couldn't have earned that 10 coin.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's obvious, we don't even know serpent is in fact no good, hence "you persuasively suggest may not be good (but not actually done the work to turn that suggestive theory in practice)"
asciilifeform: ( btw is it obvious that we haven't , at this time, broken anyffing ? or not )
mircea_popescu: it's, as they call in busioness, "a no brainer" -- i ain't doing jack.
asciilifeform: why didn't find ?
asciilifeform: 'why didn't you turn over this stone in '15 ?' 'there's 10^100 stones'
mircea_popescu: oh, that's easy, i didn't cuz i can't code.
mircea_popescu: is the idea more along then lines of "i knew about this all along, just didn't feel about telling you schmucks anything until after you poured cement" ? rather than "i literally could not be arsed to even look at this until someone poured some cement somewhere so i could pester them then" ?
asciilifeform: i had to algebraize the thing , and have just the right rng bits flip in head , to get the 'ceiling tiles' ( why didn't mircea_popescu get'em in '15 ? ) ☟︎
asciilifeform: i dun see why conjure up the presense that 'didn't participate at useful time' ; asciilifeform attacked problem of 'blockcipherism' ~continuously for 3+ yr.
mircea_popescu: and yes, ima implement "a cipher alf doesn't like" over alf's objections. because the only way alf'd be a stakeholder in this is... if... he had participated at a usefgul time. not at the time he felt like.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you haven't launched $billion mars probe with serpent in silicon. so you have option ( not proposing 'let's rabin! right nao!' , it's naturally a measure-7-times-cut-1ce subj )
mircea_popescu: i don't follow the logic.
asciilifeform: what i dun get is wai mircea_popescu thinks he has reached the place where 'no option' , afaik he hasn't baked $trillion asic . conceivably if mircea_popescu ( who 'i will live & die by factoring-is-not-in-P !' ) can reduce problem to factoring-not-in-P, he still has option .
mircea_popescu: time doesn't flow fucking backwards.
mircea_popescu: for all i know, just about the time i'm done uprooting this and planting that, you'll be geniusing the exact same thing about that. i have 0 confidence this won't happen, specifically because of historical evolution, and so...
mircea_popescu: i ain't about to change the code i have for a theory that might maybe work because the theory behind the code i have might maybe not work according to this drawing.
mircea_popescu: t's doing it. because this is what la serenissima is all about -- the doge back in venice is more then welcome to wholeheartedly support whatever the fuck the merchants on the blue find correct just and expedient.
mircea_popescu: im not attached to serpent in any way other than in the following sense you're well fucking advised to pay attention to : 1. s.mg is a corporation, meaning ith's here to make money. 2. s.mg is also trying, but as a fucking distant second, to be a "good" corporation, however that is politically defined. it doesn't give a fuck about this, not in any deep sense, if the money's good it'll go against policy, and CHANGE policy as i
mircea_popescu: i suspect you don't have such.
mircea_popescu: and it turns out qatar is actually more important for india than india itself realises : it's where the aspie indie elite goes to learn to be "gay", ie, "i can't get any cunt anyway, might as well get used to living with another dude, wardrobe as well as everything else comes cheaper this way, cheap enough in fact for even scum like me to get some".
mircea_popescu: "act like a normal nation" aka "don't be a sociopath/psychopath" aka "please recognize incan notions of Holy Mother and Her most reserved role in the playground".
asciilifeform: ( as i understand, was also a shit-test of eltsin, who 'passed', didn't so much as fart )
mircea_popescu: they don't got the guts to qatar/burma anymore, that's for damn sure. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: you don't understand that city.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-31 20:41 asciilifeform: ( no prizes for guessing why holyshit.png doesn't appear in the orig 'serpent' paper, or the mountain of 'analysis' ... )
mircea_popescu: (i don't blame wife, either. what's she to do, stuck with big child ? nurture, nurture.
mircea_popescu: the truth is that there's a bunch of reasons people will follow you / come to your house / whatever. and there's this recurrent element of "why can't everyone just get along / this is what we're all doing" sorta thing.
mod6: yeah, exactly. prb is fake-cheese, for losers. can't hack it with the republic, the false choice is thinking that they have an alternative - a loser one at at that. but there really is no alternative. no matter how much you wish it to be REAL cheese, it is not, and never will be.
mod6: If a guy is huge, but can't skate, then maybe he has an advantage as a shitty defensemen -- plopping him in front of the net to keep the crease clear.
mod6: Speaking of hockey... played in another game. Wasn't nearly as out-of-shape as last time. No goals though, but 2 assists, 7 SOG, 1 Hit.
mod6: mircea_popescu: ok cool, if you don't mind then, I'll probably just do deedbot wallet since it's a bit quicker for me.
mod6: mircea_popescu: Hi Sir, if I win the auction here, how would you like me to settle? Via btc from deedbot-wallet, or via ECU and trade in eulora (this may take a day or so to exchange my BTC into ECU hope this isn't a big deal).
a111: Logged on 2018-10-31 17:46 asciilifeform: if it can't, you can narrow the type and be rid of the implicit 'is-div0?' check
asciilifeform: it's funny, if only to me -- if author wanted to make the keyspace == 2**256, all he would have had to do is to drop a copy of the 256bit key into the expansion. but i can already picture the fatlogic, 'oh noez, that wouldn't do, will leak key via plaintext cuz not whitened'