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asciilifeform: without usg's http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-22#1817099 thing, there's be as much 'dope cartel' as there is aspirin cartel. ☝︎
asciilifeform: i meant the rack as a whole
asciilifeform: it's mindboggling, all sorts of folx whom seemingly 'god himself made for btc', e.g. malware racket, still use spampals/dwollas/etc as if year were 2008
asciilifeform: sure, but it's a theatrical production, with roughly same physical impact as footballism
asciilifeform: they sum to ~0 as tax base, and do ~nuffin
mircea_popescu: anyway, the problem is that not enough bitchslapping of stupid cunts who imagine "their oppinions on #ows" or w/e are sought or even possible as an abstract object. THAT is the true usg, the pile of moron dreamers.
asciilifeform: usg hunts hawaladars as if they were ebola sprayers . but they still live.
asciilifeform: as i understand, it worx b/c tight wot
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hey, if local morons still act as if they lived in usg zone, notwithstanding they make 5k a year or so...
a111: Logged on 2018-10-08 15:57 mircea_popescu: pretty much all the empire shit works by this "only way to get an x is to link an x' to an y' to the x" device. by now it's actually usable as an empire-detecting heuristic.
mircea_popescu: about as doable as phones returning to 1950s state of the art. with maidens and spokes.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as i said, i sent'em for 6mo in a row with 0 eggog afterwards
hanbot: I don't think I'ma bother to debug their nonsense, as far as I'm concerned Western Union was never even marginally useful for any purpose I can think of. But obviously they did carefully write down all the details before not doing any work, so I dunno...advanced warning I guess? Not sure how much the shitpile can be relied on.
asciilifeform: it's approx as solid as 'linux dunwork'
asciilifeform: it's a 2edged blade, as it would be a great temptation to 'light client' idjits to parasitize on trb. but would make for easy litmus.
asciilifeform: re upstack -- as it happens, 'trb-compat' is pretty easy to distinguish mechanically -- anybody who has 'services' field != 1, aint trb-compat.
trinque: just didn't need preventing, as the bad form is screamingly apparent
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: btw i think you'll like this, by default thing does opposite of the heathen one, doesn't display prb nodes individually, but simply as a collective 'sad people' stat # .
mircea_popescu: AS MANY BUTTONS AS SPARKPLUGS
asciilifeform: it has a legit, sorta, use -- long loops ( where branch 'likely', given as it is taken for all but final shot ) but still ugh
a111: Logged on 2018-10-12 12:49 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-12#1860789 << imho a ~constant time~ crc32 would be useful, and can be made from ave1's with very small effort, but i'ma leave it as exercise for him ( simply dispose of the if's )
asciilifeform: it aint as if von neumann didn't warn'em.
a111: Logged on 2014-08-27 02:03 asciilifeform: bats_cd03: 'random' means one thing if you're running 'monte carlo' sims (digits of 'pi' work beautifully, as does 'A Million Random Digits with 100,000 Normal Deviates' (rand corp, 1955. book.))
asciilifeform: if not for massive printolade infusions, would have died at roughly same time as commodore co.
a111: Logged on 2016-11-30 23:04 asciilifeform: 'As more people with less commitment to quality and much less attention to detail got involved in writing it, its educational value diminished, too. It is like going to a library full of books that took 50 man-years to produce each, inventing a way to cut down the costs to a few man-months per book by copying and randomly improving on other books, and then wondering why nobody thinks your library full of these cheaper books is an in
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/10/pantsuit-media-slanders-kim-kardashians-husband-as-an-incel/ << Qntra - Pantsuit Media Slanders Kim Kardashian's Husband As An "Incel"
asciilifeform: they had a line of pocket calculators, this was ( and as i understand, remains ) their flagship product. but! they somehow managed to lose their upstream ic vendors (they dun make much with own hands any moar) and nao reduced to selling same calc with ~ipnoje+emulator internals, and multi-second boot(yes) times
a111: Logged on 2016-08-18 22:32 asciilifeform: 'The situation is somewhat akin to a retarded girlfriend trying to flood your apartment, that not only opens all the faucets and stops all the drains, but also takes the "extremely clever" measure of puncturing the water pipes, so she can then preciously inform you that "turning off the faucets won't help" and you must work with her to somehow create a raft out of your widescreen TV so as to navigate the marshy terrain that used to b
mircea_popescu: have your own program designed correctly, so your own shitropy management thread ensures your own shitropy calls always return in constant time. YOUR JOB, as a shitropy eater.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-12 12:39 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-12#1860778 << there are not so many legitimate uses for /dev/urandom. however the idea that it can be fully reproduced in userland without kernel knob is afaik a mistake -- the thing gives you real entropy if available, and elsewise prngolade; importantly, as a ~nonblocking~ operation. idea is that it ~always~ returns in constant time.
asciilifeform: the maker of the thing folded coupla yrs ago, they had 2 major buyers, the 'olpc' idjicy (dead) and usg (made clone, as i understand) and so starved.
asciilifeform: ( as well as if you turn on the backlight led, then it becomes ~ordinary screen )
asciilifeform: lenovo box, with roughly same chipset as x60
asciilifeform: if yer willing to carry suitcase, may as well get the chinese hdmi/vga boardlet and use with rk.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-12#1860796 << i meant strictly as "oh, can't use, it's wrong proportion". so what if it is ?! ☝︎
mircea_popescu: mod6 write it as "[1] 833 TMSR BTC"
mircea_popescu: as in, we don't now know if it's 1833 or 833 ?!
a111: Logged on 2018-10-12 09:40 ave1: well mostly because I see this more as reference code (this is how it can be done with division) and less so as production code (the table driven works very well for that)
asciilifeform: i'ma invoice mod6 then as soon as it actually costs sumthing nontrivial, or erry 6mo, whichever comes 1st
mircea_popescu: "this salami costs as much as that cheese, ERGO THIS SALAMI IS THAT CHEESE". and this phone thing dns, and so on.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: cuz promised 'next day' and turned out ~week, and place runs on meat/monkeys rather than (as implied) comp
mircea_popescu: afaik none of the other various pretenders managed as much.
mircea_popescu: in other MCGA, yest spent lunch at table with three girls, at upscale italian place where there were three girls total. on the left, tableful of dudes. on the right, tableful of dudes. nobody said as much as zip, though i was openly playing with tits over cacciucco.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-12 15:01 ave1: btw, turns out I was wrong on; http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-12#1860768. I can run the entropy source tests in parallel without problem (jyst takes n times longer, so scales as expected)
ave1: btw, turns out I was wrong on; http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-12#1860768. I can run the entropy source tests in parallel without problem (jyst takes n times longer, so scales as expected) ☝︎☟︎
ave1: the painfull part was at the start when I did not know that crc used a reversed bit order and did not understand that the initial register has to be xored with the message (and not used as a kind of prepend)
a111: Logged on 2018-10-12 13:08 diana_coman: asciilifeform, hm, the bit version blows up buffers even more because it uses *internally* arrays of bits as per http://www.dianacoman.com/2018/02/01/eucrypt-chapter-8-bit-level-keccak-sponge/#selection-51.100-51.594
diana_coman: asciilifeform, hm, the bit version blows up buffers even more because it uses *internally* arrays of bits as per http://www.dianacoman.com/2018/02/01/eucrypt-chapter-8-bit-level-keccak-sponge/#selection-51.100-51.594 ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-12#1860785 << waitasec, we have a non-'bit' keccak somewhere ? i.e. one that doesn't require buffers to be blown up 8x , as in http://btcbase.org/patches/vtools_ksum#L76 ? i'd like this... ( and i suspect so would errybody ) ☝︎
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-12#1860789 << imho a ~constant time~ crc32 would be useful, and can be made from ave1's with very small effort, but i'ma leave it as exercise for him ( simply dispose of the if's ) ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-10-12 09:00 mircea_popescu: there's absolutely no excuse for having "urandom" as a kernel signal. applications that both a) care about entropy debit over time and b) can get away with substituting shit for entropy should simply manage their entropy/shitropy interface in a dedicated thread. let it read from /dev/random, add however many bits of 11110000 they want whenever they want to and vomit the resulting cesspool as the app that spawned them demands.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-12#1860778 << there are not so many legitimate uses for /dev/urandom. however the idea that it can be fully reproduced in userland without kernel knob is afaik a mistake -- the thing gives you real entropy if available, and elsewise prngolade; importantly, as a ~nonblocking~ operation. idea is that it ~always~ returns in constant time. ☝︎☟︎
ave1: as for urandom, whenever I search for it I end up revisiting this one http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-15#1614105. It seems both are unusable. ☝︎
ave1: well mostly because I see this more as reference code (this is how it can be done with division) and less so as production code (the table driven works very well for that) ☟︎
diana_coman: ave1, why not add it as a .vpatch on the eucrypt tree?
mircea_popescu: there's absolutely no excuse for having "urandom" as a kernel signal. applications that both a) care about entropy debit over time and b) can get away with substituting shit for entropy should simply manage their entropy/shitropy interface in a dedicated thread. let it read from /dev/random, add however many bits of 11110000 they want whenever they want to and vomit the resulting cesspool as the app that spawned them demands. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: i don't get it. you have one (kernel) reading from tty putting it into /dev/?random ; and however many apps reading from there as now.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-11 19:34 asciilifeform: phf, bvt : i thought of a possible algo for sane tmp file creation that dun need rng or global counter. 1) pick a file name in tmp dir, if none exists, take empty string, as string S 2) produce S' = H(S) , H is hash (e.g. keccak) 3) stat(S') ; if already exists, take S'' = H(S') and repeat .
asciilifeform: if you can check for collisions atomically, may as well have ordinary counter .
phf: bvt: as of right now there's only one temporary file at a time during a vpatch run, so you're essentially in the same situation temp file name or temp directory anme
phf: asciilifeform: counters exhibit exactly the same problem as a non-random seed
asciilifeform: phf, bvt : i thought of a possible algo for sane tmp file creation that dun need rng or global counter. 1) pick a file name in tmp dir, if none exists, take empty string, as string S 2) produce S' = H(S) , H is hash (e.g. keccak) 3) stat(S') ; if already exists, take S'' = H(S') and repeat . ☟︎
bvt: Apparently those addresses are used as 'poor man's RNG'
bvt: 2. Ada internally uses mkstemp(3) to generate a random name when empty string is passed as filename to Open procedure.
Mocky: unrelatedly, i saw the craziest thing leaving the air port. there are a lot of indian dudes around doing public works type labor jobs. landscaping, pickup up trash, construction etc. I saw one, and i swear he was mowing the grass with a chain saw, all squatted down. now maybe he was cutting something else, but there was nothing else there! and damn if the that lawn wasn't pristine as a golf course
asciilifeform: i think of'em as 'engrish' (asian term, but applicable)
diana_coman: it does look as if it's from some old picture book, lol
billymg: i seem to have lost voice in #p again (perhaps from bouncer disconnect -- which will be moving to the new box as soon as i have time to setup)
mircea_popescu: "APOLOGIA PRO NOMINE MEO. Out of consideration (in part) to such readers as may read this book I have assumed a name by which they may refer to me (if ever he or she may wish to do so kindly) in the same manner at least twice running--a feat of pronunciation which few of my English acquaintances have performed with my natal name. But there is also another reason, considerate of the author. I have been told that there are writ
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/10/intel-cpu-shortage-for-most-distribution-channels-as-production-focuses-on-high-performance-segments/ << Qntra - Intel CPU Shortage For Most Distribution Channels As Production Focuses On "High Performance Segments"
asciilifeform: ( and not as if it had no 'jesus bolt', it is sadly unknown to me how to make entirely without one )
mircea_popescu: unless there's further constraints, such as "all random numbers are 4"
mircea_popescu: neither "add some entropy" nor "inline asm" strike me as bad solutions.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not that i see it as particularly likely, but afaik cannot be guaranteed not to, at least not w/out using inline asm, e.g. RDTSC on x86
mircea_popescu: "bit" as in "little bit" colloquial.
mircea_popescu: (this is not even so trivial a point -- generally insanity is perceived as so very personal by the insane.
asciilifeform: hey, asciilifeform does a similarly loathesome, and at times ~identical, thing, for money in the saeculum. for so long as you approach it the way kepler approached his work as horoscope-maker, it's livable
bvt: sure, but I guess you are interested in explanation as well?
deedbot: 6CF3EFF892A7F23E7E798E5EBA6B8C054B962B68 registered as bvt.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-02 18:10 asciilifeform: a 'secure prng' is fundamentally THE SAME animal as the 'secure hash' and the 'secure blockcipher'.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: keccak even worx as a stream cipher, and afaik no better or worse than other extant examples.
mircea_popescu: but otherwise, in crc applications crc32 much better, as alf pointed out ; and in what-is-being-hashed-is-long applications, keccak npq.
mircea_popescu: Mocky yes, actually. both as current "checkpoint" mechanism and otherwise. but you gotta also familiarize self with "fleet in being" concept, discussed in logs pluriously.
Mocky: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-10#1859947 >> btw, has there been any consideration of publishing a signed tar ball of the first, say half million blocks. not to have them set in stone, but like 'at height 550000, these were the first 500k' for purpose of eat-block jumpstart for nodeless noobs, such as myself? Log search didn't reveal it to my eyes. ☝︎
asciilifeform: as for coyote, naturally none in the city, lol, no wolf either
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> fuckers can unscrew jars. << The can also "play", I recall one time at scoutcamp they improvised a hockey game using a tin as a puck. Coons are perfectly capable of doing it for the lulz.
asciilifeform: muzzle as big as some dog's.
mircea_popescu: " Latinas apparently view mapache (aka. trash panda) as mystery critter" << that's pretty funny, seeing how... that's EXACTLY how people see latinas themselves!
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ( raccoon, to euro folx, can look like exotic fairy tale beast, but it's effectively a dog-sized rat , can chew hole straight through the typical north ameristani wooden house ) << Latinas apparently view mapache (aka. trash panda) as mystery critter and protagonist of children's stories
billymg: are the rockchip mini servers shared hosting as well? or is it 1:1 customer:hardware?
a111: Logged on 2018-10-10 15:27 billymg: i have been working in the "tech industry" for about 10 years now, mostly as a ux designer but i can also produce code
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, but you're missing the details, such as "girls complaint ? air corrodes tampon thread, can't pull them back out" sorta truly annoying interplay of general principles.
mircea_popescu: you have no idea (in fact, i am sure no human can form idea, as an attempt from first principles) what the frisco atmosphere is like these days.
BingoBoingo: As this was a public auction, I am inclined to believe this is the number we should be using for invoicing.
asciilifeform: as i understand that's who ~might~ be interested in ui expertise
asciilifeform: billymg: for so long as you avoid obvious hand-in-bear-trap in the vein of 'hi, i'm j. smith and i work for xyz corp and their product is liquishit' , generally nobody gives a shit
billymg: i have been working in the "tech industry" for about 10 years now, mostly as a ux designer but i can also produce code ☟︎
billymg: i don't mean to only lurk, i'm a long time log reader and am hoping i can be of service to any of the lords in their projects. by trade (as defined in fiat land at least) i am a ux designer and developer. happy to introduce myself in the channel if i am voiced again
asciilifeform: unobtainium, near as i can tell, at any price.
trinque would prefer phf just sign "I would like trinque to delete my key and reimport X" for sanity's sake, as it saves me from having to reason through whether this new key is an acceptable substitute for prev, incurring all the "how does gpg really work again?" and so on.