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a111: Logged on 2019-03-13 20:11 diana_coman: (not to mention it's easier without, no?) ; circul foamei

diana_coman: mircea_popescu, when was that original hungarians driving over? because if it's 60s, dunno it has anything to do with him or with greaua mostenire in reverse

a111: Logged on 2019-03-13 20:11 diana_coman: and that's valid for the 1000 bakeries too; I suppose one can argue that it's still an achievement to have bakeries with no bread than to have no bakeries and stale bread but I don't buy it; and note that in the 80's the latest brightest idea (in the same vein, all hail!) was to further do this sort of great "improvement", to wit the communal "neighbourhood kitchen" to get rid of such waste as having individual kitchens in every hruscheba

a111: Logged on 2019-03-13 20:08 diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-13#1901855 -> his "move" was - as most - very much in the vein of "this is the shop where we don't have fish"

a111: Logged on 2018-06-19 15:59 mircea_popescu: the universal oppinion of romanian officer corps, which, in romania, a country very german, were more than a third of the whole shebang, was that russians are literally worse than dogs.

asciilifeform: i cannot resist to bite, an' ask, diana_coman , why the '83 adlais 'not elite', but the tail ends of habsburg absentee landlords somehow 'elite'

mircea_popescu: diana_coman the point of the discussion, though, is to not end up accidentally banning shitting just because ceausescu was known to shit.

diana_coman: mircea_popescu, "greaua mostenire" cuts both ways though; he gets to hide behind it for a while but he also doesn't get credit for a while

a111: Logged on 2019-03-13 20:08 diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-13#1901855 -> his "move" was - as most - very much in the vein of "this is the shop where we don't have fish"

a111: Logged on 2019-03-13 21:24 asciilifeform: diana_coman: this is where i admit that it is above my paygrade to say just how 'maybe without shoemaker, less worse and shorter' . if there's a way to keep neighbours from turning yer congo into a resource extraction base without marching peasants at gunpoint to city and having'em stand in front of lathes to make kalashes, i do not know it

a111: Logged on 2015-03-06 03:29 mircea_popescu: if you are one of the people buying belgian rubber concessions on the stock exchanges, you make money. if you're in africa, you make quick with the hands and feet.

asciilifeform: diana_coman: this is where i admit that it is above my paygrade to say just how 'maybe without shoemaker, less worse and shorter' . if there's a way to keep neighbours from turning yer congo into a resource extraction base without marching peasants at gunpoint to city and having'em stand in front of lathes to make kalashes, i do not know it ☟︎

a111: Logged on 2019-03-13 21:15 diana_coman: sure; as mircea_popescu pointed out already, Romania lost already earlier than that http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-13#1901850

asciilifeform: diana_coman: 'didn't get to the part where it gets better' << this is the distinct impression i get . and i suspect on acct of the shoemaker being soft. ☟︎

a111: Logged on 2019-03-13 16:23 mircea_popescu: diana_coman what, the horses ? the "killed elite" thing would be what, i gh duca ? (and guess what, digging for that reference i also ran into -- apparently there's a piece re the afore mentioned prince)

diana_coman: sure; as mircea_popescu pointed out already, Romania lost already earlier than that http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-13#1901850 ☝︎☟︎

asciilifeform: diana_coman: in what sense was the attempt 'out of nothing' ?

asciilifeform: diana_coman: to paraphrase mao, the jury's still out on whether industry was in fact good deal vs horse an' plow

asciilifeform: diana_coman: i am pleased to inform, we have regular blackouts in washingtonistan, despite 0 industry ( combo of 'errybody has air conditioner' , summer, and 19th c.-style pole wiring - winter )

asciilifeform: does anyone recall old thrd where mircea_popescu linked to a youtube clip of some idiot kid smashing up ancient car that his father gave him, 'cuz not mercedes' ? ☟︎

asciilifeform: diana_coman: i must add also that i went for a week to timis, and for 5 days went past fish market, each time finding there 0 fish. apparently shooting the shoemaker did not fix..

a111: Logged on 2019-03-13 15:04 mircea_popescu: guy got shot for realism.

asciilifeform: diana_coman: historic inland peasant may well have easily born and died without eating a fish, tho

a111: Logged on 2019-03-13 16:24 mircea_popescu: diana_coman but ~which people~ ? whole point of industrialization is moving from the traditional to the modern. is the idea that ceausescu is somehow personally responsible for the fact ?

a111: Logged on 2019-03-13 16:23 mircea_popescu: any kind of ro elite was long gone by the time ceausescu came in, he gets to hide behind ye olde "greaua mostenire" trope.

asciilifeform: those lobsters, mircea_popescu , cost 0, they are already invisibly in erry kitchen.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: argument is not that you ought not to want to 'try it at high energy'

asciilifeform: recall story of where asciilifeform ~personally~ described to schwartz how to cut adelberger 100% out of the loop for under what mircea_popescu's bmw costs.

a111: Logged on 2019-03-13 15:18 mircea_popescu: even MORE ironically, one can quite say this was the face of the opposition. (chick married that dork, hence the double name.)

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, as i understand, maps the 'pig' to 'female', but the model is quite same, this is moar of a label on the knobs

asciilifeform: the dichotomy amply documented by mircea_popescu & other folx

a111: Logged on 2017-06-15 14:44 mircea_popescu: dude what is with this djb-ing sexually ambiguous 20something street urchins

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: a++ idea for an eco.

mircea_popescu: diana_coman but ~which people~ ? whole point of industrialization is moving from the traditional to the modern. is the idea that ceausescu is somehow personally responsible for the fact ? ☟︎

diana_coman: also re stale bread vs new bread I disagree mircea_popescu ; people used to make their OWN bread; not stale

mircea_popescu: diana_coman what, the horses ? the "killed elite" thing would be what, i gh duca ? (and guess what, digging for that reference i also ran into -- apparently there's a piece re the afore mentioned prince) ☟︎

asciilifeform: diana_coman: i can't get behind the usual reaction where 'noshit, this is retarded, what didja expect' tho. how the fuck ~else~ do you properly purge an oldregime wot ?

asciilifeform: diana_coman: sounds like replay of early sovok

asciilifeform: diana_coman: plox to expand ?

a111: Logged on 2019-03-13 15:22 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dood was quite unsophisticated, had this very... well, fundamentally a peasant's worldview, deeply optimistic and over-inclined to fit-in-head.

asciilifeform: i gotta agree with mircea_popescu re item -- king with single-engined harem is like boeing on 1 motor

mircea_popescu: suppose we're all us, but we're not us in the following sense(s) : a) we're all married, in the sovok style ; b) we all have sons, about g_l's age ; c) it comes to light that http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-07#1900877 ☝︎

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: through my (admittedly inexpert) lens, d00d loox like archaetypical lion trainer who served up many a cookie but neglected entirely the whip

BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform dood was quite unsophisticated, had this very... well, fundamentally a peasant's worldview, deeply optimistic and over-inclined to fit-in-head. << Well... "Dallas"

asciilifeform: tov. c was quite unlike mircea_popescu in 1 important way , tho -- he neglected the disease until was unmanageable, was - near as i can tell - pretty soft (vs, e.g., stalin), very little 'prophylactic' depantsuiting in his reign

a111: Logged on 2019-03-13 15:04 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they shot the shoemaker, ironically enough, because he was excessively like me for their taste. their principal objections, unvoiced but truthfully and authentically reconstructed, were in order that 1) he sent them to do manual labour, in complete disdain of their self-identification ("we're intellectuals!!!") ; 2) he was unimpressed by the rest of their http://trilema.com/2016/the-next-generation/ hallucinatio

mircea_popescu: even MORE ironically, one can quite say this was the face of the opposition. (chick married that dork, hence the double name.) ☟︎

a111: Logged on 2019-03-12 23:41 mircea_popescu: fwis, trinque already got one being tortured for the past six months ; depending on other workload mebbe BingoBoingo or spyked feel like putting one up also (but very much do not fall into the tarpit of chasing butterflies, from one to the next and catching none, fellas).

spyked: mircea_popescu et al: http://trilema.com/2019/the-freenode-issue/#comment-128290

a111: Logged on 2019-03-12 20:32 diana_coman: learn != reuse code or even tech

a111: Logged on 2019-03-12 18:43 hanbot: http://trilema.com/2019/the-freenode-issue/ << i'm for moving, seeing no compelling reason to stay. pinging asciilifeform ave1 ben_vulpes bingoboingo danielpbarron diana_coman lobbes mod6 phf spyked trinque for inputs.

asciilifeform: would luvv to go back to it, with mircea_popescu's blessing

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: afaik they autorotate'em ( by what satanic principle, i do not know at all )

asciilifeform: not as if i dun regularly come up against same barf as mircea_popescu did this morning

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: so i did

asciilifeform: ohai mircea_popescu

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'd prefer if mircea_popescu picked which horse is healthiest in that glue factory

asciilifeform: hanbot: i'm with trinque on this one -- if we confine the thread to mircea_popescu's www, it will be a very slow thread. i do hope that he finds a working fleanode box to connect to in the meanwhile.

asciilifeform: hanbot: i have 0 to disagree in re the scheme mircea_popescu described on his www . it's exactly what oughta be sewed.

asciilifeform: or , say, take tcp. mircea_popescu aint even a programmer, and is just about as 'clean' as a fella can get in re programming radiation damage and still have worked with comp. but it took asciilifeform 3+yrs to get him to see that tcp is -- by design -- garbage

a111: Logged on 2018-07-21 21:18 trinque: in compounding ironies, I stood up my own ircd_ratbox earlier out of curiosity

asciilifeform: hanbot: this gets complicated. e.g. i put high value on mircea_popescu's pov re programming, even tho he (afaik) moar or less never programs

a111: Logged on 2019-02-04 22:12 mircea_popescu: "most people, when faced with a problem, will not investigate the cause of the problem, but will instead want to solve it because the problem is actually in the way of something more important than figuring out why something suddenly got in their way out of nowhere. if you are a programmer, you may reach for perl at this point, and perl can remove your problem. happy, you go on, but find another problem blocking your way, r

asciilifeform: hanbot: this is fair enuff, and mircea_popescu wrote at length on the subj.

asciilifeform: diana_coman: ever read any varlaam shalamov ?

asciilifeform: diana_coman: i hesitate to say 'no useful'. but possibly 'very little'.

asciilifeform: diana_coman: plox to expand here : what in particular is to be learned ?

asciilifeform: diana_coman: i'll admit that it isn't clear to me how effort put into baking glue for oddball nonstandard ircisms helps in re gossipd . irc as i see it is an entirely dead-end tech ( rides on tcp, and 0 notion of crypto , and cannot be retrofitted really )

asciilifeform: diana_coman et al : i'm also not 100% convinced that the proposed multi-network thing is actually less of a nut to crack than adult gossipd. ( consider, how wouldja do authentication ? the extant ircd's support either '~nuffin, anyone can hijack session' or ssltardism . )

asciilifeform: diana_coman: the central headache afaik is http://trilema.com/2019/the-freenode-issue/#comment-128269 , i.e. the various nets have an idjit user lock-in thing going

a111: Logged on 2018-08-04 22:05 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: iirc i proposed at one time an intermediate item on the way to proper gossipd ( 'serpent'-ciphered tunneler to connect coupla ircd instances to each other, and ditto for users ( get otp cookie a la deedbot, get a key that's good for 1 tcp connect ) but so far instead followed mircea_popescu's advice re not wasting sweat on such a thing, but pushing with ffa so as to get with what to gossipd.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu ( in linked thrd ) dug up a coupla possible 'wheres'. but imho oughta begin with gluing together small net ( with boxen in piz ~and elsewhere~ ) and ~then~ bridge it to public nets.

hanbot: http://trilema.com/2019/the-freenode-issue/ << i'm for moving, seeing no compelling reason to stay. pinging asciilifeform ave1 ben_vulpes bingoboingo danielpbarron diana_coman lobbes mod6 phf spyked trinque for inputs. ☟︎☟︎

deedbot: PeterL rated diana_coman 1 << Wrote eucrypt, keccac implementation, etc. - ossasepia.com

a111: Logged on 2017-07-06 15:09 mircea_popescu: which is how every god damned kid that was sexually abused through the process of socialist schooling (which is all of them -- education is education, and socialist school is definitionally sexual abuse of all children involved) ends up with the idea that newton sat down TO discover whatever he did (unimportant, really) and THEREFORE he did.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: imho half of 'fits in head' is specifically ~refraining~ from gilding the lilies that dun need gilding.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'cacatu de pe bec', that was a mega-piece, i recall

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: djb imho evenmoar shame.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if somebody does compact keccak tonight, i'ma only say thanks

asciilifeform: for the highlighting, i use mircea_popescu's js thing

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a111: Logged on 2019-03-10 23:28 trinque: bvt: diana_coman: I wager that if you change line 14 of scripts/make_portage_tree.sh to the following, my sig will verify on the resulting genesis.vpatch : dest=$pdir/profiles/${src#$bdir/usr/portage/profiles/}

a111: Logged on 2019-03-10 21:39 trinque: scripts/make_portage_tree.sh << line 14, I do string-munging on the path that's specific to my own filesystem layout

a111: Logged on 2019-03-11 10:01 diana_coman: mircea_popescu, in short, the keccak spec in its current form really since it considers input at bit-level and then goes on to mess about with some assumptions at bit-level and some at octet-level and making a lot of confusion without any good reason e.g. http://ossasepia.com/2018/02/08/eucrypt-chapter-9-byte-order-and-bit-disorder-in-keccak/#selection-55.383-63.563 ; one needs to disentangle that and put it in octet-only shape, octet stre

trinque: diana_coman: woohoo! thanks for your help and patience!

asciilifeform: diana_coman: the imports in the asmolade were the 'smoking gun' there

mircea_popescu: diana_coman ima re-read on this an' see.

diana_coman: mircea_popescu, in short, the keccak spec in its current form really since it considers input at bit-level and then goes on to mess about with some assumptions at bit-level and some at octet-level and making a lot of confusion without any good reason e.g. http://ossasepia.com/2018/02/08/eucrypt-chapter-9-byte-order-and-bit-disorder-in-keccak/#selection-55.383-63.563 ; one needs to disentangle that and put it in octet-only shape, octet stre ☟︎☟︎

a111: Logged on 2019-03-09 17:44 mircea_popescu: spyked prolly should redirect to explanation tho. 404 is ambiguous here

trinque: just running scripts/make_portage_tree.sh again oughta be enough.

trinque: bvt: diana_coman: I wager that if you change line 14 of scripts/make_portage_tree.sh to the following, my sig will verify on the resulting genesis.vpatch : dest=$pdir/profiles/${src#$bdir/usr/portage/profiles/} ☟︎☟︎☟︎

mircea_popescu: diana_coman what ended up being the problem then, i'm not getting something here.

trinque: scripts/make_portage_tree.sh << line 14, I do string-munging on the path that's specific to my own filesystem layout ☟︎☟︎

a111: Logged on 2019-03-10 02:44 mircea_popescu: http://bvt-trace.net/2019/03/ffa-chapter-9-homework-comba-in-x86_64-assembly/#selection-15.295-19.176 << why this, specifically ? is there no ada asm calling method besides this ?

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu et al : there are no cstrings in ada, unless one explicitly bakes'em in order to throw to c linked liquishit. all arrays carry their bounds with'em.

diana_coman: mircea_popescu, what is the gain vs having as input octets or words?

mircea_popescu: diana_coman well, apparently it expects to be called with a bitstream, which is a peculiarly inconvenient datastruct in practice.