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mircea_popescu: as an aside, i very much dislike the ambiguous relationship to the republic, along the lines of "check out my son, he got 1st prize in drag racing" / "have you heard what your son's done, he got himself expelled!!!" traditional intramarital passive-agressive idiocy.
diana_coman: the additional thing there being also that some of the deps are really system dependent at least so far so they'd need to be extracted (if possible!) as static libs themselves and bundled up and by the end of it I'll probably end up with tmsr-os I suppose.
mp_en_viaje: but anyway, no point in pre-discussing his. question stands as http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-12#1950585 for a reason and we see later.
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: that's the thing, as I told him after my initial talk on this, the trouble is that it seems to be more of a homework exercise than a system to have.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-12 03:51:20 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-11#1950551 - is this going to diverge then ie there's cuntoo and then there's infectious linux and something else or what? I'm rather confused now as to directions; for that matter and for the forum, there's in principle also jfw's Gales distro if we are at that; I'd rather see the effort focused and coordin
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-11#1950551 - is this going to diverge then ie there's cuntoo and then there's infectious linux and something else or what? I'm rather confused now as to directions; for that matter and for the forum, there's in principle also jfw's Gales distro if we are at that; I'd rather see the effort focused and coordinated by a single ...
auctionbot: Sell order # 1069: Former Pizarro RockChip Plant, no used USB drives; buyer to take possession at his own expense. Notes. Tools In photo are included for scale as the plant as configured requires more than one rack unit of height to mount. Pliers not included in plant, but screwdriver is negotiable. Heard: 1mn from asciilifeform. Ending: 2019-11-15 21:39:12.652465 UTC (83 hours 53 mins)
trinque: I am failing to find the appropriate links as yet.
BingoBoingo: trinque: Already running as S#1074 on Auctionbot with the other servers. I don't know why this gorgeous thing hasn't gotten any bids yet http://bingology.net/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/trinquebeast.jpg Copper Heatsinks!
mp_en_viaje: both lobes reference ~the same "work"~, to boot! this will go down in history as "ustarded summarization", when the authors are so reliant on retarded readership, they will actually write bullet points in direct contradiction to the material with no care or concern.
mp_en_viaje: incidentally, re the organophosphate holocaust, wikipedia is typically logical : "Organophosphate poisoning occurs most commonly as a suicide attempt in farming areas of the developing world and less commonly by accident." ; "OPs are one of the most common causes of poisoning worldwide. There are nearly 3 million poisonings per year resulting in two hundred thousand deaths. Around 15% of people who are poisoned die as a re
BingoBoingo: Anyways, the outgoing government here has described the resignations in Bolivia as "un Golpe de Estado" as though that is a bad thing. Yes, the government got hit. What the fuck is wrong with a government getting hit from time to time?
BingoBoingo: Weev, Anglin, the Heartiste fucker who to this day hasn't fired up his own blog after Automattic booted him... It's a gimme crowd every bit as offensive as the WIC mommies crossing the borders that they bitch about
lobbes: ( my q's were related to my own skillset and not really the project as a whole, so I specifically decided to not ask them in #t )
mp_en_viaje: pretty much life as a micropayments crappy mmorpg, you can "get premium" consisting of... same-crap maybe slightly earlier than you'd be getting it anyway, or packaged in a different color or such
diana_coman: those must be my "other type" ie still shitty but not as shitty as the other; one the nouveau rich and the other the nouveau poor, lolz.
mp_en_viaje: TOWN. it means things. things such as no uppity morons, everyone on the street can read greek, etc. town, you know, urbanity.
diana_coman: and there are 2 main types, with the victorian terraces the shittiest thing possible (they were built specifically as cheap houses for newly "not-servant-but-worker".
hanbot: diana_coman wtf does terraced even mean, as in it has one? or it's been built on a hill and spreads itself like rice paddies?! lol
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-10#1950374 - eh, nice rant and fine on money & figures; still, there are way nicer houses than that shit; "terraced" stands for shit around here but the original thing wasn't classed as terraced either so not sure why pick on that example.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-08 03:00:59 spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-06#1949938 <-- can't say yet whether that'd take 1.5 or 3 months, but... it was my understanding that http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-21#1947274 is a pretty important item. either way, as I've said before, that plan ain't set in stone, any suggestions/guidance on priorities is more than welcome. I [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-23#
mp_en_viaje: the only possible equivalent of 1920s £1 today is notional "infinity", about the same as the market price of a two inch tall naked fairy chained to a fuckstick.
mp_en_viaje: even leaving aside the ~select address~ problem, there's nowhere in england such a thing as a select address can be had in 2020, as opposed to 1920 : the minimum price for the human dwelling'd have to be ~an interpolated~ (for lack of actual such items on the market) 1.5 to 2 million pounds.
mp_en_viaje: meanwhile in great inca lulz : "In 1929, he borrowed £2,000 (equivalent to £104,247 at 2011 prices) from a patient, William Mawhood, and bought an 18-room house called Kent Lodge, in Trinity Trees (then known as Seaside Road), a select address.".
auctionbot: Sell order # 1064: Selling the server formerly known as UY1 no FUCKGOATS, no disks; buyer to take possession at his own expense. Heard: 1mn from diana_coman. Ending: 2019-11-15 21:37:54.887600 UTC (140 hours 33 mins)
mircea_popescu: like one of those sperm-donating cvasi-fish doesn't think you're nearly as important as you think she does. nobody does, because nobody can, because it's NOT POSSIBLE.
mircea_popescu: you were never as important as you think yourself. i don't mean, here. never, anywhere, your mother didn't think you as important as you think she thought you, nobody you ever met, including the stupid cunt you're attached to
mircea_popescu: it's not the case "mp thinks of people as furniture". mp has a lengthy history of ~permitting people to choose~. people choose, sometimes to be furniture. like you chose, systematically and repeatedly, to be furniture. as you are are still choosing, as above. it's not my fucking fault you ~aren't~ more than a sofa -- it's your elaborately constructed self-identity. stop mixing me into it, i didn't make you what you are,
mircea_popescu: i confess it's the most boggling aspect to me at the moment, whence this tendency to mentally compartimentalize the republic. if it's a shitty influence, why bother with it. and if it isn't a shitty influence, as it damn well isn't, then why not USE it for all it's worth.
ave1: it's all consuming at the moment, but so far as I can see the future should be better halfway next year
auctionbot: Sell order # 1066: Selling the server formerly used as S.MG Production with FUCKGOATS, no disks; buyer to take possession at his own expense. Heard: 5mn from asciilifeform. Ending: 2019-11-15 21:38:28.450290 UTC (163 hours 30 mins)
auctionbot: Sell order # 1069 created by BingoBoingo: Former Pizarro RockChip Plant, no used USB drives; buyer to take possession at his own expense. Notes. Tools In photo are included for scale as the plant as configured requires more than one rack unit of height to mount. Pliers not included in plant, but screwdriver is negotiable. Opening: 1mn ecu Ending: 2019-11-15 21:39:12.652465 UTC (167 hours)
BingoBoingo: !Xsell 1mn 168 Former Pizarro RockChip Plant, no used USB drives; buyer to take possession at his own expense. Notes. Tools In photo are included for scale as the plant as configured requires more than one rack unit of height to mount. Pliers not included in plant, but screwdriver is negotiable.
auctionbot: Sell order # 1066 created by BingoBoingo: Selling the server formerly used as S.MG Production with FUCKGOATS, no disks; buyer to take possession at his own expense. Opening: 5mn ecu Ending: 2019-11-15 21:38:28.450290 UTC (167 hours)
BingoBoingo: !Xsell 5mn 168 Selling the server formerly used as S.MG Production with FUCKGOATS, no disks; buyer to take possession at his own expense.
auctionbot: Sell order # 1064 created by BingoBoingo: Selling the server formerly known as UY1 no FUCKGOATS, no disks; buyer to take possession at his own expense. Opening: 1mn ecu Ending: 2019-11-15 21:37:54.887600 UTC (167 hours)
BingoBoingo: !Xsell 1mn 168 Selling the server formerly known as UY1 no FUCKGOATS, no disks; buyer to take possession at his own expense.
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-06#1949938 <-- can't say yet whether that'd take 1.5 or 3 months, but... it was my understanding that http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-21#1947274 is a pretty important item. either way, as I've said before, that plan ain't set in stone, any suggestions/guidance on priorities is more than welcome. I [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-23#
ericbot: Logged on 2019-11-08 02:45:51 mircea_popescu: i guess i didn't make myself very clear. the ~displayer~, python-based as opposed to apache based, has no future.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-07 22:09:38 lobbes: on the subject of "blog-logger" in general, I do see merits. For e.g., as a matter of course the issue of echoing log lines will need to be resolved. If that resolution ends up leveraging the server-side selection, then this opens the door to the quoting articles ~in general~ into IRC
mircea_popescu: i guess i didn't make myself very clear. the ~displayer~, python-based as opposed to apache based, has no future.
lobbes: on the subject of "blog-logger" in general, I do see merits. For e.g., as a matter of course the issue of echoing log lines will need to be resolved. If that resolution ends up leveraging the server-side selection, then this opens the door to the quoting articles ~in general~ into IRC
BingoBoingo: The local commie pick for next econ minister if they win is promising "to continue increasing Uruguay's economic stability" as though stability is not the road to death and bad fruit
mircea_popescu: as it turns out, modern economy takes 3 women teams at a minimum.
mircea_popescu: it'll prolly come out as a much greater addition to the world than the remainder of this discussion.
ossabot: (asciilifeform) 2019-10-28 asciilifeform: if mp wants to throw out the people who are his hands, like used candy wrappers, it's b/w him and odin, i have no power to persuade him of anyffin. but it remains the case that i'm fully equipped to provide machine service to my l1 folx who want it. and w/ very short turnaround. all service req's are to be gpg'd to asciilifeform, and posted here. will use deedbot for so long as able, then will have to make other ar
diana_coman: I am maintaining the logger and I intend to maintain it but any further development can happen only when I get some pages finally up to speed to help as I really don't have currently ~any time left to sink in that.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: review as in finally being able to actually benchmark the server and get some concrete idea as to what it needs ; as a result it might be a new machine, yes.
mircea_popescu: on trilema/s xmlrpc.php as a private fix (which still dun work correctly, for some yet undiscovered reason spaces get eaten), but anyways, select should output no empty e.
mircea_popescu: review as in get a new machine ?
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-06#1949915 - preference is for AMD arch as easiest & more familiar to deploy on & work with; that being said, if no AMD available, will go with Intel; for concrete specs, the current server is rather undemanding and it ran fine on fx-8350 eg something like this should work absolutely fine.
lobbes: the 'pingback linkback' selector is still suffering from the strip-spaces bug whaack found in the xmlrpc.php, but as that is outside of the scope of the logotron tree I figure that can wait for another day and this bot can be put to bed.
lobbes: mircea_popescu: before I commit this fix to a patch, do the excerpts on these comments look saner to you as well? http://blog.ericbenevides.com/2019/11/generic-pingback-target/#comment-134
mircea_popescu: ie, contemplated os ownership is a matter of pure committment. what the world is looking for, today as in the days of the venerable bede, and then as the first day, is people. the sort who commit.
mircea_popescu: now as to the client, that's a larger ball of yarn. if i have no serious static goal to contemplate, ima nix decrufting effort, because why bother make it static.
mircea_popescu: trinque, userland, as for client ? or as for server ? these are distinct concerns for s.mg
mircea_popescu: as a factual matter, stock'll have to be taken, we can't just pretend lalala and keep sending people to do impossible things.
mircea_popescu: then again, without an isp our efforts are just as unsustainable on the other end of the scale, i'm not discovering some sorta novelty here.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-23 13:40:36 mp_en_viaje: for as long as your mentality stays "amateur dabbler in tmsr", i stay uninterested.
mircea_popescu: there's still zero interest in whatever flavour of the day bullshit, "liferaft" or w/e halfassery is to be called this week, "software as is" whatevers.
BingoBoingo: For the value of the dell badge, I will however make an earnest effort o sell the mod6/TBF server in the local market as a sorta prop that can go into a sufficiently deep wifi rack.
BingoBoingo: The reason to place myself as buyer of last resort is to pre-empt later objections that X item located at the ass end of the world has a concrete value. If it did the objector had the chance to bid.
BingoBoingo: When I walk later I'll weigh what I'll stake of my own coin as the buyer of last resort on it.
BingoBoingo: trinque: Shipping FUCKGOATS won't be anywhere near as awful in pricing as 1U servers.
trinque: BingoBoingo: as for liquidating my stuff, I wouldn't mind getting a FG or two out of the deal if it can be swung
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-06 11:37:43 mircea_popescu: and you verified you can actually deploy this proto cuntoo on various hw, so we're good here : as to 1, smg will use proto-cutnoo until can switch to cuntoo ; and meanwhile ima see what trinque has to say re cuntoo and try to get bvt to patch against it and so on
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/11/usg-syria-withdrawal-a-lie-as-usg-garrisons-hold-syrian-oil-fields/ << Qntra -- USG Syria Withdrawal A Lie As USG Garrisons Hold Syrian Oil Fields
mircea_popescu: in fact, that alone's a sufficient winning strategy : tagging stupidity with as much cost as at all possible's all that's really needed.
BingoBoingo: Proposed Pizarro auctions will be published in a few hours with the aim of firing off auction opening commands Friday. Auction opening prices will be done with the reserve as the coin I, personally, am willing to pay for ownership of the auctioned items and lots of items.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'm working on a plan for #agriculturalsupremacy as a castle, but its still too raw to present as a default option on the level of what diana_coman and hanbot can offer.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, not that she shouldn' t be in there or anything ; but there's #hanbot, might as well make two of these seeing how yours seems to work
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-29 09:46:27 mp_en_viaje: with diana_coman as to the future strategy of s.mg (which normally'd belong in eulora, i suppose, but honestly might as well happen here, not like there's any traffic jam or anything) ; and of course with diana_coman hanbot trinque BingoBoingo lobbes spyked bvt ave1 as to what exactly we still want and we can in fact support going forward.
mircea_popescu: aite, well, not like there's any games one can play (i fucking looked, i'm back to playing antique 2000 era stuff, steam's dead, kongregate's dead, everything's fucking dead. half the links on mmorpg.com lead to dead / domain for sale / nonsense items, the other half to steam crap, it's just... gaming's fucking dead, everyone just clucks on derpy facebook fake traffic numbers generators, as fucking if 5k reloads/second
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: the production server has been running before and it can run again as it is; the issue there is really the one concerning access to the code if we just put it ~anywhere.
mircea_popescu: is the stuff in a shape you want running publicly as we stand ?
mircea_popescu: now as to 4 : i'd obviously like the server back up as soon as possibru.
diana_coman: I don't use that init command but at any rate, it's fine as far as I looked at it first pass
diana_coman: I still had to dive into CS's "shaders" and so at least I know better what those are and how they come into play but that can be written up as it is and taken from there
diana_coman: at any rate, my current understanding for S.MG is that it will proceed with what there is and as such the bulk of work stems mainly from the graphics & ironing out the smg comms + new client (plenty there to do but at least I know what I'm looking at)
ossabot: Logged on 2019-07-21 08:57:32 diana_coman: hm, current vtools still don't handle move of files or what am I missing here? I made a simple test with moving one file to a different location and as far as I can see, it's still delete + create, no move
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: not as far as I know; it was always *not done* but always popping up in people's memory as "working"; except every time I wanted to *move* a file rather than have it del/add, it turned out that ...no.
mircea_popescu: next item, moving files in v ?! WHAT THE FUCK phf fixed this as the only thing he did in like 3 years.
diana_coman: my thought was that if *that* was done, the above bootstrapping thing would have ended up getting more attention and thus possibly moving on as well; but this is why I said possibly outside S.MG scope
mircea_popescu: the way this is going is that serious player will have dedicated box for eurlora anyways. there's little diff between disk and ram for as long as one uses dedicated box.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-01-13 09:29:50 mircea_popescu: ad interim the draft is, that the client stores all the keys (rsa, serpent, whatever) one per line, the rsa ones in republican format, the rest unspecified as of yet, in a file called keys.tmsr encrypted by the rsa key of the client.
diana_coman: the draft is all there is as far as I know
mircea_popescu: or if only people would start running in general, as opposed to the current decerebrated snailcircle. w/e.
mircea_popescu: gotta consider the environment such as it is.
diana_coman: and otherwise there is no point to using cs on server as far as I can see; wtf does the server need a graphics engine
diana_coman: to answer your q as stated: I can move it but it will take a lot of effort and time (atm I don't have a clear estimate for it but I doubt it's less than a month given all deps)
mircea_popescu: as far as just the server is concerned, does it even use cs for anything ?
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: are we fine with cs as-is on client side? there are 2 aspects there: 1. dynamically linked 2. the dependency on jam/ftjam and all that
mircea_popescu: and you verified you can actually deploy this proto cuntoo on various hw, so we're good here : as to 1, smg will use proto-cutnoo until can switch to cuntoo ; and meanwhile ima see what trinque has to say re cuntoo and try to get bvt to patch against it and so on
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-06 11:31:53 mircea_popescu: can you boot the server as things stand at all ?
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: atm as they are none will boot because none are fully statically linked.
mircea_popescu: can you boot the server as things stand at all ?
mircea_popescu: can you actually boot the server on cuntoo as things stand ?
mircea_popescu: the choice before me here is strictly to either a) tell bvt to desist, as the kernel is too cool to be touched by our derpy hands ; or else b) have some kinda process to use custom, bespoke, patched kernels.
mircea_popescu: then as need be use either the historical fg, an upgraded item, or basically speaking ~anything else.
mircea_popescu: more broadly what i'm thinking to do is let bvt continue his work on kernelization, because a) the current kernel randomness code is pure shit and b) using a serial interface as the standard is perfectly fine