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BingoBoingo: nicoleci: Or for picking the flavor with Gnome
as the desktop. The gnome folks drive much of the "linux gets worse every year" mess that makes a tmsr os rather high on the list of necessities.
ossabot: Logged on 2017-04-19 11:33:43 mircea_popescu: the problem with this is that it won't allow you to see engineer-politicians, which is ALSO not compartimentalizable : it will force you to beedog, ie, not become
as good
as expression and telling women's original haircolor
as you could, on the basis of your genetics say, actually be.
mircea_popescu: i dunno where all this spitting's happening ; i also dunno why you're so committed to poor quality communication
as an ongoing thing, but at this point whatevers. be back when you're back and all that.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-21 06:42:27 mircea_popescu: it seems to me that the only possible definition of "an os"
as counterdistinct from "an app" is : a ~general purpose~ collection of software tooling which ~agnostically~
as to ulterior apps exposes fundamental, inherent functionality and limitation (mostly driven by the very hardware) in an universal, principled way.
diana_coman: trinque: nobody knew what you were doing and that's the problem
as far
as I see it, not the timeframe.
hanbot: s such a thing
as general reason, the role of people towards machines being the translation between the two, in the first place.
hanbot: i don't know what's wrong with conceiving an os from the known universe at the time of its conception. you have a manifest of ideals and ideas in there,
as you necessarily do in your head, and when it changes you're stuck patching. the os should be for a cause, then, but i don't know why the cause(s) can't be explicitly stated, and structured, so you have a tree of reason and not just results. there's no such thing
as general purpose, but there i
hanbot: inasmuch
as you can't ever completely specify the future, an attempt to state the purpose of an operating system is doomed to fail either by getting something wrong, or by self-limiting solely for the sake of avoiding the first failure prong. i don't see a third path. if honestly all you wanted the os to do was peel eggs you'd make an egg peeler application, not a kitchen; an "egg peeler os" is the second failure prong, even if it's gloriously fr
diana_coman: if I'm to see it
as "os for a purpose", then I go full way and it's really machine-for-a-purpose, from hardware up, everything; basically there is no universal computer at all in reality, only various degrees of trying to fit an average (at best) to all sorts of outliers.
mircea_popescu: moreover, that the end result will be the "discovery" (which of course "nobody could have predicted",
as ethical failure ever goes) of the... need for... an os, at the "core" of all these apps. basically we'd just be moving the goalposts, after spending however long making "an os, you mean an app" we'd discover all we get for our trouble is the need to rename our os an app and write an actual os, ie, back at square one
mircea_popescu: it seems to me that the only possible definition of "an os"
as counterdistinct from "an app" is : a ~general purpose~ collection of software tooling which ~agnostically~
as to ulterior apps exposes fundamental, inherent functionality and limitation (mostly driven by the very hardware) in an universal, principled way.
mircea_popescu: trinque, looky here, i have a job that needs done and a bunch of people who are interested in helpinh with it. for the past month i've been considering you to run the doing, however
as i sit here i still don't know if you are or are not going to. you've not yet put out a plan for it, you've not said if you will, you've not set a date for it, you're just making occasional, impredictable and ~useless drive-bys
diana_coman: I've moved ossasepia.com to 85.25.134.66 where I hope it will stay for longer really; please update hosts files accordingly and sorry for the repeated moves; I've updated DNS records too but those might take a while,
as they do.
lobbes: mircea_popescu: In trial-by-fire updates, it turns out that mp-wp appears to barf on unicode such
as " 😀 "
nicoleci: diana_coman, yup. and they went
as far
as blocking the IP
mircea_popescu: it can't stand
as you have it atm, the leftmost column throughout the table.
mircea_popescu: but yes, it's a concept from game theory, mosty
as an cybernetics application, because people writing programs to power droid fights or whatever need to put something in the if statements, and that something's better be a scalar. this makes no particular sense besides serving that need, and so it became a tongue in cheek reference for "if one had to assign arbitrary scalar values to so and so thing"
spyked: ave1, afaik the term is game-theoretical, i.e. given some "game" scenario involving partial information, where the agent can receive some payoff depending on its actions, it can in principle evaluate an "expected" payoff for some particular actions. since the info is partial, I'm reading "expected" here
as "the most likely to occur". but I'd be curious to see a formal definition
as well.
mircea_popescu: i understand the abstract appeal of, "look here, hash1=hash2". but what this means is things such
as "it is not possible to have a timestamp. AT ALL." sure, in many cases timestamps are abused / fucking stupid. but this is not "many cases", this is AT ALL.
mircea_popescu: it's not even clear to me, to take this
as far in theory
as it goes, that once we have a literal by-hand re-written compiler it'll be absolutely deterministic. at some point it becomes a question of "branch binaries by X or carry Y spare MB with each binary"
mircea_popescu:
as to fixed binary output...i expect that'll take a whole lot of doing, there's mucho "intelligence" baked in even that comparatively early gcc ver
ave1:
As for current status, I have a big patch file that works
as part of the build scripts. So the genesis is feasible. I could also put the build scripts (and other dependencies) in the genesis but this would need to be discussed in light of the OS setup.
ave1: Good point, I don't know yet. I was think to remove these before the genesis
as the whole thing ways in at 300mb or so. Plus, java and go don't even work
as is.
mircea_popescu: re documentation, it's an iffy proposition dropping any, seeing how little there actually is ; then again it's an iffy proposition keeping any, seeing how dubiously unreliable it can get. what's it bother
as it stands ?
ave1:
As to ownership, I can own gcc 4.9 and would like to work with trinque et. al. on this. The problem here is limited time, so my primary input can be information/communication at this point.
diana_coman: ftr I asked him to publish that precisely
as a prerequisite to come and ask for feedback & help to grow it, that's all.
BingoBoingo: Well, the line for the drag folks seems to hae disappeared
as the dreamer pods started filling...
mircea_popescu: yeah, but they generally understand it's performative art, they don't go home
as if going to sleep. they go home
as if waking up.
diana_coman: couldn't reject it,
as it was plenty valid but...tooo old!!
diana_coman: unless you want to visit London
as I'd much more gladly pay your ticket than paying Fedex for that matter.
mircea_popescu: neways,
as it turns out on the autopsy table, management's plan to build perceived market value in the fuckgoats through running republican isp delivered, ~twenny bux of fuckgoats trades for about a hundy in the exact environment a nominal hundred dubaloos worth of generic hardware trades for like twenty. five this way and five that way, not half bad.
auctionbot: Sell order # 1069 has ENDED: Former Pizarro RockChip Plant, no used USB drives; buyer to take possession at his own expense. Notes. Tools In photo are included for scale
as the plant
as configured requires more than one rack unit of height to mount. Pliers not included in plant, but screwdriver is negotiable. SOLD to asciilifeform for 1mn ecu. Attn: BingoBoingo
auctionbot: Sell order # 1066 has ENDED: Selling the server formerly used
as S.MG Production with FUCKGOATS, no disks; buyer to take possession at his own expense. SOLD to asciilifeform for 11mn ecu. Attn: BingoBoingo
auctionbot: Sell order # 1064 has ENDED: Selling the server formerly known
as UY1 no FUCKGOATS, no disks; buyer to take possession at his own expense. SOLD to diana_coman for 1mn ecu. Attn: BingoBoingo
auctionbot: Sell order # 1066: Selling the server formerly used
as S.MG Production with FUCKGOATS, no disks; buyer to take possession at his own expense. Heard: 11mn from asciilifeform outbidding jfw. Ending: 2019-11-15 21:38:28.450290 UTC (0 hours 2 mins)
diana_coman: more centralized might be a better description I guess; I mean "more organised" in the sense that it's quite straightforward otherwise but possibly it's just
as straightforward in Uruguay too.
auctionbot: Sell order # 1066: Selling the server formerly used
as S.MG Production with FUCKGOATS, no disks; buyer to take possession at his own expense. Heard: 10mn from jfw outbidding asciilifeform. Ending: 2019-11-15 21:38:28.450290 UTC (0 hours 44 mins)
auctionbot: Sell order # 1064: Selling the server formerly known
as UY1 no FUCKGOATS, no disks; buyer to take possession at his own expense. Opening: 1mn ecu Leading Bid: 1mn ecu Ending: 2019-11-15 21:37:54.887600 UTC (0 hours 49 mins)
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-13 19:10:45 mircea_popescu: meanwhile in glorious timewastes,
space arena! never was the true substance&tragedy of design
as a cvasi-rational process so well captured in so little trapping! rarely will one find such a gem of a game, either! it's purrrfect.
diana_coman: ahahha, I don't recall it but it does fit his utterings
as I got to read them otherwise, for sure.
mircea_popescu: in the end, the doom of self-expression
as a ~default~ activity, occuring ~in the absence of understanding~ ; and the power of understanding dervied thereby, to actually inhibit action very much stands
as the exact definition of the tragedy of human condition. a trite point, at that.
diana_coman: I suppose I'd call it along the lines of "give them hope it works"; because it's also quite the only way it can work given the other side of "make idiocy cost more" - for
as long
as there is hope, the cost will be happily paid.
mircea_popescu: in other news, i'm considering getting an upgrade for mp-wp, wherein comments marked
as spam are displayed for
as long
as the ip they were made from is loading the page
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, "
As documented on this blog, undertaking the remains of Pizarro has continued,
as documented on this blog."
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-14 06:05:06 mircea_popescu: dorion, you know, your article skips over the most interesting parts. i can sorta-kinda fill in a sentence like "The bank prevented us from dealing directly with clients in our country of residence 2
as the brokers were never required to obtain any sort of securities license." thus curing it into standing ; but i suspect i might be the ~only one.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-14 06:05:06 mircea_popescu: dorion, you know, your article skips over the most interesting parts. i can sorta-kinda fill in a sentence like "The bank prevented us from dealing directly with clients in our country of residence 2
as the brokers were never required to obtain any sort of securities license." thus curing it into standing ; but i suspect i might be the ~only one.
diana_coman:
http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-13#1951120 - currently I would go with the e5-2620; not only on larger ram & more threads aspect but also because looking at what is available otherwise, it seems to me that this at least hits on the "widely available" even more than the e3, esp in the longer term; fwiw yest I looked at what servers I could source here
as well and sourcing AMDs seems to be mainly an American thing.
mircea_popescu: dorion, you know, your article skips over the most interesting parts. i can sorta-kinda fill in a sentence like "The bank prevented us from dealing directly with clients in our country of residence 2
as the brokers were never required to obtain any sort of securities license." thus curing it into standing ; but i suspect i might be the ~only one.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in glorious timewastes,
space arena! never was the true substance&tragedy of design
as a cvasi-rational process so well captured in so little trapping! rarely will one find such a gem of a game, either! it's purrrfect.
diana_coman: it's ok, now I see where I had it wrong, got confused re start/end on the RK; it's fine
as it is, thank you BingoBoingo
diana_coman: at the end of the day, if I get a rack or whatevers next to me, I can just
as well plonk a server in there
trinque: more the merrier, to a point. so long
as it's *directed* effort
trinque: I think it's beneficial to have the thing able to run
as a livecd, with option to install.
mircea_popescu: in fairness, game
as it stands works fine w/o acceleration anyways. so it's a lot more portable in practice than the theoretical extension.
mircea_popescu: now,
as to the putative customer approach : i dun specifically want to make a new os for every single app we come up with. i'd like to make one and be done with it, such that minigame can use it, trb can use it, everyone can fucking use it.
mircea_popescu: i dun think you're a lazy man. currently i think you grew up in a house with a lot of door slamming
as a rhetorical device, but that's really neither here nor there.
mircea_popescu: trinque, there's large gaps between what's actually said and what you construe what's said to mean on the uptake ; and there's similarily large gaps between what you actually say and what you expect it to be taken
as, on the rebound.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-11-12 13:51:42 mircea_popescu: and
as to the "bois etc" -- is very well fucking earned. the logs since
http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-06#1950066 ie a week ago are sorely missing a "trinque: yeah, I WILL DO THAT". or an equally clear, "no, i won't do that". this is what separates the bois from the men : FIRM committments.
mircea_popescu: not like you're not gonna be stuck maintaing this forever anyway, so... migh
as well :D
lobbes: it posts the raw IRC lines to the blog article
as it sees them, yes
mircea_popescu: ok.
as a preliminary step, ima publish old logs on trilema, so they're in the db, so they get transferred automatically.
mircea_popescu: only
as a temporary measure if anything. help them build a solid basis upon which to properly disdain the engineers.
mircea_popescu: i think either line can be pursued, either we attach you to whoever's in charge
as an administrative trainee or else you get piecemeal tasks on the tech side.
mircea_popescu: dorion, is your interest rather in the pm side of things ? or are you tryina learn how to code
as well ?
jfw: good then. Is there a particular level of time commitment you're looking for on the OS project
as far
as manpower?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-12 03:51:20 diana_coman:
http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-11#1950551 - is this going to diverge then ie there's cuntoo and then there's infectious linux and something else or what? I'm rather confused now
as to directions; for that matter and for the forum, there's in principle also jfw's
Gales distro if we are at that; I'd rather see the effort focused and coordin
dorion: mircea_popescu point taken, thank you. jfw reviewing the contract, Gales Linux is described
as your original software, but I don't know the legal standing of that claim.
jfw: it strikes me
as wasteful.
jfw: people can claim things, but the facts
as I understand them are that I developed the system on my own, and they did not purchase any ownership in it.
mircea_popescu: it's not an idle question on my part. there's actually reflected in the very history of the republic
as logged, the case of some dude showing up years later to push ridoinculous claims. look for grubbles sometime.
jfw:
as I understand V, he who operates the computer owns the code
jfw: Not
as yet; first priority was to make it public, see if there was any interest
jfw: I would think it's 1,
as perhaps the driver could be made to work with massive compatibility layers but then the distro wouldn't look much like it does now.
mircea_popescu: in case 1, you know for a fact it won't be possible to have gfx with your thing, it has to be thrown out / redone / the thing that can do gfx can't carry the same name
as your thing meaningfully.
jfw: far
as I know you would
mircea_popescu: do i have to throw out gales if i decide to use graphics
as a given necessity or don't i
mircea_popescu: so
as a purely theoretical exericse, what'd gaining x support entail iyo ?
jfw: tweaking the 'menuconfig' is what that would look like
as far
as kernel components
jfw: I've manually done a linux kconfig,
as one might on gentoo w/o genkernel
jfw: so, was not originally intended
as training tool I think is what I'm saying.
dorion: mircea_popescu I'm present
as well, able to fill in where needed.
mircea_popescu: so it's basically a training tool,
as far
as that goes, a didactic example
mircea_popescu: the republic can't be used in ANY OTHER WAY. eminently, it CAN NOT be used
as ANY KIND of "how to stay stupid" guide. nor will this fundamental inadherence ever be capable of being turned around, "oh, mp is a meaniehead, stupidity is where it's at". nor ANYTHING other than the intended fucking purpose.