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mircea_popescu: anyway. nabt = not a bad thing.
Framedragger: i guess the scanned banners could go into a separate "scans" table with timestamps / scan event numbers, so that one could JOIN and check multiple banners for ip, especially when i plan to later re-scan everything again, etc.
Framedragger: i guess as long as everything's stored in a sane manner and format, it's no big diff.
Framedragger: the later "rescan" only added previously-unseen IPs, + new IPs. same ip was never scanned twice, assuming it already spat out a banner and pubkey the first time.
Framedragger: imma dump all this in a nice format now, i'll separate OS string from ssh versionstring i guess
Framedragger: btw i'm going thru those ssh banners from ssh scan logs finally, and there's some inconsistent crap there (thanks openssh): same ip&port may respond with two different banners during same scan (the ssh-keyscan utility may spit banners for same server multiple times). it seems usually the mismatch is in adding a minor version onto ssh server string only (e.g. [SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_5.8] vs. older [SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_5.8p2])
Framedragger: (a rather decent bitcoin invoicing interface btw)
BingoBoingo suggests relaxing session of whittling with a sawzall to clear mind, shame microfiche can't be clearsigned.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-12 03:46 phf: fwiw that solution works reasonably with btcbase (right now it's not used, but it picks up a README from each patches folder and cats it inline before the graph, so i can add a "here's all the additional stuff that you might need for this v tree")
asciilifeform: i considered making, by hand, a v-able netlist, with component values etc. , in sexpr format, for a nonexistent tmsr cad. the real problem is that everyone, without exception and including myself, will insist on viewing the 'unofficial' pictoral schematic.
mircea_popescu: including data with the code is a nightmare not least because it puts state into things
phf: it didn't but even mp-wp has a bunch of admin interface images. magnifying glass, scissors, that sort of stuff
mircea_popescu: (i've been running into a version fo this in eulora too ; with the art assets)
mircea_popescu: bundling data with code is a serious problem ; the v model brings it in a very sharp focus
phf: fwiw that solution works reasonably with btcbase (right now it's not used, but it picks up a README from each patches folder and cats it inline before the graph, so i can add a "here's all the additional stuff that you might need for this v tree") ☟︎
mod6: That said, I'm not positive what is a favorable solution to this. For me, I guess I would have considered a disjointed genesis. All code in a genesis.vpatch, plus a comment in the code or README.txt file that points to a clearsigned, base64 encoded deed of the (repeatably extractabale) binary (image in this case).
mod6: All in all, I agree that blobs do not belong in a vpatch. As stated, they are for readable, grokable, text only.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-12 02:58 phf: this is more like watching a millenarian speak on a subject of his avocation than anything else
a111: Logged on 2016-12-12 02:51 phf: i will flatten this shit, or help me god. so far the solution i figured that doesn't require writing code or using dodgy third party software is to use the video as a material texture inside a sphere in blender. with some 3d space camera shuffling i can produce two separate video streams, one of knuth and one of slides, but the result looks like dog so far.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-12 02:00 shinohai: During Festivus, for every key phuctored a router gets its wings
mircea_popescu: dude wtf, can't just have a text transcript ?
asciilifeform: phf: if you get a usable output, plz consider posting.
phf: this is more like watching a millenarian speak on a subject of his avocation than anything else ☟︎
phf: i will flatten this shit, or help me god. so far the solution i figured that doesn't require writing code or using dodgy third party software is to use the video as a material texture inside a sphere in blender. with some 3d space camera shuffling i can produce two separate video streams, one of knuth and one of slides, but the result looks like dog so far. ☟︎
asciilifeform: 'By using a computer mouse, or by tilting a smartphone or tablet, participants will be able to individually control the video angle and experience 360-degree viewing.'
asciilifeform: now if only there were also a way to pump the unwashed student's armpit flavour into my office also !!
asciilifeform: '“This year, our Learning Innovation team is going to be piloting the use of a new virtual reality 360-degree video camera that will actually allow all those people tuning in over the internet to attend the lecture as if they were physically in the auditorium,”'
phf: in some usable format (short of installing google chrome of course) and so far "transcoding with a deskew shader" seems like the most viable option ???
phf: so stanford release knuth's annual lecture in a "360" video format, and the write up is disgusting "stanford part of the future!!1". basically you get a 7gib video/80mib audio stream, a fraction of which is a distorted slides and knuth, where's the bulk of which is audience and static ceiling. the thing doesn't render on anything but google stack and ipads. i spent about two days jumping through various hoops trying to get it to render
shinohai: During Festivus, for every key phuctored a router gets its wings ☟︎
mircea_popescu: i don't specifically care, myself, but i can't seem to bring any argument that'd stand when someone decides "fuck him, he's a microsoft tool".
mircea_popescu: so in short : no, it's not ok to take microsoft money. human trafficking money, the proceeds of sales of endangered baby panda tears, the ransom paid for the return of obama's kidnapped daughters, all that is a-ok.
asciilifeform: i was not going to expand on the 'p' thread until the proggy is done, but this is probably a good time to say 1 more ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: it is not so hard to buy people, without even saying a word;
Framedragger: ohno he received a cheque from microshit??? that hitler!! cmon now.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-11#1581840 << i dunno that he even bothers to pretend, he is a confessed recipient of microshit cheques ☝︎
ben_vulpes: either i remember a decrypted clearsign's hash not matching or am inventing the memory
trinque: --decrypt gives you a freshly resquashed turd your machine never saw before.
mircea_popescu: trinque at the very least a result here could be where you machine-verify that X item deedbotted is equal to X' v-item through the process of a) X valid clearsigned b) X' valid detach0igned c) X = preprocessor(X')
mircea_popescu: trinque the clearsign iirc is a stricter operation ; but plenty of signedtxts emerge untouched from both processes.
trinque: so then if I've got a sig of an un-transformed item in ML, it may contain things the transformer would've stripped/modified if it were clearsigned
trinque: so then the original item would have to have been detach-signed with line endings already mangled to get a clearsigned version that'd verify
asciilifeform: to verify a sig, you feed ptron this VALID PROGRAM ^ -- which creates the pubkey in memory -- and then on top of that, the sigogram
mircea_popescu: trinque mind that there'\s a loose cr/lf spuriously at the end of plaintext payload
mircea_popescu: ("find the longest ascii file so that a) lzw compression is under 1% and b) the encryption scheme therein discussed is trivially breakable)
asciilifeform: anyway there are other important aspects (e.g., a pubkey looks like:
asciilifeform: and yes this is a prog language where all ops are 1 character of an american kbd
asciilifeform: and also anything found in a ( )
mircea_popescu: trinque theoretically at least it should be just transform the binary sig into a plaintext packet and glue it in.
asciilifeform: thereby you get a stateless hexbignumreader
asciilifeform: 'z' simply puts a 0 on the stack, and if ptron sees 0-9 or A-F it shoves the 0 leftward 4 bits, and stuffs in the nibble in place
asciilifeform: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/DYPuN/?raw=true << simple example, verification of a signature using public modulus entered 'by hand'
asciilifeform: trinque: it is a very simple thing, think 'rpn calculator' and you almost have it. ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: but i don't see a good argument for fucking it but not to deaoth
mircea_popescu: i suspect we just write a convertor.
asciilifeform: maybe it has a clean answer.
asciilifeform: i dunno if there exists upon this cursed earth a rope that doesn't break when i go and pull on it...
asciilifeform: which brings back to #1 horror -- how do i deedbot a vpatch and its sig..?
mircea_popescu: it'd be too fucking easy a hole for adlais to slither into.
asciilifeform: a 'everyone scrolls past when reading' turd does NOT belong in v.
mircea_popescu: yeah. but do you agree the actual problem is the lack of a tmsr-cad ? as far as "right things" go ?
asciilifeform: simply that i am stuck in this corner, where there is a thing that needs doing, that i do not have with what to do.
mircea_popescu: give me something other than a 5mb dxf to work with, as per this "Short when i wrote it" ?
mircea_popescu: at this point i'm not at all clear what problem you're trying to solve here, but it seems to have become "i wish to pack an arbitrarily long poem into an arbitrarily short notation in such a way it will never be forgotten."
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: png is a bitmap format! where does it ask for www turd? can haz snippet ?
asciilifeform: i do not want to sign a 'insert usg turd here!' even if theoretically the instruction is not followed on extant renderer
asciilifeform: libpng doesn't ask for a turd from the www afaik !
mircea_popescu: i have nfi, you won't fix your set-up so you can see how great a svg i made out of your dxf!
asciilifeform: and ftr i am not signing a document that i am supposed to be the original author of but CANNOT GET TO HAPPEN ON MY BOX
mircea_popescu: ill report in a sec, machine currently hosed painting the svg over 200k x 200k canvas
asciilifeform: it is more or less as simple as a schematic gets in life
asciilifeform: <path d="M 74.1479 74.5402 A 0.03174909447527987 0.03174909447527987 0 0 1 74.103 74.4953 " stroke-width="0.0635"/>
asciilifeform: i am NOT signing 2+MB of <path d="M 74.336 74.2623 A 0.03178446947803285 0.03178446947803285 0 0 1 74.381 74.3072 " stroke-width="0.0635"/>
trinque: I am discussing a supposed tmsr sign format that does not have but a header and payload
asciilifeform: ok now say to me how to vify a schematic.
trinque: problem one is not a problem
asciilifeform: b) svg apparently is not a standard
asciilifeform: a) 2MB crapaola, i'm not signing
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform get a working gimp ? i dunno what to say. mine eats it, i am looking at a 1960x2490 version of it atm, looks fine
trinque: what's the problem with a P sig header appearing inside another ?
mircea_popescu: a sec
mircea_popescu: gimme a minute.
asciilifeform: i will illustrate: yes, cad proggy can export netlist. but said netlist has no provisions for describing a) part valus (e.g., you get C10, and no place for '0.47uF') or the geometries of the physical chips (you get, e.g., IO1-15 but way to say 'that's pin 44 of a pqfp-44 plastic thinleadc carrier)
asciilifeform: that'd entail a tmsr cad.
mircea_popescu: while xml is shit, it's not directly clear that the correct move here isn't, eg, to make a tmsr-cad format.
phf: so my proposed "put everything into prelude" solution preserves the literacy angle, and uses prelude as a "annotation" section, i.e. space for verbiage, supporting material etc. this will work for free with things like btcbase. can also pack it into a tar file and sign ~that~, but breaks a lot of tools
mircea_popescu: ie, the reason koch-gpg-clearsing worked ok for us for a long time is that while flawed as alf correctly (and repeatedly for a year now) points out, nevertheless its hole falls atop a hole of v, namely that it doesn't do "-----"
phf: you can't do anything with a binary blob, in which case vpatch serves exclusively as a dumb payload or a container
phf: mircea_popescu: well, the way i got what you grokked from v when it originally came out, is that vpatches are literate, for things that you can reason ~and meaningfully amend~. "unicode on a chalkboard" thread is also relevant
asciilifeform: whereas a 'have your patch be 10MB' is idiocy and i will not waste time considering it.
mircea_popescu: phf yes but can we come up0 with a general no blob solution ?
asciilifeform: jurov: i could trivially convert it to a shell script that 1) vdiff will eat without incident and 2) produces the original png when run. but this is morally problematic.
phf: mircea_popescu: i get the problem, but you can always some up with a strict no-blob solution, whether or not it's practical. in this case include your entire training set, that, being go boards, can literally be represented as ascii x/o drawings
mircea_popescu: "text representation" doesn't have that hard a meaning in this context though. what's it mean ?
mircea_popescu: phf suppose you make an ai expert system to beat us at go. this gives you two practical options : either include 10gb worth of binary flags preset ; or else have us beat it at go for 10 centuries before it gets to where it plays like a freshly fucked 19yo. ☟︎
asciilifeform: this is a textbook altschullerian triz-contradiction.
asciilifeform: phf: there is only 1 problem , it leaves me with a useless genesis.
mircea_popescu: jurov no because then you're stuck with a reflexive system
mircea_popescu: so i'ma just wait here for you to p, and comment thar rather than try and spec a tmsr-rsa-clearsign ?
asciilifeform: (because there can never be a guarantee against said string occurring therin)