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asciilifeform: speaking of keys, i'd quite enjoy learning who made /gpgkey/E3B0C44298FC1C149AFBF4C8996FB92427AE41E4649B934CA495991B7852B855 and why
a111: Logged on 2016-11-30 23:21 mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel i'd loot a lot more than 10s of mns if i found a way to reliably get people to do the things that need done rather than the sexy things they want to do BEFORE they are old enough for their active life to be mostly behind them.
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: no. throw out the unix nonsense and make predictions about how long it will take to write CL, which I can reason about.
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: Unfortunately no. I cannot predict how long it will take me to deal with idiot unix nonsense.
phf: trinque: i go to burning man, the kind of people i accommodate....
trinque: "hey man can I like, take a shower in your hotel room?"
phf: gabriel_laddel: well this is my avocation, so hacking on hemlock and installing masamune in sfo is cost equivalent. i'd make a trip just as a mini vacation, i'll see when's the closest i can swing it ☟︎
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: I've spent no time on trying to source it.
asciilifeform: i'd genuinely like to know how it came to be that 'get cocaine' came to rank above 'get pubkey' , 'get postbox' , 'get a flat' in gabriel_laddel's head
mircea_popescu: next i suppose they'll be "teaching the controversy" of whether shit or turd is the correct choice, and we'll continue ignoring them and they'll continue to pretend that we don't matter and their 5% is inexplicable at the same time. without any problem whatsoever in their absent minds, putin doesn't understand how the world works and influences the elections, sure, why not.
a111: Logged on 2016-11-30 21:25 trinque: at any rate, if I were to invest time in climacs, that is time stolen from learning osdev to put a lisp interpreter on iron, which is time stolen from learning to fab silicon in a garage, which is time stolen from ...
trinque: ben_vulpes can confirm that I saw that one directly, with a former boss / drunk.
trinque: the mind will create elaborate narratives to justify addiction. never affected me directly, but I've seen it. ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2016-11-30 21:46 phf: i've been low-key reviving cmucl's hemlock, can't use portable hemlock nor climacs for that matter, because neither have terminal versions. needless to say the process is slow and painful. like right now i'm trying to figure out why scrolling the buffer is slow slow you can see each individual line redrawing. also arrow keys don't work
asciilifeform: i had glass of milk not long ago, and did not pay a cow iirc.
asciilifeform: and i dun think they paid the authors either
asciilifeform: i find it interesting that (iirc) gabriel_laddel was mega-aficionado of my www, but will not take any of my advice nao. ☟︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i must disagree, i was quite close to, e.g., 'v', for very long time before finally wrote it. ☟︎
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: if your current situation is 'just centimetre short of cracking $hardproblem' -- i can picture, it could
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: let's put it this way -- I used cocaine, meth etc etc from 16-20 constantly, then not at all for 4+ years. Idk if that is disciplined or what, but I don't appear to have a problem with it, know what it does to me and think it would improve my current situation.
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: I've no source for it, else, yes, I would.
phf: i wouldn't code on coke, or amphetamines for that matter, that hyperactivity narrows down your periphery thinking, which results in a lot of drawn out code
gabriel_laddel: then I maintain you have no idea what it can and cannot do for you in my situation.
trinque: I know what the 10yr of that looks like, secondhand
mircea_popescu: fwiw i never did this.
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: yet. I end up going through these cycles where caffeine works to stave off sleep, then it doesn't, then I end up sleeping on a couch for 3 days, 12-14 hours a day.
gabriel_laddel: right now I consume ~pot of coffee a day.
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: yes. When I am inbetween places to sleep for ~24 hours and need sleep it helps to be able to GET SOMETHING DONE.
asciilifeform: i think erdos never ate 100g even in his 75 yr working life ☟︎
asciilifeform: srsly, gabriel_laddel thinks 'hmm, i have problem, what is it, oh -- INSUFFICIENT METH'
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: I was referring to cocaine / meth.
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: I have been a little busy to generate a new key in an unsecure manner. It is on "the list"
asciilifeform: i'd liek some also.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: now i am very much curious, in what country, when, were 'actual stims' finally discovered ?
a111: Logged on 2016-11-30 21:22 asciilifeform: i've wondered if he doesn't have a secret and dire problem with dope or similar.
gabriel_laddel: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-30#1574925 < if I could find *actual* stims I'd be done with this idiot adventure already. ☝︎
trinque: mircea_popescu: I can see it, but then I think I'm supposed to be the customer ?
trinque: so I know wtf it is! and by whom!
asciilifeform: trinque: all else aside, i want to know where the d00d's PUBKEY is, and wtf he thinks he is doing without one.
gabriel_laddel: I have not.
a111: Logged on 2016-11-30 21:13 asciilifeform: i currently have nfi what, if anything, he did other than bum around.
gabriel_laddel: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-30#1574914 < I have my time wasted by people like Josh-I who will do everything... but something useful. ☝︎
asciilifeform: but never applies the memory to himself when thinking 'i will make 10 mil selling proggy'
asciilifeform: i find it interesting that nearly every d00d knows, or has met, or heard of, some naive sov emigre who was CERTAIN that he could make ZILLIONS!!! selling... poetry. or balloons. or, or.
jurov: gabriel_laddel: i heard same claims about tcl/tk. but none seven digit figures happened there i know of
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel i'd loot a lot more than 10s of mns if i found a way to reliably get people to do the things that need done rather than the sexy things they want to do BEFORE they are old enough for their active life to be mostly behind them. ☟︎
gabriel_laddel: I can prototype something in 727 loc on clim that blows them all out of the water.
gabriel_laddel: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-30#1574917 < I suffer from the disease of seeing 10s of millions of loot as reward for getting this working. ☝︎
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: what would I use... gdb?
gabriel_laddel: and right now I'm generating the most minimal possible livecd so I can see wtf is going on / speed of generation.
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: yeah, will post in a few minutes. I am pretty sure that it is because a dependency that does not show up in lddtree --list is required.
gabriel_laddel: I am presently trying to figure out why X11 fails to launch (segfault) on my (self hosting) livecd.
asciilifeform: to the point that i got my hands on a rom and pulled that font, and still have it somewhere. unfortunately unusable on any display that i have...
asciilifeform: and when i first saw screenshits of lispm, i was astonished at how readable the text was, on a box with ONE font in ONE size
asciilifeform: not a single time that i bought a new panel with 2-3x the density of the old one, did i NOT have to change my emacs font
asciilifeform: i always assumed that it is a thing folks do when they come of age and build 'the' machine they will work their working years on, to sit down and burn away the shitfonts, among other
asciilifeform: of all the plagues discussed in this thread, i'd say fonts are the mildest, it is at this very minute quite trivial to operate a machine with 2-3 fonts installed , with ~0 surgery ☟︎
mircea_popescu: phf even limiting the matter to ttfs (seriously, postcript is a whole extra layer of crazy) one quickly discovers some very serious conceptual problems. i don't even mean from a technological pov.
mircea_popescu: i learned a lot about fonts in my recent foray.
a111: Logged on 2016-11-30 22:42 asciilifeform: obesity is not per se damning but i'd really love to know wtf there is justifiably 52 zipped MB of , in there.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-30#1575009 << i was gonna say, "fonts", but then you found on your own. ☝︎
asciilifeform: and i did think that these niblets had already gone through many an arse and had 0 way to do
a111: Logged on 2016-11-30 22:31 phf: i've no idea what that cook_buf is supposed to do
asciilifeform: 13M plan9port/font/shinonome <<< i misread this as 'shitgnome' when it scrolled by and did a double take
phf: i think that's a separate set for their own postscript implementation
asciilifeform: i knew it -- liquishit.
asciilifeform: obesity is not per se damning but i'd really love to know wtf there is justifiably 52 zipped MB of , in there. ☟︎
asciilifeform: can't speak for others, but i very much do not think i will produce a 52MB tgz of source with own hands before dead.
phf: (it also has a nifty set of astro tools, that i use to chart the skys from time to time, because it's really easy to use and i don't know any better)
phf: trinque: i very rarely explicitly run it, it's just there for when i want to read some c code. i sometimes gauge tool sanity by trying to do the same thing with plan9 tools. anyway it's plan9port running on mac 10.9.5
asciilifeform: trinque: ty, that's the logz link i wanted to put in this thread.
asciilifeform: i can see in five seconds of looking, that it LOOKS at the chars !!
phf: i've no idea what that cook_buf is supposed to do ☟︎
phf: well, i only have plan9 cat on my box and it's trully tiny, but then it's plan9 (just does read/write to buf[8192])
phf: cat ought to be 8-bit clean, i suspect most of the bloat will come from gnu attempting all kinds of optimization. it probably optionally mmaps cat foo, etc.
asciilifeform: at any rate, i can hardly imagine that ~current~ ver of ~anything, even 'cat', is below 10,001 line..
phf: i don't know. it has a whitepaper though
asciilifeform: because i noticed interesting thing, supposedly 'simple' things will have a border beyond which the complexity explodes for 'no reason' , as per the 'cat' thread from 2 yrs ago
asciilifeform: i'd be curious to hear what trinque had in mind tho.
trinque: I've thought having a hardware parser/filter on a serial line where only certain bits can possibly flow over, and only in certain order, would compliment it.
trinque: though a topic I've been thinking upon a lot is, trigger warnings to asciilifeform, mitigations
trinque: phf: dunno that I'm making an argument for anything *else* either
trinque: seems this runs the risk of continuously being a refugee. "they broke my emacs, so I left for hemlock/climacs/etc, then they broke my X, then they broke my ..."
trinque: I'll be clinging to a frozen emacs version and frozen pile of elisp til valhalla.
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-30#1574893 << fwiw mit-scheme's editor edwin has an elisp emulation layer, that reportedly can run gnus of some vintage. when i heard about climacs from beach i actually though he was going to do an elisp translator too. one option might be to pickup edwin, but that's an exercise for someone else entirely ☝︎
phf: i've been low-key reviving cmucl's hemlock, can't use portable hemlock nor climacs for that matter, because neither have terminal versions. needless to say the process is slow and painful. like right now i'm trying to figure out why scrolling the buffer is slow slow you can see each individual line redrawing. also arrow keys don't work ☟︎
trinque: at any rate, if I were to invest time in climacs, that is time stolen from learning osdev to put a lisp interpreter on iron, which is time stolen from learning to fab silicon in a garage, which is time stolen from ... ☟︎
asciilifeform: i've wondered if he doesn't have a secret and dire problem with dope or similar. ☟︎
asciilifeform: ( how am i to reason about 'his' code, when none of it is signed, and there is naught to sign it with ..? )
mircea_popescu: i dunno, he's very reluctant to discipline
trinque: I keep hoping for a g_l writeup on the subj, but do not see a blog anywhere
asciilifeform: i currently have nfi what, if anything, he did other than bum around. ☟︎
asciilifeform: i have here a b00k on piloting circa 1940, and already then author insists that rudder pedals are obsolete and have killed a thousand men ☟︎
asciilifeform: it is (and mthread / davout are invited to correct me , i am an armchair admiral ) as i understand, the reason why airplane today still has rudder pedals.
mircea_popescu: seems evident the correct solution is to get that proper lisp bootstrap i was discussing with phf and then re-write emacs in it.
mircea_popescu: actually from what i can grok from that piece, the proposed solution (dump unexec, move on to saving elisp stack) is actually an improv meent
mircea_popescu: i think jurov has it.
asciilifeform: this is really in re the old 'bitcoin at the nsa' thread but i've misplaced the date.
asciilifeform: ( 'stalin's' algorithm of guarding gold, i.e. 'if it is lost, shoot everyone who might have sold the coordinates of the convoy' doesn't necessarily work either, because somewhere high enough in the chain there is usually someone who is 1) unshootable + 2) knows the coords )
asciilifeform: i wouldn't put it past the imbeciles to try to split the net via node diddling alone.