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herbijudlestoids: not that there are many specialists left
herbijudlestoids: you cant really be a specialist without having a seat or working for a bank/insto that does
ThickAsThieves: vitoing, is that how italians vote?
mircea_popescu: not all the people in the pit are specialists.
Vexual: im in a loop thinking of numbers i don't understand, but there are external govt regulators vitoing bullshit on wall street no?
herbijudlestoids: cancel trades
herbijudlestoids: the price is only there as a barrier to entry, not as a meaningful representation of how much it costs to maintain the seat
mircea_popescu: "i want fries with that!11"
mircea_popescu: "what do you mean it's 5mn and a bunch of crap and al lyou get for it is the opportunity to eat the crap ?!?!!"
mircea_popescu: come to think of it, if the average person knew a whole lot of how the real world functions they'd be pretty scandalised.
herbijudlestoids: uhoh i think my analogy has gone too far
dudesir: So does being a member enable you to vote on what stocks get allowed? I think I have much research to do on how the NYSE operates...
mircea_popescu: it's a self-performing operation. one of these days ima wake up to a report of "and then X tried to break Y" and just go "so revoke X"
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: do u need someone ethical like me to do due diligence on all your members? :P
mircea_popescu: well mpex users are also required to maintain high levels of compliance and ethics.
herbijudlestoids: "However, to own a seat, a trader or broker must meet more criteria than simply being able to afford it. Prospective owners of the seats must go through a stringent review process and, once accepted, they are required to maintain high levels of compliance and ethics as the NYSE and governmental regulators constantly review members. "
Namworld: I found this, looks like about 4 million in 2005
herbijudlestoids: and not just that but its not like you can just buy a seat at the NYSE, someone has to die or want to sell their seat
dudesir: Ok, I think I understand, NYSE is like an underlying exchange and brokers are on top of it?
chipug: i could live off that for life!
Namworld: Much more than that.
dudesir: Does it cost 30000$ to get an acct at nyse?
Namworld: People with lower investments can use a broker like CoinBR to trade MPEx
Namworld: Not for everyone to sign up on.
Namworld: It's designed to work like any stock exchange.
herbijudlestoids: dudesir: its an exchange, do you have an account with the CME or NYSE? you have an account with your broker, who has a seat (or equiv) at the exchange
chipug: everything increases with time, even waistlines
Namworld: The rules are like this, dudesir: fee will only increase or stay the same.
dudesir: lol I was assuming downwards, I suppose MPEX is only for those who are already rich...
mircea_popescu: it'll go to 50 eventually.
dudesir: mircea is the 30 BTC fee going to change eventually?
mircea_popescu: the name of at least one nurse in the burns section ?
chipug: mircea_popescu: wtf was that balloon guy thinking?!
Namworld: The url tells me otherwise
chipug: it doesnt even fit on the page properly!
herbijudlestoids: easily the best bitcoin website ever: http://bitcoin-free-adclickandtasks-sites.nl
mircea_popescu: http://i.imgur.com/9VClTYt.gif this actually looks a lot like mpoe-pr baiting threads.
herbijudlestoids: now we gotta split the hypervisors into 2 clusters
herbijudlestoids: when i say dont touch the thing or youll break it, and then they touch the thing...
nubbins`: only those whose surnames begin with A through F may visit the zoo on sundays, etc
nubbins`: most of the story was about attempts to legislate order back into society
nubbins`: technically wasn't really math fiction tho
nubbins`: e.g. everyone in manhattan decides to drive across the same bridge on the same evening, etc
nubbins`: read this story once where the law of averages stopped working
asciilifeform: seems to be the real thing.
asciilifeform: it does whatever the russian kids throw in, until the censors nuke it.
asciilifeform: the premise was a little brain-fucking, yes - turned out that mathematics was a physical object, that one could fuck with
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform then, the product of the square of the first with an odd power of the second does
mircea_popescu: just keep going on with the description of the complexity until the reader falls over
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: got a response, somewhere privatish i can send it to?
asciilifeform: damn if i recall. but there was a mathematical galactic battle in there
mircea_popescu: but not of the 3rd powers
mircea_popescu: yet the product of their squares does
mircea_popescu: i think you can probably write a brown note novel on this, you can literally drive math people to insanity.
mircea_popescu: wait, they're primes right ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform haha that's a great premise
herbijudlestoids: i cant comment cos i dunno shit on the topic but i did fwd your statement and query on
asciilifeform: btw the whole homomorphic business reminds me of an old sf story, where some malefactor stumbles upon a pair of large integers whose multiplication doesn't commute.
mircea_popescu: so it's not like there's something debatable really, it's entirely and flatly wrong, like a chinese man on a list of hepatic patiens.
mircea_popescu: romania had no consumer sector at the time
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids yes. and the early spikes aren't exactly easy money either.
herbijudlestoids: so the inflation rate went from >40% to <10%
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform true.
mircea_popescu: Dimsler__ no actually these are good.
asciilifeform: it's a perpetuum mobile, but that never stopped the desperate idiots with infinitely deep pockets, has it.
asciilifeform: the inevitable boojum of conventional computing is that a boobytrap, no matter how clever, could eventually be stumbled upon by some clever soviet kid with a copy of 'ida'
asciilifeform: they would like to create (and then mandate) computing machinery that cannot be audited for security even in principle. ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: in principle, 'all blades have two edges,' etc. but in practice, the one and only objective of the folks funding homomorphic is a kind of satanic opposite of my purpose outlined in 'don't blame the mice'
mircea_popescu: now you look at that chart and tell me that debtors beat savers in 2000-2005 ?
ozbot: Romania Cuts Benchmark Rate to Record Low as Inflation Slows - Bloomberg
asciilifeform: hence, if someone asks you to run homomorphically cloaked code...
asciilifeform: it is thus useful to know how to tell which end of the barrel you are being placed on.
mircea_popescu: there's no way to pick really. you're on both ends always
asciilifeform: correct. ideally one should like to be on the 'correct end of the barrel' for this one.
mircea_popescu: or a soft obamacare, which appears to work fine, but when your name is obama an email is sent to a certain address with your vaginal probe pics.
asciilifeform: and this fact not being deducible from the code.
asciilifeform: a 'soft pgp' that appears to work fine, but when you encrypt a message to a certain pubkey, the message becomes 'eat shit and die'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform both people could use this.
mircea_popescu: ask the guy what his research is for that list he made sometime.
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids if you care, http://fofoa.blogspot.ro/2010/07/debtors-and-savers.html is formally incorrect on the listing of romania ☟︎
asciilifeform: but nobody seems willing to say it publicly
asciilifeform: i venture to say that the actual goal of general-purpose (or whatever approximation is possible) homomorphic crypto is quite different. ☟︎☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: if the whole proggy is the key then it;s not safe ipso definitio
asciilifeform: if it 'keeps key safe' via the whole proggy becoming the key, you haven't accomplished much
mircea_popescu: anyone solving this'd feel that particular elation.
mircea_popescu: the problem itself tho, "make me gpg which keeps my key safge and uses no pw", is not trivial.
asciilifeform: but for the subject of the article, one is left to wonder what problem is actually being solved
asciilifeform: the building blocks of homomorphic crypto (say, the 'millionaires protocol') are certainly interesting, not only in the mathematical but practical sense.
mircea_popescu: i'm not saying this is practically useful.
asciilifeform: anyone who wants 'software cardano' can grab 'gpg' today.
mircea_popescu: so inasfar as that, it may be the case homomorphic software can be in fact written that protects the key say
mircea_popescu: same is true of the hw cardano.
asciilifeform: lift it, accomplish the same purpose.
asciilifeform: then the code is the key.
mircea_popescu: what may work tho is indeed code that does the function of cardano in software.
asciilifeform: i live right outside of a big uni, whose comp sci dept. pisses out a never-ending supply of this crud.
asciilifeform: the whole field appears to be funded by the desperate 'media' conglomerates, who dream in their opium haze of unbreakable copy protection.
mircea_popescu: and the case of futzing non-recursively with data is not covered.
asciilifeform: so you're stuck with some special-case exotica, that idiots will inevitably embed in conventional code.
mircea_popescu: you wouldn't be necessarily running a compiler there