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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in all fairness, i massaged 'v' quietly for quite some time before posting
asciilifeform: i'd like to see.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-07 21:46 ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-07#1579050 << "image" as in "lisp image"? the reason i ask is because reindenting blocks of code for a multiple-value-bind makes unnecessary patch noise.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-07 22:11 phf: ben_vulpes: i don't know how to solve that problem, but "i know, sexp will help us!" is not. you basically need to redesign a bunch of things about reader, have a custom save format (that will look closer to (DEFUN FOO () (IF BAR QUX (PROGN ...)))). sexp nature will help you ~a bit~, but like mp said it's closer to "let's save AST", because sexp don't preserve nearly enough required info
phf: asciilifeform: i've seen people diff sexps for producing semi-automatic patches of live system. so like if you want to replicate the image code state across machines, can rig up some not-for-reading dumper
phf: ben_vulpes: i don't know how to solve that problem, but "i know, sexp will help us!" is not. you basically need to redesign a bunch of things about reader, have a custom save format (that will look closer to (DEFUN FOO () (IF BAR QUX (PROGN ...)))). sexp nature will help you ~a bit~, but like mp said it's closer to "let's save AST", because sexp don't preserve nearly enough required info ☟︎
asciilifeform: i was about to phrase it as 'output of v transformation must always remain obvious to kindergartener' but mircea_popescu has it.
mircea_popescu: "my mom as i knew her died the moment she hooked up with her old associates and went back to stripping."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i suppose people who aren't me complained ? honestly i was half expecting they're actuallyoffering to buy mine.
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-07#1579050 << "image" as in "lisp image"? the reason i ask is because reindenting blocks of code for a multiple-value-bind makes unnecessary patch noise. ☝︎☟︎
ben_vulpes: by that time i think the coolies will be responsible for their own hardware, not me.
asciilifeform: (e.g. i have a 'mac air' here that won't go past 10.6)
ben_vulpes: i have a vault of them!
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i thought you sold proggies for these, and was forced to use latest os etc
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-07#1579032 << i have an entire vault of macbooks, odds that i'll buy more are ~0. ☝︎
ben_vulpes: "i gave up on understanding processors a while ago"
phf: i recently finished reading olympus/ilium scifi series by dan simmons, where one of the lines is Achilles becoming immortal (in the unable to die sense) because Paris is killed before he can deliver the arrow
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: lel i misread
asciilifeform: i see no pliers..
a111: Logged on 2015-10-24 23:39 asciilifeform: http://imgur.com/hz7j9hf << an equally-appealing photo i took today.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: this is almost same as a photo i posted from under where i sit.
BingoBoingo: In other foundations https://i.imgur.com/sDx1hyG.jpg
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/7SE9E << somehow i missed this old noose. in re how nato does target practice on own boats.
asciilifeform: i think i still have the pants with the hole
asciilifeform: i knew a d00d who got weimaraner, brought it to office, it gnawed chairs, pant legs
mircea_popescu: the similarities are striking, but i guess no humanities scholars left.
asciilifeform: plagues, i imagine, beget flagellants.
mircea_popescu: "you'll die" "so will you" "yes but i'll die happy" "so will i". go ahead and settle the dispute, good heavens.
mircea_popescu: lf I've put weight on and it was the worst thing that I have done and all for making other people happy!! If people are happy to starve themselves or make themselves sick then leave them be we dont need petty sly comments of people who have no idea what they are talking about."
mircea_popescu: "People who have never had an eating disorder won't understand and yet they still feel the need to comment on people telling them they are wrong well no, we arent. I had an eating disorder and it was the most happiest I had ever been, the thought of not eating and not even being bothered was good, I was in control of something and things were how I wanted them to be, I was happy and now I'm over that I'm not happy I hate myse
phf: (i had a good result with a scale before. "here's a scale, write your weight daily in this calendar, in fucking killos, what the fuck" then every single complaint is brought back to the data, if actually intelligent start noticing disparity. "i'm FAAAT but the weight went down by a killo in the past two months, wtf" etc)
mircea_popescu: phf yes but i ignore those. the "be naked eating and watch yourself" thing is the clincher to my eyes, because WHEN the fuck does empire advise nudity ? never, not in "feel your boobs" public literature even
phf: huuh two thirds of these ana recommendations are basic food hygiene, and how i've been eating for most of my life. the rest is a bit over the top, but doesn't look particularly bad
asciilifeform: i toured a '5 bedroom' where each was the size of a large phone booth
mircea_popescu: individual people i mean
mircea_popescu: the chinese don't have the soviet problem with sharia law from what i've seen.
mircea_popescu: "could i have cubic sphere with this ?" "sure, why the fuck not." "ah ok then"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i suspect that's just natural fallout.
mircea_popescu: "professionalization" amirite. division of labour, am i rite. high tech!!!1
mircea_popescu: nato reich gradually being ghettoized, i dunno who the fuck will swallow this theory whereby you actually want to move banking out of brunei. what, world's richest state ? mmkay.
phf: oh i was going to say cbc next
asciilifeform: 'well ~i~! know now that i'm not an acorn. but do THE SQUIRRELS know??????' ☟︎☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: 'i am an acorn'
mircea_popescu: i don't think the boxes knew either.
asciilifeform: i also did not know!
mircea_popescu: i did not know
mircea_popescu: i guess in time we'll find out exactly how :D
Framedragger: i mean, it does seem pretty pathetic... plus, yknow, pay-"call me / charge me back some time"-pal
mircea_popescu: i'm sorry, i can't hear you over the sound of worthless dollars sloshing around. what was that ? i didn't... try hard enough to find the real place where they don't have meat in exchange for rubles ?
Framedragger: i'm just sayin', you didn't try hard enough :p
Framedragger: i've joined about the time you asked about ppusd, getting reminded via nostalgia. there was no interaction as of yet :p
mircea_popescu: i couldn't care less, but sum up the trades for the day, do they come to $100 ?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-07#1578956 << recall, they stopped making these recently. i literally bought ghe LAST one (2, actually, 1 for a relative) ☝︎
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-07#1578982 << fuck i just got it. been too long. not a WHOLE btc. D'OH ☝︎
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i'd recommend instead to use standard text formatting scheme (slime's, say) for all lispolade.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'll do it
mircea_popescu: ahahaha i thought you meant that apple pr piece, i was totally lost here.
mircea_popescu: well... what was he declaring haram ? i'm confused on that part.
jurov: There's also possibility I misunderstood ben_vulpes, ofc.
jurov: what reasoning? on basis of experience, i concluded it won't work
jurov: if it works for you, cool. every time i tried to forbid somehing, turned out I was the fool.
mircea_popescu: i have nfi who beil cybart is ; but the article in question is spun copy, a notch under of the conceptual value of fanfiction and about on par with wikipedia articles.
jurov: ben_vulpes: i'd definitely like to see such thing. otherwise i don't get this obsession with marking stuff "halal" and "haram".
EDLionX: and i had no idea how
mircea_popescu: i've never seen more reluctant male even among the actual mongoloids.
asciilifeform: http://i.imgur.com/uByC0cK.jpg << in other...wtf
mircea_popescu: but that said, i could use some new players.
mircea_popescu: it's impossible to know, apparently the "hello i am joe of clan moe" is no longer taught in primary school.
trinque: "the internet is a place I make inane noises with other creatures to soothe myself"
zKawaiiKittyz: oh, I'm a cat xD
zKawaiiKittyz: I'm so confused, What did I do wrong?
zKawaiiKittyz: Well I can asue you I have no twitter with this name xD
zKawaiiKittyz: this has been a rising problem I've noticed -_-
BingoBoingo: I am the party pooper.
trinque: "No one has ever asked me who I am before."
zKawaiiKittyz: Jk, I came here for special purposes, nothing more :3
mircea_popescu: anyway, i dun recall the specifics but i think this may have been grafted not endogenous
mircea_popescu: (general here means exactly the same it does when i say we have a general cure for infection. it's not that nobody can die of infections ; but that there's antibiotics, which mostly work.)
mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu> i dunno, output a list of 10k items ? <
mircea_popescu: which is why i say, not much seriouys work done on the actual topic.
mircea_popescu: if they did produce anything useful in the above vein i've never seen it.
mircea_popescu: i dunno, output a list of 10k items ?
asciilifeform: but i suppose it'd depend on what means 'serious work'
mircea_popescu: jurov i call it being an ant.
mircea_popescu: what's this, "i'll make sure the turing machine don't ever stop, i'm having too much fun" ?
mircea_popescu: you know, data type. that i can put in an ada-like manual and write a compiler for.
asciilifeform: then i say 'function'
jurov: i can only guess neurons are too expensive and having extra to avoid above spinning is not...optimal
asciilifeform: i couldn't begin to hazard a guess. but - who knows - perhaps ~had~, but somehow not ant-compatible.
mircea_popescu: i dunno.
mircea_popescu: this country has a lot of foraging ant species. i enjoy watching them. on numerous occasions i have observed individual ant dragging acer type seed.
phf: i think that's one of standard thinker childhood experiences, making a closed loop in the ant pheromone trail
phf: asciilifeform: i think the ant one is the algo book, where's eberhart is an overview
asciilifeform: phf: i had earlier edition of iirc that thing (the one with the ants on the cover) at umd
mircea_popescu: "i've never seen anything remotely as annoying as prolog, with the notable exception of makefiles, running on top of a wonderful inference engine of their own" << ahaha!
a111: Logged on 2016-12-06 22:21 trinque: it's entirely possible - and I think likely - that what counts for human intelligence does not run in a single human head
trinque: it's entirely possible - and I think likely - that what counts for human intelligence does not run in a single human head ☟︎
mircea_popescu: perhaps rsa. though i'm entirely unconvinced it's not to be found in medieval arithmetics.
mircea_popescu: but then again : the most hardcore anti-ai stance, and the one to which i vaguely subscribe, is to observe that the 1 is entirely illusory
mircea_popescu: i can grant that ai is a psychiatric issue of plenty of computer programmers ; i can even grant that it is perhaps best to pretend like ai is "impossible" in the sense he means to perhaps cure the idiots.