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asciilifeform: whereas a 'have your patch be 10MB' is idiocy and i will not waste time considering it.
asciilifeform: jurov: i could trivially convert it to a shell script that 1) vdiff will eat without incident and 2) produces the original png when run. but this is morally problematic.
jurov: mircea_popescu: i offered netpbm, that's well specified ascii image format
jurov: i don't see what's the problem with having 8-10x more data
phf: mircea_popescu: i get the problem, but you can always some up with a strict no-blob solution, whether or not it's practical. in this case include your entire training set, that, being go boards, can literally be represented as ascii x/o drawings
jurov: i think phf means that everything should be converted into text representation
asciilifeform: phf: i can see this angle very well
phf: i'm convinced that blobs shouldn't go into vpatches, this completely breaks the whole readability/communication aspect of it, while still remaining promisestronic: you have to take some additional step after pressing to get the final images.
jurov: MIME avoids this by generating unique magic strings as delimiters after the fact. but you don't want to, i guess.
mircea_popescu: so i'ma just wait here for you to p, and comment thar rather than try and spec a tmsr-rsa-clearsign ?
mircea_popescu: (i confess it does to me, has no value other than cheapness. but gotta see what peoples think too!)
mircea_popescu: I SPECIFICALLY WROTE fuckage!
mircea_popescu: i dunno, i'm just saying, cheap lye solution.
phf: mircea_popescu: i mean vpatch's own --- +++
asciilifeform: i, with own two hands, will kill them.
mircea_popescu: phf these are palleative solutions, you understand i'm sure. the fundamental problem here is that clearisgn is a "magic char" driven thing like nonsense "nullterm" string constructions
phf: so vpatches all have preludes, by virtue of how diff/patch works (that's how you can just cat mail.mbox > patch). i was thinking of using that prelude for readme, but you can put base64 binary files there, and verbally communicate additional required steps. it's ugly, but it's without mutilating core concept. prelude is reveserved for whatever ugly special case hacks, etc.
mircea_popescu: exactly what i had in mind.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha, in 'p' i have a 'next N bytes are payload' marker.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-11 18:46 asciilifeform: btw for folx who are thick as a brick i will point out, that i SPECIFICALLY DO NOT WANT vdiff's '---' turned by idiot koch liquishit into '- ---'
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-11#1581240 << the never part there is iffy. i ~think~ that once we finally get tmsr-rsa, we will NOT be doing that idiocy. ☝︎
phf: asciilifeform: i've got another one :)
asciilifeform: adlai: do me personal favour , and drink a long cup of tea, i am trying to deal with actual problem here, it needs solution, from able hands
adlai: re: "go do things", another thing i've been doing is studying towards http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-19#1556804. my understanding thus far is that it is firmly within "not possible to put into Bitcoin" territory, but still potentially interesting; and i am not yet confident enough in my understanding to try explaining to others; but i should be in a ~month. ☝︎
asciilifeform: but fg-genesis is an item i produced out of thin aether. it is v material.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-11#1581221 << when i had to put in, eg, gpg tarball i apparently used base64 of it. ☝︎
asciilifeform: and i did promise to eschew non-7bitclean vpatches !
asciilifeform: phf: mutilating and complicating vdiff or v is the very last thing i'm interested in.
mircea_popescu: just drop the whole imagination thing, it ain't useful. it just provides a way for you to waste your energy. go do things, if you ask then "hey, i am now opening shop for adlai's electronic dildos, but i don't intend to do X like nsa did, but this other way, anyone see a problem?" you'll get an answer and proceed from there.
asciilifeform: i'ma ask mircea_popescu to make the cut.
adlai: mircea_popescu: i'm trying to replace the mistaken assumptions, stemming from operating hypothetical services within my own imagination.
asciilifeform: phf: i could easily write proggy that eats a binturd and produces a vdiff-harmless shell script that, when executed, disgorges same. but the IDEA, yes, bothers me
adlai: my intent was not nubbins's "you guys are operating badly", but rather "you guys are operating differently from how i expected, could you please educate me as to why my assumption is incorrect?"
asciilifeform: i have nfi why he'd care fwiw.
adlai: i do hope that identifying my assumptions as such as improvement upon leaving them implicit.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-11 18:32 adlai: out of curiosity, why are orders encrypted to mircea_popescu , when i'd assume (silly me, all these assumptions!) that asciilifeform is the one actually doing the assembly + shipping?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-11#1581208 << yes, silly you. stop trying to infofish or i'll negrate you, and permanently this time. ☝︎
asciilifeform: adlai: why would i want your 1,000+ line difftron ?
adlai: asciilifeform: hypothetical program gets two files as input, old version and new version. proceeds to make diff itself, rather than relying on gnudiff; doesn't need to use awk matching since it's not massaging grudiff output but rather producing the vpatch directly itself, thus bypassing this magic string. am i missing something?
asciilifeform: it was lulzy, i pointed it out publicly, and he for a while carried on the pretense of 'uh, not me...'
a111: Logged on 2016-12-11 18:12 Framedragger: fwiw i still like moxie, but it's sad that he's doing the "i don't use gpg anymore" thing, too
asciilifeform: phf: understand that the schematic as represented in the png is what ended up as the board. whereas if i were to redraw it by hand, that is an additional PROMISE
mircea_popescu: i'm way behind here am i.
phf: asciilifeform: i suggested one, i'm still suggesting it. philosophically correct solution would be to reduce graph to something that can be reasoned about as text. note that i'm not even sure if i'm prepared to advocate for that as the main way forward, but it's an option.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-11 18:08 thestringpuller: look i thought jgarzik's tweet about gpg dying was just an outlier of PRB nonsense but it's a plague now I've witnessed for myself, that is all
asciilifeform: phf: if you want to suggest a solution that doesn't reduce to my a) or b) or any c) that delays shipment for month+, i'm all ears.
adlai: as i see it the problem is that a valid gnudiff output is a false positive for the awk script, this actually has nothing to do with b64 that just happens to have produced the first example of this output
mircea_popescu: i showed up cuz done fucking, dun mind me.
phf: binary blobs remain an unsolved problem. the whole idea of binary (or base64) is contrary to some of the more philosophical aspects of vpatch you and mp like to discuss, so i don't know if base64 even solves it. ☟︎
asciilifeform: lel mircea_popescu shows up just when i was about to switch on my robotic autopopescu, to say 'stop trying to deedbot nonhumancomestibles!'
adlai: this 'hope' gets tested immediately. i'm only suggesting a quick fix here, still thinking about the proper one.
asciilifeform: so right now i'm looking at the options:
asciilifeform: do you understand, adlai , that i am NOT interested in beginning long career of idiot special case patches to vdiff ?
asciilifeform: i have nfi right now what to do with this nonsense. ☟︎
adlai: re:space, i realize the space is the separator in the patch syntax; the awk script is not looking for it though
adlai: although i may be understanding the spec incorrectly
adlai: i don't think "+++ " can be a valid (subseq line 0 4)
asciilifeform: so i had two base64's png files in there, ☟︎☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: and lol, did i just find another bug in gnudiff.
asciilifeform: where do i insert (1) and (2).
asciilifeform: i thought it only ate clearsigns.
phf: huh, i didn't know that. i thought deedbot takes binary blobs sort of deal
asciilifeform: btw for folx who are thick as a brick i will point out, that i SPECIFICALLY DO NOT WANT vdiff's '---' turned by idiot koch liquishit into '- ---' ☟︎
asciilifeform: i want : these ^ deedbotted.
asciilifeform: phf: i have: 1) fg-genesis.vdiff 2) fg-genesis.vdiff.asciilifeform.sig
phf: i guess deedbot does something it shouldn't do..
phf: asciilifeform: i misunderstand the question then
adlai: asciilifeform: i realize there is not an incentive to perform such mischief. this is just me being talkative.
asciilifeform: i'd like to deedbot it though.
phf: asciilifeform: i think the solution that we arrived at is that you just paste the two pastebot urls clear and sig and i pick them up. so if you want to deedbot them, just do that, and you can assume that it'll end up in btcbase
asciilifeform: because i am now becoming quite certain that you did ask
asciilifeform: i would like to deed FUCKGOATS
adlai: ok so i'll leave out the --encrypt-to stan
asciilifeform: but on other hand, i ~like~ not having to know where crate is doing until the very hour.
adlai: out of curiosity, why are orders encrypted to mircea_popescu , when i'd assume (silly me, all these assumptions!) that asciilifeform is the one actually doing the assembly + shipping? ☟︎
Framedragger: i suppose so, but his tone was more like "gpg UI is shit => gpg is shit => eh fuck gpg, i'll just use signal/otr etc [and i encourage others to do the same]"
Framedragger: fwiw i still like moxie, but it's sad that he's doing the "i don't use gpg anymore" thing, too ☟︎
Framedragger: well.. that's one of the problems. i don't really keep names in my mind, it's not worth the space. sorry if i implied that i'd be able to point at anything interesting
Framedragger: indeed, attack is stronger than initially pictured. "sane" "developers" actually promote js crypto, etc.; i guess that just means that one has to be even more vigilant (and proactively declare those to be insane).. :)
thestringpuller: look i thought jgarzik's tweet about gpg dying was just an outlier of PRB nonsense but it's a plague now I've witnessed for myself, that is all ☟︎
Framedragger: (but for clarity, keybase works perfectly well without being supplied with privkey, no?) ("i'm just sayin'" - not defending keybase.)
thestringpuller: or atleast I have yet to encounter a keybase user in the wild who has done so...
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: I don't think keybase allows you to generate keys anymore...you have to supply them...
adlai: !~later tell mod6 may I please be granted admission to your trb dev channel(s)?
adlai: ;;later tell mod6 may I please be granted admission to your trb dev channel(s)?
mircea_popescu: in other news, today i learned a chinese! it goes like so : 和我一起，那是你的婊子掴你进监狱，并与所有的民族疯人院 ☟︎
mircea_popescu: looky : it's rare that your conclusions are baffling because i'm not aware what ~i~ said. it's generally the case that i'm not aware what nutty assumptions you baked into it. so, what ?
asciilifeform: probably there is more, lulzier, but i'll bbl.
ben_vulpes: do the various weird telnet responses imply an encoding nightmare i have to figure out and fix on my machine?
mircea_popescu: i wish for once to meet a bum drunk who's not all about how he knows how facebook/cold fusion/lobbying for blabla works.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-11 01:14 asciilifeform: mats: pretty lulzy in light of today's kakobrekla 'i know the only shareholder and he is remorseful'
ben_vulpes: ah i find the turning of their own language on the libtards endlessly amusing
BingoBoingo: "One of the students wrote: “Every day I pass a different student wearing a ‘Black Lives Matter’ shirt and that goes unacknowledged, but the moment I attempt to voice my opinion it is abruptly shut down by the left sided environment that our school has overwhelmingly supported this school year.” Another student wrote: “I got called a racist, misogynistic pig.”"
BingoBoingo was engaged in hobby activity trimming undead conifers to customer specifications, and non hobbyists wondered why I would want to play with sawzall when there was drudgework and gossip they wanted my help with.
asciilifeform: i suppose evil giants are more frightening than cold, to the well-insulated beast
mircea_popescu: or because i was the only dude over 30 there that didn't look like advanced case of brain parasitosis.
mircea_popescu: in similar news, walking yest thgrough town a buncha girlies hit on me, where i'm from, where's the chicks from, etc. they were athletes, like 16yos, playing in the natl basketball competition, semifinals today. so i told them ima show up. which i did.
shinohai: episking~ i remember from #bitcoin-otc
mats: i am also following along, and i want to be clear about my position, which i think is well represented above
mats: i was remorseful, things change