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a111: Logged on 2013-03-11 07:17 mircea_popescu: actually the plan was to have tcp/ip reimpremented over pigeons
a111: Logged on 2013-03-11 07:01 dub: there is thousands of retarded children with a handfull of hackers hiding behind them
asciilifeform: ( btw congrats to jurov & mod6 for bringing ml back to life ! )
asciilifeform: produces things like http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20150701/private_dirty_593063f24445b86ead7ed066cec803fa2cbec79b.png .
mircea_popescu: 84m res 2791m virt on the box running trilema.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Yeah, I'm looking at top
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo how do you measure this ? top ?
asciilifeform: ok there i see it.
BingoBoingo: And thank you hanbot, the V Genesised MP-WP is very nice. Much improved dashboard and editors. ☟︎
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: ty
ave1: Yes, this is when you base the kernel off the ubuntu config (with all modules enabled) and then try to include all modules in the kernel.
trinque: ave1: I appreciate the testing, will put another version in your hands soon
ave1: Also the first time that I tried to rebuild a kernel, first try needed 15G of harddisk space and created a 3G kernel (now down to 500mb, which compresses to about 12 or so, but still)
ave1: trinque: this is what I get on that emerge: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/MmnDr/?raw=true. P.S. l can wait for an updated version and try again, this is the first time since years that I tried gentoo again.
asciilifeform: i did not expect to ever again need a 32bit arm gcc, but there it is.
ave1: yes, support should be there (one of the most irratating problems I had was with the config.guess scripts not includig a particular system)
asciilifeform: ( where ideally i can put in any arch supported by gcc backend, and get a that-flavoured gnat out )
asciilifeform: i'd like to never again use theirs, tho, but only ave1's builders
asciilifeform: ave1: afaik adacore already distributed a 32bit one, might want to look to see what it was made of
ave1: asciilifeform: I did not build an arm32 version yet (but should be easier that aarch64), it does have something with different abi that have to be named. I will check this week
ave1: trinque: I get the error when this line is run: sudo chroot . emerge eudev lilo genkernel gentoo-sources app-crypt/gnupg parted sudo
trinque: layman (portage overlay manager) is pulling that in
trinque: ave1: however, when I grunt out this genesis vpatch, git dependency evaporates.
asciilifeform: ave1: didja ever get a arm32 gnat built ? turns out, 'uboot' needs one, to build
trinque: no, not known. the thing runs start to finish on my end.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-03 22:37 trinque: ave1: couldn't reproduce your errors. all I had to do to re-run the cuntoo build was to fix the portage snapshot var.
ave1: trinque, re http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-03#1847167, yes turned out the git that cuntoo uses did not support https and my ufw settings did not allow an outgoing git port number. Now it fails it a bit further along with dependencies on gnupg-2.2, but I think this was a known breakage... ☝︎
asciilifeform: ( recall the dma thread, for instance. 9000+ hacks around the retardation of von neumann box. )
asciilifeform: this kind of thing shows up whenever a broken basis is picked .
mircea_popescu: an attempt to "make tapestry scriptable also" is the sure sign that women-in-general are now involved in that concern.
mircea_popescu: scripting fundamentally IS NOT THAT ; moving the steer will result in changes of direction, but will NOT result in changes of tapestry.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-04 14:44 mircea_popescu: but yes, evidently the (undiagnosed ; are these people morons ?!) problem is that "anything could be a firewall rule", ie, this is a place where the scripting turns upon the whole machine state. which makes me suspoect there's a more fundamental error at work somewhere (possibly the very attempt to build a pantsuit net, allcomers-based, possibly something else), but until we get a fix on that...
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-04#1847282 << somehow i missed this line on 1st pass through log. yes, that's exactly it. ☝︎
asciilifeform: ( recall the mig scrapyard in timis ? )
asciilifeform: the seekret is that supplies last, theoretically, for long time, there are folx repairing t34 and mig21 today.
mircea_popescu: but it's way the fuck better to maintain this car than to try and what, 20k for last year's kia ? noty.
mircea_popescu: had transmission thusly replaced, for instance.
mircea_popescu: but take bartholomew, the early 2000s bmw. all it needs is maintenance.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: who do you have doing it, then
asciilifeform: if only had old autos, would be spending time like ben_vulpes & asciilifeform .
mircea_popescu: oh, i wouldn't trust the locals to smith inside it.
mircea_popescu: i have a pile of old autos, they're a joy.
BingoBoingo: Likely, they actually import used cars there (Rest of Mercosur only imports new)
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: prolly a far cry from the master smiths of havana, who can fit toyota engine block into lada, with moskvich transmission
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It is mule and dump country. They take old Jap cars and flip the steering to the other side.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i thought para-- was mule country
BingoBoingo: * asciilifeform dreams of living in a thing where he could have pit, crane... << Paraguay!
asciilifeform dreams of living in a thing where he could have pit, crane...
asciilifeform: iirc ben_vulpes , trinque , have old autos, know exactly what this story is about.
asciilifeform: alternative is 'oops, sucks to be you, you bought 2k machine , what do you mean you expect more than 6months out of it'
asciilifeform: folx like asciilifeform , only have any pocket money left , because they're willing to lay out the grease rag and spend whole day+ inside gears, belts
mircea_popescu: "let's do new orleans continent-wide, that worked so well for us!"
mircea_popescu: "i know... the way to win is to be as vulnerable as possible!"
mircea_popescu: and then when it starts blinking, konsoomer will be in the exact 1989 position.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: current usg is quite eager to have konsoomer dispose of old, repairable [cars, washers, etc] in favour of chinesium
mircea_popescu: "you know... the soviets had a website like that."
mircea_popescu: "we have this website, can order anything" "you mean besides plastic cup holders ?" "WHO WOULD WANT THAT!!!"
mircea_popescu: yeah, usg supply lines going to shit at a seemingly exponential rate
asciilifeform: asciilifeform goes and conujures up the 'unobtainium'
asciilifeform: i could tell 9000 stories like this, they all end same
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it was lulzy, Official repair d00d threw up hands, 'can't source part'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know i suspect one of the washing machines could do with fixing...
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> speaking of which, BingoBoingo you ARE making cozy with dc tech people rite ? taking them out to smoke & crimping them to pot or w/e it is they do socially there ? << Fairly friendly with them now that Rodrigo (Fellow who decided to be the point man in the February affair, ben_vulpes met) is gone. ☟︎
asciilifeform: if i knew how to do errything without vlsi, that can be done with, i'd be having tea with mircea_popescu in the palace on neighbouring hill, perhaps.
asciilifeform: some things i presently know how to do without vlsi. one of them was trng, and did.
asciilifeform: rright. ideally you want to know what's possible before reaching the 'das war ein befehl!111111' stage
mircea_popescu: on one hand people shouldn't be sent to do things that can't be done ; on the other hand somethings gotta can be done or else we're all sunk eventually.
mircea_popescu: whether there is a hole there or isn't is an iffier problem. i am not overconcerned with it ; understand that wheever, in the großer generalstab or corporate boardroom, the story's always the same : "and we should send brigadier-general X to reduce the bulge" "it can't be fucking done, are you out of your mind ?!"
asciilifeform: afaik this is correct sum.
mircea_popescu: "yes it's true telco gear is mostly openbsd box with nics glued on ; but it's also true that is mostly old ; replacing it, when it happens, is mostly with nobusisms baked by the chinese to order, and it's a tough racket."
mircea_popescu: at least we managed to come to a narrative that stands to cursory examination.
asciilifeform: possible that my hands do not grow from correct place, or possible that if mircea_popescu had chinese gurl, she could steal the missing datashit..
asciilifeform: and recall, at one time asciilifeform burned 6mo+ to try and bring up realtek GB nic from 'raw iron', in the end did not even succeed in this ☟︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i sat down and worked through it on several occasions, most recently during gossipd thread; prior to that, when i was in slave galley and tore own hair out with juniperism; and prior...
mircea_popescu: well yes, but the question before you is, "have i actually sat down, thought this through, and it dun work" or is it a case of "my first impulse was so and so and now i'm stuck with it like any 9 yo" ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is always possible that i am wrong about some ( who knows, all ) piece. sorta why it is good to have dozen d00dz, vs 1 or 2, with hands growing from correct place
asciilifeform: usg.tor was precisely the 'faux-phuctor' they built to distract thinking folx from the very idea.
mircea_popescu: you know, the 2nd thing i know from watching you is that this conversation suddenly spinning in circles pretty well predicts you knew you were wrong re other call.
asciilifeform: this being said, eventual getting off usg.net is a godly thing, and inescapable . but it aint a desperate pre-req to routing sanity, imho.
asciilifeform: observe that trb in fact worx pretty well, even though mircea_popescu did not lay cable.
asciilifeform: even carrying in ordinary ip net, you gain the fact of '9000+' nodes that speak only to each other, and ddos of '9000' nodes, even if somehow all of'em were known to enemy, is impractical.
mircea_popescu: and you're not in a position to lay cable just yet
mircea_popescu: you don't really gain so much by having your special packets encapsulated in tcp
asciilifeform: i daren't to presume to know whether biznis-requisite, that's a 100% mircea_popescu-grade puzzler.
asciilifeform: can carry over conventional fibers, or even telephone modem.
mircea_popescu: that hangs on various radio things.
asciilifeform: the box that entirely displaces the traditional ip routing system, and instead worx on signed packets, at GB/s, ~can~ , i suspect, be made with off-the-shelf iron. but it is a different pill, i cannot argue that it directly replaces juniperism.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: arguably. at one time asic was too costly even for the telcos to deploy en masse, and it was possible to do without. sorta like in mining.
mircea_popescu: which is not coincidentally how everything works, bitcoin, the republic, the lordship, etcetera.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-04 15:29 asciilifeform: now what i ~have~ wanted to bake, for years nao, is a box with ~2~ jacks, that tests rsa sigs on specially-defined packets at line speed, and drops all the ones that dun pass. this is imho the Right Thing, for entirely curing the disease in question.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform's research into finessing this problem, and 'yes bubble gum', so far reduces to http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-04#1847428 hypothesis ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-04 15:36 mircea_popescu: i dunno what the fuck you think juniper is ; but as a factual matter juniper is the result of exactly this conversation among dumber people ~15 years ago.
mircea_popescu: i suppose one possible conclusion would be that "yes, indeed http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-04#1847453 ; but the time to do that was PRECISELY 15 years ago ; having smarter people doesn't compensate for being late, here as everywhere else". ☝︎
asciilifeform: i dun disagree with mircea_popescu one bit, in re 'juniper/cisco Must Die'. but their death cannot be made from shoe string and bubble gum.
mircea_popescu: what can i tell you.
asciilifeform: rright, but in current (vs 20y ago) dc , they also incl. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-04#1847454 . ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-04 15:14 asciilifeform: ( 'industrial' telco gear is pretty much 'bsd box with array of GB nics soldered in' + some shitware )
asciilifeform: 'are you launching capsule into orbit or not' 'plox to 1st say, where is orbit, how big capsule, tovarisch stalin'
asciilifeform: if problem is defined in such a way that i can honestly say that i have from what to make it, and can be made to work to spec -- will make. otherwise not.
mircea_popescu: are you making the alt juniper or arent you ? ☟︎