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asciilifeform: valentinbuza: lemme guess, you are the victim of a recent university 'education' ? got quite bit of unlearning to do.
asciilifeform: exactly same set of idiocies, repackaged in 'modern' flavour.
asciilifeform: it is in no way whatsoever better.
asciilifeform: then what the hell is it ?
asciilifeform: ( and in particular if 'whatever you like' includes diffie hellman and nullcipher )
asciilifeform: a 'standard' that consists of 'go and implement whatever you like' is not a standard in any meaningful sense. ☟︎
asciilifeform: then it is not definitive and ergo entirely useless even at own stated purpose.
asciilifeform: incidentally all existing systems that do pubkey crypto in real time ( incl. 'noise' ) are trivially breakable by the enemy, because no constant-time numeric stack currently exists publicly.
asciilifeform: spyked: trb is very long way from 'sane object' but otherwise yes.
asciilifeform: uses same idiot diffiehell, same idiot symmetric ciphers, same morass of moving parts.
asciilifeform: mno. it is exactly the same thing, under slightly variant sauce.
asciilifeform: nobody here uses tls .
asciilifeform: valentinbuza: behold, for instance, http://shop.nosuchlabs.com << a www store that does not and never will use tls/ssl
asciilifeform: and entirely useless.
asciilifeform: it is a crock of shit.
asciilifeform: tls is not the standard of comparison.
asciilifeform: diffie hellman is thoroughly ( and likely irreparably ) porous to nsa.
asciilifeform: and why is diffie hellman in the standard.
asciilifeform: WHY IS IT IN THE STANDARD
asciilifeform: and why the massive pile of moving parts is necessary.
asciilifeform: this does not explain why this is a standardized feature.
asciilifeform: it exists so that enemy can coax your proggy into switching to it.
asciilifeform: nullcipher has no business being an option. period.
asciilifeform: how does it matter what context ?
asciilifeform: valentinbuza: also recommend to read the mircea_popescu's intro, in the chan greetingline ☟︎
asciilifeform: valentinbuza: logs live at http://btcbase.org/log , http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/today , http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema ( 3 separate d00dz, separate boxes )
asciilifeform: valentinbuza: didja read today's log ? answr'd re 'noise' etc.
asciilifeform: ( firefox is the one that has the added 'feature' of eating GBs of ram for no reason ) ☟︎
asciilifeform: all of the graphical wwwtrons are, afaik, ~same.
asciilifeform: 'tests how we can collect additional data in a privacy preserving way' << lol!
asciilifeform: valentinbuza: 'lynx' is, i think, quite popular among the folx here
asciilifeform finally eaten l0gz
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1701790 << would be interesting to read moar re this ☝︎☟︎
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1701766 << context was, emulated bolix crashes, original iron -- never ( short of physical failure ) ☝︎
asciilifeform: you get 300k transistors and that's that, use'em well.
asciilifeform: 1980s chips were jewels not because of any magic, but because the option of bloat was simply unavailable to hardware designers then.
asciilifeform: when saw that the ~original~ src was a pile of shithacks, lost interest in anything but the electron microscopy path ( like it or not, 1uM process folks were ~forced~ to make compact description ) ☟︎
asciilifeform: asciilifeform spent ~years~ sawing both apart in ida. until learned that the whisperers have the source, recently even on shithub.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1701775 << the original bolix emulator was handwritten in asm for dec alpha ( which is why dks sells (sold?) alphas, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=186 ) . the x86-64 port never ~quite~ worked, it was a hasty c rewrite. ☝︎
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1701786 << asic miners. the original 'asics' were actual shaved fpga. the next gen -- were 'hardcopy fpga', the cheapest fab available, where you just get to define metallization layer and naught else ☝︎
asciilifeform: i dun care so much re the name, but elaborating re the resistance.
asciilifeform: mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-21#1701611 ☝︎
asciilifeform: trilema still down, btw
asciilifeform: if you don't do this -- you are very likely to have all N die at once, on same day.
asciilifeform uses this method, worx
asciilifeform: say you have 4 holes. use 3 mechanicals + 1 ssd, then few months in, replace a mechanical, then again, year later, whole thing is ssd that will not ever simultaneously burn , in theory. ☟︎
asciilifeform: pro tip : stagger them in age, by 3-4 months, the first time you build a hardware raid5 from ssds
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1701821 << i do this in my flagship wurkstationx -- but it is expensive, 'trim' dun work properly through hardware raid, they burn even faster than in singles. ☝︎
asciilifeform: i use it in workstations. but the cost is imho misplaced in a trb node, which are supposed to be a redundancy layer p2pfully in themselves !
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1701819 << ~actual~ - i.e. ~hardware~ raid -- ain't cheap, even the controller, and mobo with actual slots, for it to sit down in, each cost more than all of zoolag ! ☝︎
asciilifeform: and would cost a btc or so.
asciilifeform: tldr : a serious sanecomp board would feature a , say, 16 x 16 ~grid~ of ice40-8k.
asciilifeform: *reversed
asciilifeform: primarily because just a basic nic controller itself would take up a whole ice40 ( ice is their low-end, barebones cpld series, and was reverses without any cooperation - through kicking and screaming of, even - lattice co )
asciilifeform: but lattice per se is EXACTLY like xilinx, same profit model, closed arch, license 'ip cores'. their larger flagship fpga is exactly like xilinx 'spartan', full of proprietary peripherals, and that's the one that tends to get packaged into devboards with nic etc ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1701794 << lattice dun make the boards ☝︎
asciilifeform: on top of all this... betcha the canonical ref implementation is in overflowlang.
asciilifeform: massive pile of moving parts, aes, various post-conversion bernsteinisms, null ciphers, 'this is faster on 32-bit cpu so we're using it', let's-give-enemy-raw-bytes-from-prng, and other jokes.
asciilifeform: pretty typical usg production
asciilifeform: ( implementation becomes an underhanded-C-contest in concealing the fact of ~any~ box running the idiocy reverting to nullcipher on demand ) ☟︎
asciilifeform: '0. No confidentiality. This payload is sent in cleartext.'
asciilifeform: the 'noise protocol' link is hilarious -- even features the classic leper's bell of nsa committee , the null-cipher ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: spyked, valentinbuza ^
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-31#1474280 << metathread re subj ☝︎
asciilifeform: !#s symmetric
asciilifeform: the other lul in the 'noise protocol' is the use of symmetric ciphers ☟︎
asciilifeform: as for diffie hellman, it is nsatronic , and this is fairly well known at this point ( whether because timing side channel, primes-which-ain't, and other sabotage of concrete implementations- or more fundamentally broken - is unknown )
asciilifeform: dh in the logz is... 'dieharder'
asciilifeform: i ain't putting privkeys ( even 'old' ones ) in a networkedclosedturd . for same reasons as i will not be sending them to whoever.
asciilifeform: but ftr asciilifeform has not, personally, yet tried this.
asciilifeform: to sit down on the phorq
asciilifeform: ( 2mb and whatevers )
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: as i understand it's a couplea line patch to trb
asciilifeform: outperforms dulap, which eats half a kw or so .
asciilifeform: ssd also more , obviously, compact, and lower current. e.g. zoolag is approx the size of my fist. and runs from a wall wart.
asciilifeform: and ssd is considerably more pleasant to have around in close quarters, and doesn't lead you to dive into machine cellar to swap dying drives bimonthly
asciilifeform: though to date i've found the cost, to be similar.
asciilifeform: it may prove more economical to run spinning disks with slice raid, vs ssd. ☟︎
asciilifeform: this being said, even respectably thick (500+ GB) ssd will burn out long before it fills.
asciilifeform: more ssdblocks total -> fewer writes per block per hour -> slower death
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1701681 << before i fughet -- i will also point out, all else being equal , a ssd that is larger relative to the size of the blockchain -- will die more slowly ( trim MUST work for this to hold ) ☝︎
asciilifeform: even to 'empty' addr ( would you share an 'old' pgp key?! )
asciilifeform: putting your cock in the mains socket, is both wiser , more +ev, more pleasant, and less of a screaming abuse of the equipment and of the entire discipline that produced it, than sharing private keys.
asciilifeform: but with the added feature that it sets up a permanent wormhole between the sharers -- he gets hiv 20yrs later? now you do too.
asciilifeform: sharing privkeys, for any reason at all, is quite like sharing syringe needles
asciilifeform: it's called 'priv' for a reason.
asciilifeform: not with mother, father, brother, fucktoy, nobody.
asciilifeform: imho this hypothetical exercise falls under the banner of Do. Not. Share. Privkeyz. With. Anyone. It. Never. Ends. Well. ☟︎
asciilifeform: also gotta say that the notion that pete_dushenski would subcontract out a job involving privkeys, is not very good advertisement for his service...
asciilifeform: and inquisitors apparently have iq of a broken dish and always give up at first chance, also...
asciilifeform: pass privs to pig who passes to cow who passes to duck who.
asciilifeform: because somebody somewhere would totally do that
asciilifeform: lol
asciilifeform: disclosing privs to empty addrs proves ownership to whoever finds them. ☟︎
asciilifeform: mno
asciilifeform: but i dun see how you could use someone else's help in this exercise, without disclosing your inner rectal seekritz.
asciilifeform: if i go through the bother of setting up the furnace, i'm certainly burning all.
asciilifeform: lol
asciilifeform: why the fuck would i want to keep any.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: consider what is involved in selling-all-your-forkolade