asciilifeform: the 'we can create 10bil plates of shitburger to go with the vouchers if only we KomyoonityOrganizeStoneSoup correctly' is simply slightly moar elaborate version of same.

asciilifeform: the borderline-retarded buy it because retarded; the cynical grifters buy it because 'i'll be first to the trough'

asciilifeform: 'we'll feed everybody by printing 10bil foodvouchers' is an eternal plague

asciilifeform: aha

asciilifeform: doing normal things

asciilifeform: to the wind generation, cowboy is normal d00d

asciilifeform has theory, that one of the fundamental and incurable psychodysfunctions of the ameritard is the picture, formed in childhood, of 'world of plenty', 'infinite resources', 'as soon said as done', 'just needs to be managed and komyoonitiorganized' etc

asciilifeform: but the next, that didn't

asciilifeform: the interesting bit is that it wasn't, appears, the generation that played civ, that grew into these

asciilifeform: 'Mouthbreathers living in squalor all over the US are mentally preparing to solve the 3rd world's famine problems. Just in case. You never know when you suddenly become powerful. Fucking Cinderella syndrome, an entire generation of sleeping beauties.'

asciilifeform: http://trilema.com/2014/agency-and-other-notes/ ftr.

asciilifeform: indeed

asciilifeform: oh hah mircea_popescu linked it few min ago

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: where was the 'game plan' thread

asciilifeform: nothing, afaik, quite like this.

asciilifeform: ( not, at any rate, explicitly )

asciilifeform: at least sov gosplan never rose to the megalomania of 'plan future of all man'

asciilifeform: how can you read this without barfing, kanzure ?

asciilifeform: '... we engage in a project to "drive while we drive": to strategically influence the main factors that will strategically influence the future.'

asciilifeform: kanzure: re your link, do you know what gosplan was ?

asciilifeform: either that, or 9,999 possible other 'i put an f1 engine in my trabant' failure modes.

asciilifeform: but point being, never came remotely close to useful item in man.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: d00d had some quite musculatured, and not otherwise mutilated ( as far as anybody could tell ) rat

asciilifeform: kanzure: kindergarten gametheory

asciilifeform: the inventor of the original usg - yes - quite disagreed.

asciilifeform: it's zeta, comes and impales your entire fucking village to make the point that NO, you can't model it.

asciilifeform: one of the aspects, imho, of serious power, is that it does not present itself in the form of an 'exam' that examgrinder derps can 'study' for an' finesse.

asciilifeform: re 'if you're modellable, you are a mechanical part, not a power'

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-18#1686026 << see also thread ☝︎

asciilifeform: kanzure: the alternative is amply illustrated in the logs : effort of actual people, without any trace of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-07#1640325 ☝︎

asciilifeform still doesn't quite grasp what the q was, that kanzure wants answerd

asciilifeform: (well not quite tonne, iirc 100 litres or so per )

asciilifeform: for 1 dose.

asciilifeform: by the tonne.

asciilifeform: problem is, only known source -- human blood

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: funnily enough, BchE is ~the~ preantidote. inject couplea grams, and walk right through vx.

asciilifeform: (waring co. makes appropriate-size blender.)

asciilifeform: otherwise we'dve simply put mongeese through blender.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it also had to be a (mostly)human BchE. because injectable.

asciilifeform misread as 'scam technologies'

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the competition used goats. afaik eventually went broke, 0 result.

asciilifeform: and nobody found out specifically why.

asciilifeform: kanzure: reactor was pointedly not the problem. the trait simply wouldn't stick.

asciilifeform: ( virulence vanishes )

asciilifeform: was major problem for the biowar folx

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they also 'unlearn' as quickly as 'learned', the extra crud. it dun help'em survive in the welfarestat^H^H^H^H^Hculturevat . so they ditch it

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2013-12-10#414094 << ☝︎

asciilifeform: kanzure: see the earlier thread re subj, yes

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: thermocycler is just this programmable chiller/oven item. follows a curve.

asciilifeform: kanzure: the fundamental confusion is actually very similar to the one in your earlier nanotech

asciilifeform: the 'warhol, choose can of coke on left or right' system atwork.

asciilifeform: shinohai: that thing exists so that beckman et al can justify their 5figs payola for ~same thing, 'looksy, them derps'

asciilifeform: when you have an expense acct from usg.academia, you not only dun give a fuq what the instrument costs -- but the option of 'use peltier' is not even on the table

asciilifeform: ^ the lulzy bit is not that it exists ( it existed 10y ago ) but that it had 0 effect on the cost of 'pro' apparatus

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: whichthing

asciilifeform: lol!!

asciilifeform: on sinecures

asciilifeform: because it ain't about results, the 'field' is about spending cheap usg spendolade

asciilifeform: ( though NOW with peltier in it )

asciilifeform: and afaik TO THIS DAY the 'pro' machine costs 8k

asciilifeform: i remember the first time i used a pcr thermocycler and was told 'costs 8k usd', and thought 'are you all retarded, peltier on my cpu cost 10bux'

asciilifeform: FUCKGOATS, for instance, obsoleted entire pseudoindustry.

asciilifeform: kanzure: terrible reason. you'd be surprised on what can be done for almost no money.

asciilifeform: i'll even buy a ticket to watch.

asciilifeform: cool the print nozzle, make transgenic muscle army, annihilate the derps.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-28#1704234 << my q for kanzure -- why not do this with own hands ? what do you need the heathens for ? just do it. iirc you even have money. and hands. so. do. it. ☝︎

asciilifeform: but there are very very few of these known.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-28#1704198 << there do exist known single-locus items. just as 'flip this byte to nop and removes the derpy copyprotection' was a thing in manmade items. ☝︎

asciilifeform: so logical -- a la 'dumpster', 'xerox'.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-28#1704196 << mno. 'druzhba' (friendship) was THE sov-era chainsaw. ☝︎

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that was dog's version of writing.

asciilifeform: aha.

asciilifeform: model axon as 'leaky feeder coax'.

asciilifeform: it handily explains the reflex speed 'g-loadedness', for instance.

asciilifeform: re (possibly all) extant variation in various cns 'horsepower'

asciilifeform: kanzure ^ somewhere in there, we had a testable hypothesis.

asciilifeform: !#s myelin

asciilifeform: not the only. but possibly only one who sprechens englisch

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-30#1690893 << ☝︎

asciilifeform: there kanzure , you oughta be able to voice. try to stay interesting.

asciilifeform: !!v 9B2D09B4E781D769A3ED96E4E8DCBDD4772EF823D6E966EE7F96F32D66DE9DB5

asciilifeform: !!rate kanzure 1 rezident

asciilifeform: yeah why not

asciilifeform: lol

asciilifeform: !!rated kanzure

asciilifeform: http://trilema.com/2014/fata-morgana-or-the-mirage-of-a-free-and-open-market/ << mircea_popescu

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-07#1563426 ? ☝︎

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: which

asciilifeform: !#s yudkowsky

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: crackpot with looong history, goes back to '90s

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: thiel's catamite. he even bought him a harem, so he can pretend 'just like mp!'

asciilifeform: the number of coolies illicitly removed from their chinese rice field and paid to 'publish or perish' cock-pulling adventure in usa, has 0 impact on anything.

asciilifeform: kanzure: civ1 lied to you: there ain't such a thing as a 'money to discovery converter' you can shovel freshly-printed benjies into, and get transgenic mighty man out

asciilifeform never once heard of a maaku

asciilifeform: i did say 'two hands', not 'four hooves', neh

asciilifeform: with which you build things.

asciilifeform: from outside of yer own two hands.

asciilifeform: kanzure: realize that your entire corpus of 'knowledge' is of approx same grade as 'get married, grow taller!'

asciilifeform: ( picture if programmers were only paid for ~working~ soft... )

asciilifeform: evidently that ain't enough, or, e.g., software would work