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asciilifeform: lulzily enough i have a crate with the 7700k coming in today (to put in a heathentron), will see how it worx.

asciilifeform: while we're in cpuwank mode, 'The Intel Core i7-7700K is what happens when a chip company stops trying. The i7-7700K is the first desktop Intel chip in brave new post-"tick-tock" world—which means that instead of major improvements to architecture, process, and instructions per clock (IPC), we get slightly higher clock speeds and a way to decode DRM-laden 4K streaming video. Huzzah.'

asciilifeform: incidentally this is a good small research project -- 'what was the last pre-fritzing opteron'

mircea_popescu: say a name alfie.

asciilifeform: (must point out, though, opteron was not a cheap-side chip, and the mobo that ate it -- also was not, was top-of-the-line in amd world)

asciilifeform: ok to be perfectly clear, i compared 2 boxes, one -- the aforementioned crapple, one -- a 2x2393SE.

asciilifeform: i realized that this is comical a while back and started building a new 'toilet' box , but it isn't done yet.

asciilifeform: (a la dulap)

mircea_popescu: dude... explain what singularity you live in where a half the bus clock half the cores half the cache ONE QUARTER POWER chip is still, somehow, better.

mircea_popescu: so then. you probably need a dozen bridged crapples to touch the amd box.

asciilifeform: best amd box i have is a 2socket x 2393SE.

asciilifeform: (and yes, a lappy)

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's a 'modern' chip, and fritzed.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: fx is not a ecc chip

mircea_popescu: and it costs a coupla hundy not a coupla grand, either.

mircea_popescu: USE A COMPUTER

mircea_popescu: you're the worst sort of engineers, i swear, the kind who calculate tomato production of balcony and are proud to wash their teeth with a motorcycle engine adaptation contraption.

mircea_popescu: why the everloving would you valgrind on a laptop ?

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: phun phakt, i replicated phuctor on a mac lappy (it happened to be the one in the room with sufficient free disk) and it works -- except that apparently gdb no longer works on latest crapple os ☟︎☟︎

mircea_popescu: anyway, major point here being "how expensive" is not a good criteria for card. either dig up in the specs or use the cards ppl runnign the thing ask you to

a111: Logged on 2017-01-06 11:19 davout: asciilifeform: was there a thread re the side-channel attacks on openssl's ecdsa signature?

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-06#1597384 << i used a similar device to connect fpga card to thinkpad, coupla years ago ☝︎

Framedragger: right, i can see how that can be bundled up into a business product.

Framedragger: (not worth if you have a really high end gfx card tho - waste of money)

Framedragger: :O MIT 1960s A.I. & lisp frenzy, a reboot

Framedragger: it's a well known fact that an unbalanced high number of parentheses results in irc ping timeouts.

Framedragger: !~later tell gabriel_laddel_p "I cannot presently maintain a connection to IRC." << get a bouncer ffs. ping me if you'd like a free one

davout: asciilifeform: was there a thread re the side-channel attacks on openssl's ecdsa signature? ☟︎

ben_vulpes: notion, iirc, was to make a "release" vpatch that added *something* to *every file in the tree* to neck the patch graph down

mircea_popescu: so there's a version comment there, what of it ?

mircea_popescu: i'm not proposing it as a solution ; i'm not even sure exactly what you're talking about. just lulzing to self.

mircea_popescu gives it even odds this ends up with a "include prev hash in comments in files".

ben_vulpes: not inverted, as far as i can tell it's a fine place in the flow for it to be. i'm a bit discomfited, and am poking an old thread about "release vpatches" that seems to have surfaced unexplainedly in the makefiles vpatch

mircea_popescu: yeah i can't say i have a very good model of why it happens.

ben_vulpes: mod6: on previous thread, i have a vague memory of stuffing a RELEASE stanza in every file of a release to neck the tree down

ben_vulpes: what i want is a "bitch do the obvious thing" switch

mircea_popescu: there's prolly a "stfu" switch

BingoBoingo: Studfinders? Nah magnet on a pivot that "catches" on ferrous metal like nails

asciilifeform: it's a standard american 15amp circuit

asciilifeform: not enough of a spike to propagate down the wire to where i have the plotter

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i saw interesting variant of this, with the selfsame led bulbs, where a dead lamp would light for about 1/2 second after the live one connected in tandem switched (from wall switch) off !

BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> honestly i have nfi what a "doorbell" is for. police doesn't knock anymore anyway and everyone else should make a fucking appointment. << apparently they are for backfeeding current into switched circuits they are wired off of when said circuits are "off"

asciilifeform: btw, bonus tip for tuned-in folx, it dun hurt to have a number of cameras pointed at door- or window-shaped holes in your dwelling, some of which are prominent, and might depend on mains current, but others -- not so prominent, and do not, and do not write to the net or to any place you can get to other than by demolishing whole bldg

asciilifeform: not everybody has a guard booth with servant chilling his bones by the antitank ditch on the edge of the dirigible field.

mircea_popescu: honestly i have nfi what a "doorbell" is for. police doesn't knock anymore anyway and everyone else should make a fucking appointment.

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i do have a voltage plotter here, though.

asciilifeform: this place didn't even have a doorbell until i put in chinese battery-powered thing

BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> (now, they ALSO burn after 6mo. so not all that useful.) << Have you hunted for miswired low voltage hvac or door bell transformers? I had a "bulb killing fixture" that was tamed by removing backfeeding noisy ass doorbell transformer.

asciilifeform: i do different thing -- mail the lamps back, with a note about considering www article re rubbish lamp, and inviting maker to consider honouring the warranty

mircea_popescu: having menawhile colored their glass a very superb tint of rose through metal deposition

mircea_popescu: anyway, this is a thing of the 70s, mostly gone now. the modern northern "window" is so insulating as you couldn't believe.

asciilifeform: a small angle makes for fat diff in atmosphere b/w you and sun, consider how beach umbrella worx.

a111: Logged on 2017-01-05 21:53 asciilifeform: ~0 of which gets through typical lamp dome, just as nobody gets sunburn from sitting near a window indoors.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-05#1597100 << this is not actually true, ftr. back in the days of unfloated double-panel with gas separator, you could get plenty sunburnt in the northern solaria domes during their pathetic excuse for a summer. ☝︎

mircea_popescu: ~you~ have a gut ?

mircea_popescu: is he like, a duck ? has threaded business tool ?

mircea_popescu deduces mistress is a boy. LOGIC PREVAILS.

mircea_popescu: if you say "can't pretend to visit mistress when wife is in same haus" the parser wil lsettle on "that's because wife and girl share a bedroom."

asciilifeform: aha, he has the air of a 2-engined fella

a111: Logged on 2017-01-05 21:13 phf: it's safe to save 66.35.48.19 for glyf.org, it's been the same ip for the past 10 years or so. in fact, assuming this is not some weird overflow issue, today is a birthday on glyf.org machine. 2048 days uptime

asciilifeform: though oddly enough, the hovels where i lived as a student were old enough to have proper ceilings !

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i took a 100w-max one apart not long ago, found that even it includes fiberglass fireproofing thing next to ceiling

BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: 200watt fixture is typically a flat disk of porcelain with socket. What mega dissipation?

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2017/towards-a-better-hash-function/#comment-120966 << comment got snippetysnipped!

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: not practical to put a 200w-dissipating fixture on a ceiling already so low mircea_popescu would scratch the top of his dome if he came to my house

BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> the other thing about these lamps is that (at least i find) they are addictive -- after stuffing 2 100w-imitators into a fixture that cannot physically hold 2 100w edison bulbs without catching fire, it is painful to go back << Just get new porcelain fixture. 150 to 300 Watt edisons are still available

a111: Logged on 2017-01-05 20:48 asciilifeform: (why jam 1 user at a time, wtf)

asciilifeform: (a '100w' imitator eats 10-15w)

asciilifeform: the other thing about these lamps is that (at least i find) they are addictive -- after stuffing 2 100w-imitators into a fixture that cannot physically hold 2 100w edison bulbs without catching fire, it is painful to go back

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: it ain't a 'flawed' experimental design, any more than a land mine is a 'flawed' dinner plate

asciilifeform: (leaving entirely aside the validity of a burrowing animal as a model for blindness via overexposure to ~whatever~ wavelength of light)

ben_vulpes: i suppose because if a thing cannot be claimed about the research lab's pet topics, it is not worth publishing?

ben_vulpes: looking a bit more like "oop, flawed experimental design"

asciilifeform: ~0 of which gets through typical lamp dome, just as nobody gets sunburn from sitting near a window indoors. ☟︎

asciilifeform: (if i missed a 'and we had ~0-uvpermeability glass in front of the rat cage...' plz correct me...)

asciilifeform: but from abstract, it seems like a stretch, charitably. (blinds with uv? asciilifeform sunburns in about 5minutes, and so owns a uv dosimeter, it reads 0 at point blank range from led bulbs of whatever make -- i have at least 5 popular models here.)

phf: it's safe to save 66.35.48.19 for glyf.org, it's been the same ip for the past 10 years or so. in fact, assuming this is not some weird overflow issue, today is a birthday on glyf.org machine. 2048 days uptime ☟︎

diana_coman: asciilifeform, iirc there was a clog thing that was just one header - quite basic though and I have no idea in what state it is currently (i.e. whether of any use really)

asciilifeform: (why jam 1 user at a time, wtf) ☟︎

asciilifeform: trinque: ideally just a few 100 (max) lines of .h

trinque: asciilifeform: has to be a lib?

asciilifeform: anybody know of a lightweight and non-automake-infested log library for c proggy ?

trinque: I reiterate that I would love to have a guy I can holler at and throw money at to improve CLIM

a111: Logged on 2017-01-05 11:11 mircea_popescu: incidentally ben_vulpes did you end up with a masamune thingee ?

ben_vulpes: hey could i beg a translation of the forum?

deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/towards-a-better-hash-function/ << Trilema - Towards a better hash function

a111: Logged on 2017-01-05 02:09 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-05#1596739 << while this does give me a diff envy, i'm cooking something that asciilifeform might find useful http://glyf.org/tmp/press-tree.png

mod6: yeah, i did get a chance to skim the PHP, but not much else yet.

deedbot: http://www.contravex.com/2017/01/05/a-quick-trick-to-save-medium-articles-before-they-go-bye-bye/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - A quick trick to save Medium articles before they go bye-bye.

shinohai: IT'S A TRAP

mircea_popescu: "James Mickens is a researcher in the Distributed Systems group at Microsoft’s Redmond lab. His current research focuses on web applications, with an emphasis on the design of JavaScript frameworks that allow developers to diagnose and fix bugs in widely deployed web applications." << i hope someone seduced his spouse

Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-04#1596442 << haha! :) haven't heard of it (if you mean the tea brand). gift looks nice - hopefully there's actual proper .lt honey in it (if so - ftw / gonna be a treat). dunno what the odds for that are tho. ☝︎

mircea_popescu: incidentally ben_vulpes did you end up with a masamune thingee ? ☟︎

mircea_popescu: "helped make medium what it is today" ? what the everloving fuck IS it, an upstart hoping to one day be a #trilema log ? whoa!

davout: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-05#1596721 <<< 1.0 would do perfectly for that matter. "2.0" has a stench of "i just heard about Bitcoin, I'm here to fix it" ☝︎

pete_dushenski: it's a variant of thief crying thief

asciilifeform: '“Abu Muhammed Horasani” managed to escape from Reina by covering himself in his victims’ blood and used a taxi to escape the murder scene.' lolwat

asciilifeform: (whole thing a riot. 'the slow winter', j. mickens)

asciilifeform: '... You go to work hung-over, and you realize that, during a drunken conference call, you told your boss that your processor has 32 registers when it only has 8, but then you realize THAT YOU CAN TOTALLY LIE ABOUT THE NUMBER OF PHYSICAL REGISTERS, and you invent a crazy hardware mapping scheme from virtual registers to physical ones, and at this point, you start seducing the spouses of the compiler team...'

asciilifeform: never work, but then you’d test it and it would be 94% accurate, and the branches would wake up the next morning and read their newspapers and the headlines would say OUR WORLD HAS BEEN SET ON FIRE. You’d give your buddy a high-five and go celebrate at the bar, and then you’d think, “I wonder if we can make branch predictors even more accurate,” and the next day you’d start XOR’ing the branch’s PC address with a shift