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Framedragger: ahh. so you'd e.g. have a 'weaker' key (with a certain limited degree of trust) which could sign those kinds of abonimations. pretty elegant! (also disregard my "impression of strong wot" comment, i had misunderstood)
asciilifeform: (thread was iirc originally about a vtronic gentoo cleanup, and i noted that nobody with half a brain would sign a gig of dubious rubbish code with their naked, unvectored lordly key)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu proposed this as a somewhat cleaner solution to the vectored-sig problem
Framedragger: creating an impression of a strong wot and so on, i see. ☟︎
asciilifeform: and yes i have nfi what is with this preoccupation with charging each other pennies for a ~0-cost pipeline
Framedragger: ben_vulpes: suresure, i agree that it'd be fine, but i expect someone could concoct a "sybil account keeps draining pennies" argument.. but eh. yeah.
asciilifeform: replicating a.is would not be all that hard, could even use an instrumented civilian browser
asciilifeform: phf: a public www toilet ideally would have guaranteed isolation of universes.
asciilifeform: if your www renderer has a hole...
asciilifeform: phf: this method has a problem
a111: Logged on 2016-10-21 21:42 phf: they are using Qt webkit integration, either through a hacked up version of phantomjs, or something handwritten. there's enough hooks in qt, that you can figure out what was loaded, where it got stored in local cache and where it's being used.
ben_vulpes: we have a log attributing lines to wot members whence this nonsense i ask you
asciilifeform: Framedragger: mircea_popescu had a more recent discussion re 'sybil constellations'
Framedragger: asciilifeform: there's that station-key vs. identity-key idea of yours, perhaps the former could could be allowed to go a few cents into debit, though this is maybe a road to complexity madness..
asciilifeform: if we were on mars and paid a buck a byte for bw, it'd almost make sense
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i'm not pulling out the fucking launch codes to sign a beobachter url omfg
ben_vulpes: should be a paid service, really, debiting the accounts of whomever pastes the link
asciilifeform: (a standard heathen browser loads same crud in a fee sec)
Framedragger: asciilifeform: actually what i also like about archive.is (don't get me wrong, i agree that trusting a service run by some d00d not in wot isn't super future-proof, ahem) is that it *does* save a bitmap rendered image for the site, too
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: child will get distracted by the wonder that is a fistful of pb tho
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: I didn't think dogs, especially big dogs had a concept of "plenty" when it came to peanut butter.
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-07#1598387 << Just set a jar of peanut butter between then and let them sort it out ☝︎
Framedragger: (and in regards to duplication of effort, technically yes, i think (though you're advising web.archive.org'd sites to be then submitted to archive.is, right?), but that can't be a bad thing. additional prudent advice could include "how to save local copy with images and stylesheets" note, i guess..)
Framedragger: pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2017/01/05/a-quick-trick-to-save-medium-articles-before-they-go-bye-bye/#comment-53750
pete_dushenski is more enthralled with japanese culture by the day. intends to construct a house (and garage) stocked with their finest products.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the reason it's a tree is ~because we say so~, not because in and of itself it ~is~. there's no way for a pile of code to be a tree outside of the will of the people writing code.
phf: adlai: i agree, it's a general graph, rather than a tree, has loops etc.
phf: the read part of the story is vapid, but the unread part is more interesting, and therefore will be completely missed by the target audience of that article: somewhere in the world, there's a corporation that can change its ~internal communications language~ because the ceo said so
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski fortunately nobody gives a flying fuck what esl speakers say on any topic. this is very deeply difficult for the selfsame esltards to grok, but it DOES explain why trilema is more widely read than nytimes.
adlai: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-06#1597363 << please excuse the nitpick, but given this thread, 'tree' is a misnomer. ☝︎
pete_dushenski: one can only attribute the electronic reliability of toyotas and hondas to the availability of ~the right kind~ of coders in japan. compare and contrast with those of us or germany, it'd be a hoot. ☟︎
phf: i think if you shutdown kernel will give a grace period to stuck userspace processes and then kill 9 it anyway
ben_vulpes: yeah phf makes a point: kill -9 can hose data.
ben_vulpes: you can nuke a stuck node in place without having to restart the whole machine.
pete_dushenski: Framedragger: can you shed some light on how exactly scriba archives ? wondering if my little 'medium trick' has any merit at all or is merely a duplication of effort if links are dropped in-chan
ben_vulpes: i left -verifyall in my node's boot script for some reason, took me a minute to figure out why it was taking forever to reboot the other day
pete_dushenski: !~later tell gabriel_laddel_p "what do you think of the recent porsche cayennes?" << if you're thinking of one as a residence, i could see it.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: haha yup, the wild west needs a wittle washing ;) and ty for the qntra ups, might've been the first time BingoBoingo actually used my suggested title!
ben_vulpes: phf: consider making http://btcbase.org/patches/*/seal/ return a plaintext list of seals?
mod6: Anyway, nice chatting for a minute ... but I better get back to work :]
mod6: for a short trip, fuck yea. otherwise, no.
mircea_popescu: listen, take a break. all this "work" you do on computers is getting in the way of your life.
Framedragger: verifying ovh downtime is sometimes a matter of deciphering french tweets from this octave guy https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/378800000515962445/dbcf2529f787de1233a72011d216d992_400x400.jpeg straight from french cinema
gabriel_laddel_p: ben_vulpes: you realize that there will be a price hike after this is complete correct?
mircea_popescu: everything i hear about ovh makes me think it's a french company.
Framedragger: ben_vulpes: iirc with ovh, paypal sometimes doesn't clear till next business day. possibly same with CC. needs to be checked manually. if you raise a ticket with them they'll tell you that, and nothing will get fast-tracked. :/
a111: Logged on 2017-01-08 00:51 adlai: !~later tell gabriel_laddel_p and fwiw, i have somewhere in my desk-mess a whiteboard+eraser that make beatiful love without any solvents
ben_vulpes: gabriel_laddel_p: omg come back with a reproducible build
ben_vulpes: hey ovh why does it take more than fifteen seconds to charge a cc? what do you use, bitcoin? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: more voice more voice have a look 'an here we go
ben_vulpes: anything other than "yeah i'll get right on it" is a "no" in my book
mircea_popescu: i dunno why he expects "i'll act like mp" will work for him, but i guess it's worth a shot.
Framedragger: ("supposed" and "putting this together" is really stretching it, but i agree that "hey i didn't commit to anything" is a really shitty attitude, of the same kind as "i hacked up loggotron but it's bad lol")
mircea_popescu: a ok.
Framedragger: i told gabriel i'd be interested in reviewing clim-web etc.; he sent me a very nice email with instructions incl. setup; this was 20 dec; i didn't have time to look at it.
adlai: !~later tell gabriel_laddel_p and fwiw, i have somewhere in my desk-mess a whiteboard+eraser that make beatiful love without any solvents ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-07 23:22 adlai tells that one story about the math teacher that drew a line on the blackboard, then fisted it to uproars from the audience
adlai: gabriel_laddel_pm | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-07#1598715 < also, it sounds like you might have been sorely miseducated your entire life. << whaddya want, he was a populist; yet in his defense, he was my first math^H^Harithmetic teacher who... how do i put this, had a mentor relationship with his charges rather than just "these are the numbers, these are their sums" ☝︎
gabriel_laddel_p: and a bot you can "deedbot" a networked program to
gabriel_laddel_p: phf: instead of having "web applications" we have a +v, invite only irc channel where our CL programs communicate. Well-formed messages are treated as FTP endpoints to download arbitrary information.
adlai: gabriel_laddel_p: please don't give me makework, it's more than enough to have received a rootset of (what's the word that means what 'people' actually mean when they say 'hopefully'?) useful material.
gabriel_laddel_p: phf: anyways, I have suggested using a +v irc channel + CL-FTP + beirc as a "CLIM-web" so we can ditch the browser tomorrow
phf: gabriel_laddel_p: have you tried resurrecting (?) beirc, seems like a proper tmsr machine needs an irc client
gabriel_laddel_p: adlai: anyways, to that point, there is no deadline for any of this, but your updates should be ~weekly and you should be working on it 6hrs+ a day if you want your life to amount to anything.
asciilifeform: (easier in the sense that the perpetrator does not risk having his withholdchain invalidated by a 'wild' tx being included twice (dun ask me why this would be a concern, but we DO know that they program with arse muscles) or conceivably mined by another
adlai: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-06#1597346 << 09:13:20 adlai | one could argue a lot of things, such as "miners should voluntarily reduce the block size, to drive up fees, and then increase the block ☝︎
gabriel_laddel_p: netmonk: and a copy of the book
gabriel_laddel_p: netmonk: then come back after a month or so and we'll see if we can have an actual conversation.
netmonk: gabriel_laddel_p: that's a valid reason currently
gabriel_laddel_p: netmonk: start here: http://trilema.com/2014/a-compendium-of-basic-points-about-bitcoin-for-the-benefit-of-various-confused-noobs/
gabriel_laddel_p: also, if you could locate the precise knuth book where he discusses balanced ternery, and then find me a warez copy, that would be useful ☟︎
gabriel_laddel_p: adlai: anyways, iirc hackers delight is a bunch of tricks for binary machines. I see no reason why you shouldn't just skip it.
deedbot: adlai rated gabriel_laddel_p 1 << likely impostor until verified otherwise, still needs a bouncer; otoh, talks plenty smart.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: according to dan weinreb (who died a couplea years ago; was one of the key smbx folx, and then -- much later -- also the orbitz air tickets thing) wrote (on his www, that is now vanished, though archive.org might have snapshot),
deedbot hands you a broomstick.
adlai: gabriel_laddel_p: what is a use?
asciilifeform: a while ago.
adlai tells that one story about the math teacher that drew a line on the blackboard, then fisted it to uproars from the audience ☟︎
gabriel_laddel_p: adlai: what is a deadline?
adlai: (also you seem to vastly overestimate my competence, which is fine - a common mistake. others here seem to have a better idea of it)
gabriel_laddel_p: adlai: got a gentoo machine sitting around?
a111: Logged on 2015-05-23 06:52 gabriel_laddel: ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> ben_vulpes in particular it's unclear to me how wise the "licenses" angle is for a serenissima derivative. while i declined to anull IP when diametric asked earlier, i am very very far from any sort of belief that the current model of that stack of stupidity has any sort of hope for survival. << i figured (perhaps stupi
a111: Logged on 2017-01-07 20:48 mircea_popescu: anyway, entertaining the thing as you describe at face value : if indeed your concern is a sort of bastardization as conceptually constructible from the foregoing, then the correct move is to build your masamune on musl and attach a license that forbids the empire (such as for instance the trb license ; or else one stating to use must be in l2, or rated by you, or any such thing). this will mostly protect you both technically
a111: Logged on 2017-01-07 20:46 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-07#1598536 << the btcbase logs run on lisp for instance. in fact #tmsr is afaik the largest lisp codebase in actual use (ignoring for a moment whatever portions of AWOG alf may wish to bring up).
gabriel_laddel_p: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-07#1598584 < google flights probably has a bigger LoC count. ☝︎
Framedragger: this reminds me of when i earnestly tried to pull a "do you even positivism" russell's teapot "prove it" on mp re. his claims on Tor
gabriel_laddel_p: less hash, more sitting at a lisp REPL
mircea_popescu: which is exactly what a colony is : a female state.
mircea_popescu: feminine pov. if you're a herd animal, trust === control.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo : s/Washington alone/<a href=http://btcbase.org/log/2014-11-19#928005>Washington alone</a>/ ? ☝︎
mircea_popescu: i only have a vague idea of what im gonna do with it anyway, will clarify in time.
asciilifeform: or is there a storehouse with actual germans still in it, in cryostorage, next to the nazi ufo and atomic bell ?
mircea_popescu: -a = -dR
gabriel_laddel_p: when creating my image, why must I copy using cp -dpR /somedir/* /someotherdir/ rather than the -a flag?
mircea_popescu: it might be a good idea to write all these down ; there's a decent chance people here may read, and a not negligible chance at least one knows why it fails.
gabriel_laddel_p: mircea_popescu: something like that. There are a whole slew of issues: the init that Martin ships works fine, but if I substitute my own init - breaks. Among a million other things I have don't understand, such as
mircea_popescu: in my own mind, it's just unsquash the image, impose a portage on it / make other customisations and resquash it. at least that's how it ~should~ work what the everloving fuck.
mircea_popescu: for a bootloader i meant
gabriel_laddel_p: Yes. For one, I can't create a working livecd. Secondly, it should not touch your personal files when replicating.
mircea_popescu: and this is for some reason mroe than a dozen lines of bash, for instance ?