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mircea_popescu: diana_coman right you are indeed. i
take it you're also familiar ?
diana_coman: <mircea_popescu>
this seems even perfectly reasonable, who wouldn't want
to be right, until you understand
the undertone. which eminently was "and perfectly willing
to put on
the adequate blinders for
this effect" -> imo
that is better expressed as "only interested in not being wrong" - quite different from being interested in being right
a111: Logged on 2018-09-19 16:37 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: expand re
the engineers point
diana_coman: mircea_popescu> asciilifeform in
the girl's own words, "only interested in
their being right". -> is
this re her summaries being right or what?
diana_coman: ah, as in: in
them being what you asked of her?
that's fine, sure
mircea_popescu: her job historically was
to keep overgrown idiots from running head first into bureaucratic machinery./
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, well, how does she evaluate if
they are right?
mircea_popescu: this seems even perfectly reasonable, who wouldn't want
to be right, until you understand
the undertone. which eminently was "and perfectly willing
to put on
the adequate blinders for
this effect"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in
the girl's own words, "only interested in
their being right".
mircea_popescu: but yes, on spotcheck she could produce long form of ftp and deduce long form for isp out of "- mircea_popescu suspects
that iptables is like php implementation of ftp - most people do not have
their own isp"
PeterL: it would be much more useful if
the summary included a link
to
the relevant part of
the log, so
that if an item is of interest one could read more detail
mircea_popescu: i don't
think she dares ask, partly because she spent most of her life with engineers and partly because check out how irrational
the process became
the moment she showed up.
this not common,
this, freebased cvasicriticism, in
the annals.
diana_coman: tbh if I were
to critique her summaries I'd start pretty much from same point as with
the 5yo i.e.
the way
they are know
they read as if she doesn't actually have any idea what
those
terms she uses
there mean even at a basic level and she doesn't even flag
them as such (i.e. "hey,
this afiejif wtf is it???");
to
the extent
that it all ends up as mechanical re-phrasing, it's quite stupid
mircea_popescu: yes,
the group is yet small enough and cohesive enough we can just do a deed and stuff.
PeterL: well, anybody interested would sign
the diff-of-diffs, and
then everybody switches
to using
the new format, no need
to have it locked into
the program if you are only using it once at
the change over
a111: Logged on 2018-09-19 15:19 asciilifeform: if new vtron allows mechanical preservation of ~continuity~ , i.e. i can determine mechanically
that a reground
tree is in fact same as
the old but-for-the-hashes,
then all is ok. but if not,
this'd be essentially same as
throwing past 3rs of historicity away.
mircea_popescu: just because i humiliate her, in
this as in so many ways, she has
to publish her struggle, dun mean it's somehow categorically different. erryone has piles of "this is what i understand of y"
diana_coman: all I insist on is
that he either asks someone or otherwise check in dict for words he doesn't yet know
mircea_popescu: the renoirs in "where's
the renoirs" were produced
through
the act of "here's
this cappod'opera, summarize it"
mircea_popescu: what,
they're not gonna fucking "understand" it ?! what, really, you understand
the logs ? who
the fuck understands
the logs!
mircea_popescu: think of
the whole opposability angle, will you. 1. alf : "your summaries suck" 2. bimbo "master, is
this
true ?" now i'm stuck. i'm not going
to do a 3.b. "yes, because i like him" and i can't do a 3.a. "yes, because ~SOMETHING~" as
the something's an undefined symbol.
☟︎☟︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: otherwise what is
this,
timeo mulieris et dona ferentes ?
mircea_popescu: i dun see a problem with criticism, but it gotta be criticism. it gotta critique. "this, specifically ~this~ is wrong" "that, exactly
that, is missing". something.
mircea_popescu: this isn't going
to become a monthly cycle, is it ? "i don't like
this vtree" "do you have a patch ?" "no, i just don't like it" "well... come back with a patch"
a111: Logged on 2018-08-28 16:51 mircea_popescu: also, a) gotta start somewhere ; b) she's not working
to impress you, she's working
to impress me, meaning your only productive stance is "not like
that, like ~this~" rather
than "your work doesn't make
the cut".
mod6: asciilifeform: yeah, i've been
trying
to keep up with bimbo.club
a111: Logged on 2018-09-19 14:42 mod6: Before we embark on an entire regrind of
the
trb-vtree
to use keccac, I
think we just need a major release version of a "defacto" vtron
that supports both SHA512 (for other legacy projects) and keccac. Sounds like phf's might fit
the bill, but want
to ensure
that when
the Foundation
tackles
this problem, it's on very stable footing.
BingoBoingo: Pull
the invoice off of
the Amazon orders page and get it
to me. I want
to show
the fuckers
the line for
the import
tax deposit.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, I am still waiting on a birthday card from February sent
through
the post
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2018-09-14 16:42 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo, mod6 , ben_vulpes : ordered ! 308.28 orcbux ( 62.18 of'em orc fee, 37.21 -- postage,
the rest -- 8 drives and pack of 20 adhesive hedgehogs )
BingoBoingo: I was under
the impression
that
there is a limit of 3
tax free imports under $200, which should not be relevant considering
there's an import deposit
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform:
They called me, going
to
their office. Some bullshit about "personas fisicas" and already having
two imports.
diana_coman: fwiw I was
talking strictly of *new* stuff for now; notice
that I did *not* regrind eucrypt either -
that can wait; new stuff however should use keccak imo
mod6: Before we embark on an entire regrind of
the
trb-vtree
to use keccac, I
think we just need a major release version of a "defacto" vtron
that supports both SHA512 (for other legacy projects) and keccac. Sounds like phf's might fit
the bill, but want
to ensure
that when
the Foundation
tackles
this problem, it's on very stable footing.
☟︎ mod6: To me, I'd like
to see just one
trb-vtree, one set of patches. And if
that means moving
to keccac,
then we will, and
that'll be
the only set of vpatches
that
The Foundation will distribute. (Otherwise I
think it's
too confusing, and
time consuming
to publish future vpatches in both.)
a111: Logged on 2018-09-19 13:04 asciilifeform: hey mod6 , didja ever switch
to new format in
trb ?
diana_coman: once it's ready, I'll publish it anyway and I don't see any reason why one couldn't run it anywhere
they want it, ofc
diana_coman: anyways, will wait for mircea_popescu
to weigh in on
this
too; atm I still need
to set up
the main stuff and
then
those are params
to adjust/set as required
diana_coman: heh,
that would be interesting
to see at least, yes
diana_coman: not a bad idea at all; at it's simplest I was
thinking simply serial numbering
the payloads and logging on both sides since putting
together
the 2 logs afterwards is straightforward, 1-line
thing