asciilifeform: phf: the bernsteinian 'werker' is also c proggy. ( phuctor , in all 4 versions to date, consisted of 2 pieces, running wholly separately )
asciilifeform: but note that it does not in principle differ from the version that found the first pops.
asciilifeform: anyway the above was written in a few hrs. and it is not difficult to see why thrown out.
asciilifeform: phf: i dun think i ever posted the modern ( bernsteinian ) one.
asciilifeform: the supposition that ideally-correct ffa could possibly run slower than the current one (supposing these 2 differ) i see as quite fantastic.
asciilifeform: i wouldn't disagree if thread were re ~using~. but re calculating speed ?!
asciilifeform: trinque: i won't recommend to take current ffa and put in battlefield . but proposed to calculate a bandwidth assuming current degree of ughslow
asciilifeform: how's it ever to 'in production' if mircea_popescu spits 'until in production' , lol
asciilifeform: i'd concur with mircea_popescu that one ought not connect ffa to, e.g., icbm, until it comes with proofs for all of the components, etc. -- but we do have a working modexp, from which can extrapolate pessimal speed ( it will get faster, but let's assume for said calculation that it will not )
asciilifeform: modexp ~= rsatron ( there is also keygen, but from pov of gedankenexperiment re 'what bandwidth?' you dun need it )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what's missing from your pov ?
asciilifeform: a clever buffering scheme would work mircea_popescu-style, by sending otp rngolade during idle pauses in conversation, and thereafter using.
asciilifeform: ( and yes a 0.85s item will have to buffer, and it will feel somewhat like talking to lunar base. so wat. )
asciilifeform: ( this is quite attainable using the ffa we have ~today~, supposing one allows karatsuba to split 3way on 3 cores of whatever chip you have )
asciilifeform: ... it follows that a 0.85sec 4096b modexp is all you need for a reasonable 'rsa phone' item.☟︎
asciilifeform: there are voice compressions that give quite satisfactory speech with ~300 byte/sec bandwidth
asciilifeform: btw let's do the phone thing, briefly. a 4096b rsa modexp can carry 4096b , i.e. 512byte, of payload sans padding. let's conservatively suppose that padding ( and hash auth, or whatever, and/or lubyzation, etc ) costs half of the payload room. so you get 256 byte per 4096b modexp;
asciilifeform: ( imho word 'server' is inherently misleading in this domain; oughta call 'masters' and 'slaves' , the brokers and those relying on'em respectively )
asciilifeform: ( observe that for hole punching, the 'server' does not need to be a heavy duty box that sits as 'star topology apex', but can be any of one or more boxes among the nodes themselves , at a particular time, with external ip. )☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: this in point of fact is how 'skype' worked prior to microshit having swallowed it.
asciilifeform: all you need is some way to help the nodes to open udp-hole to one another.
asciilifeform: point being, if you have a net made of gsm modems that can throw packets , you do not need a relay through which 'all calls' go - at all
asciilifeform: ( i.e. for the nodes of the network to know at all times of at least 1 member among them who has external ip )
asciilifeform: reminiscent of the 'private internet access' scamola, but for higher-budget chumpers
asciilifeform: 'In Manupassa’s case, after Dutch authorities seized Ennetcom’s servers they pushed a message out to all of the firm’s phones: if you’re, say, a doctor, lawyer, or other non-criminal user of the devices, please get in touch. No one responded to the message, even though, according to court records, Ennetcom had some 20,000 users.' << sooo precious
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/6Snbe << meanwhile, in the land of the homebrew caesar cipher experts and nsa provocateurs : 'A dizzying number of companies offer these sorts of phones all across the world: Phantom, Global Data, Encrochat, Secure Mobile, PublicPGP, PGPClass, Elite, Fortis Iceland PGP, and many more.'
asciilifeform: it is exactly what i found when i cut open prb5.3; and gpg; etc
asciilifeform: the picture mircea_popescu described is imho typical
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: is it working as intended, or is the result trb-like ( 'life support patient' ) ?
asciilifeform: seems almost like it'd be worth the expense to make own.
asciilifeform: 'unity' dun look like a 'can control'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: is the domain in question specifically 'public 3d engine libs' ?
asciilifeform: the derp who 'i am an orc and tinker because what else' and 'i am a phd and tinker because i am god and bow to me, peons' converge to very similar result, sorta like the new world and old world vulture are unrelated birds but look quite alike and have same diet and habits
asciilifeform: what's the reason to think any of the culprits had any schooling ?
asciilifeform: thread likewise seems like 'answer' to 'this operation can block'
asciilifeform: in this case the obstacle was, likely, 'operation that crashes the proggy'. to imbecile such as shitoshi, the answer is naturally 'put it in infinitely respawning thread'
asciilifeform: re 'why would anyone think to use threads' -- this is not mega-puzzle. naggum described similar situation in the bulldozer essay. imbecile sees an obstacle, reaches for the most obvious available power tool that seems to push aside the obstacle; without giving half a shit what's behind it, woods, swamp, mountain, or where the earth he pushed aside will go, and how it might interact with him later, etc
