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mircea_popescu: !~google dolitte "if i were a rich man"
asciilifeform: not long ago i saw a photo of some american mega-rich d00d, forget who, and nobody cares, his refrigerator, was full of synthetic 'budveiser' beer ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: (the 36xx console has a motherfucking m68k JUST FOR THE AUDIO - 16 bits! m68k was selling as ~cpu~ in other boxes)
a111: Logged on 2017-03-23 00:45 mircea_popescu: it is much worse to have a town of 1000 populated by 500 idiots with idiots' tastes and 20 bucks to spend each
asciilifeform: the micro warz were a textbook case of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-23#1631399 ☝︎
asciilifeform: amiga -- did; but this 'bolixed' it into a price point where it was outcompeted by the 64 !
asciilifeform: (did not ship a display. not until very late in its life)
asciilifeform: 'gimme a real comp, everything else can happen either later, or on dedicated nintendo'
a111: Logged on 2017-03-20 20:46 mircea_popescu: in other lulz, the state of casual gaming is completely fucked up. so other than utter throwaways, stuff that looks like someone's undegrad project, the ~entire market of ipad-likes (stuff that works in the browser, or else via a "light" client for windows/mac, or else as a ipad/android etc app) is wholly like this :
asciilifeform: (there are konsoomer-ready boxes for this, i had a bunch when working with the lab robot)
mircea_popescu: keep things simple. i'd rather see a bank of eight upt and another bank of 64 rs holes on the machine than the current bs.
asciilifeform: a documented ~homogeneous~ fpga, would suffice.
mircea_popescu: yes yes. still not need a foundry for this.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform a chip is a chip is a chip. it'll do whatever the fuck.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's certainly a LOT less meaningful to speak of some supposed linux-windows distinction than it was in 1997. this is what bumbling imbeciles a la ermin gun sirer aim to communicate, in their bovine fashjion, when they say "windows is perfectly safe" : not that windows is anything but the crap it always was ; but that they feel confident they've managed to smear it on everything so bereft of alternative one "sho
asciilifeform: (and this is a 'clean' example, that mostly ~works!)
asciilifeform: on many (most?) extant boxes, the thermometers sit on a 'sm' bus (2-3 wire thing, there are several variants) which in turn sits on pci bus
mircea_popescu: not 80, but a solid 40% sure.
mircea_popescu: so basically, we make a usb diagnoser, you stuff it into mystery box, it spits out the equivalent of makefiles for it, you go to hot box, create image, plop it into mystery box and it boots ?
trinque: k, there is a check at the beginning of every module which involves "is this hardware present" for drivers
trinque: you keep wanting to drag me to a point that's easily knocked down; it wont happen
trinque: just a minimal linux kernel that boots, can interrogate hardware IDs and fart out a .config
trinque: if there were, you'd boot a minimal environment that can produce a kernel config, then you'd go build your kernel, then bake that into your very own ISO
asciilifeform: trinque: i wonder if there is a means of making modules loadable ONCE per boot
trinque: isn't my doing that there is no tool to produce a kernel driver config other than booting EVERYTHING THAT EVER WAS
asciilifeform: 'convenience' is not the word. how does trinque propose to make a 'livecd' (installer, say) that uses no modules.
asciilifeform: and at the end you get a thing that stops booting when you swap raid cards etc.
asciilifeform: 'Exploiting the flaw in the vulnerable module n_hdlc does not require Microgate or SyncLink hardware. The module is automatically loaded if an unprivileged user opens a pseudoterminal and calls TIOCSETD ioctl for it setting N_HDLC line discipline.'
asciilifeform: in other recent lulz , https://archive.is/xXW9T >> '...race condition in the n_hdlc Linux kernel driver (drivers/tty/n_hdlc.c). It can be exploited to gain a local privilege escalation. ... This driver provides HDLC serial line discipline and comes as a kernel module in many Linux distributions, which have CONFIG_N_HDLC=m in the kernel config. ...introduced on 22 June 2009'
mircea_popescu: pretty much a cookie.
asciilifeform: ( for noobs -- 'stack cookie' is the -- nowadays common, at least in gccland -- practice of putting a random turd on the end of a stack that overflows, and later testing if it is still there before popping a return addr )
mircea_popescu: a lol. whatevs.
shinohai: The Prof that really isn't a Prof @ cornell
shinohai: "DoubleAgent exploits a 15 years old undocumented legitimate feature of Windows and therefore cannot be patched." https://github.com/Cybellum/DoubleAgent
mircea_popescu: and this in the best case, a good half simply buy them to deny it to memory strokers in the hope of geting more $$$ later. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: and re "folks", the elephant of sadness in the field everyone's been dancing around since forever is that none of the buyers buy for anything like a sane puyrpose. much like the 55 firebird buyer who isn't buying it in 2015 to make teenie boppers suck his cock in it ; but to drive it by city dumps and industrial zones which used to be a town and stroke his memories.
mircea_popescu: but this is a red herring, because your stated aim with the archeology is to populate your head not your desk
asciilifeform: on my desk, or in a form that'd convince folx who grew up in cmachine monkeystan -- don't have.
mircea_popescu: "concept" is not shorthand for "metaconsideration" ; concept denotes the root node of a knowledge tree. and you manifestly DO have the involved concepts, because casual remarks like http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-23#1631556 ☝︎
asciilifeform: the concepts in question reduce to very basic sanity, which the transistor-impoverished people of the '70s-'80s simply could not afford : cpu that understands context ('is this word part of a bignum? where does the array end?'), programs that hold enough info to restart/repair, and various other.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-23 03:39 asciilifeform: the old iron, doppler , is not -- contrary to the delusions of 'collectors' -- interesting per se. the ~software~ was not even interesting per se -- it was a tall pile of stinking mit hacks. the CONCEPTS, however, as described in http://www.loper-os.org/?p=284 , WERE interesting.
mircea_popescu: if the only way to get a kock gpgtron was to dig one out of the one clothing store in utah that accidentally got all the 18 evcer produced and sells one now and again when they stumble on the box in the basement -- would your idea of the gpgtron be closer or further from your current, and correct, idea of it ? which, unless i lost track, goes along the rails of "nothing in there is salvageable ; full rewrite" ?
mircea_popescu: i'm making a broader point using a rhetorical device.
mircea_popescu: wtf do i want a handblown crt for! and how much of it was ~the equivalent ?
mircea_popescu: seems to me a lot of it is a particular sort of hype.
asciilifeform: there's a biological immunity, i suspect
shinohai: I want a trinquetron
asciilifeform: esp if you want a fresh one
mircea_popescu: "but mp, they were built to last. think, you could still have it!!" yeah. i could. and it'd be worth 25k in today's dollars, and it'd still be a 15 inch mcga or w/e the fuck it was
mircea_popescu still remembers making the very HARD fucking decision of not dropping 2k of 1990 dollars on a 15 inch monitor.
asciilifeform: pretty sure obummer sent him flowers. (or was it a happy greeting card ? luvvletter?) on nomoarobummer-day
mircea_popescu: "roses are sweet, bruises are blue, i had a great time but not as great as your asshole is now."
mircea_popescu: gotta love the "routine" device of the SOPS also. "john smith, why did you wait in a black van behind the highschool for the cheerleaders to come out, then chased one down, stripped her naked, tied her and took her to your van ?" "oh, i ALWAYS DO THIS!"
asciilifeform: in other lulz, https://archive.is/ADnD6 >> 'Nunes set off the firestorm with a news conference earlier in the day in which he described the surveillance of Trump aides through what’s called “incidental collection,” something he noted was routine and legal.'
pete_dushenski: not unlike yours truly at similar age. 'look mom ima a republican lord!' lol
pete_dushenski: honorifics will do that in a heartbeat. aha.
pete_dushenski: http://archive.is/fmGhw << i don't even know where to begin with this 'day in the life of 28yo credit suisse banker'. is bi that fucking cocksure that they think their readers will swallow pictostory about nice kid who plays squash and eats in cafeteria all day ? as if this kid isn't pushing dodgy shit onto worthless clients he and his bank don't give a shit about all because his higher-ups have some bad
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: 'Every service is in a dedicated VM container' << i'm not clear on difference between vm and vps, but i have at least one trb box on vm it seems.
asciilifeform: looks like a nonfatal oom
mircea_popescu: a very sad generation.
a111: Logged on 2015-07-29 00:35 asciilifeform: at any rate, if you go and read edison's writings, you get a very similar flavour of 'idiot savant / malicious imbecile' as from bill gates
asciilifeform: microshit is what a successful edisoning looks like.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: that's a point eh.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski that dun sound like a vps. sounds like a proc spec ?
asciilifeform: of having been a miniature steklov institute, in turn part of a miniature su, reagan's bezzle.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is difficult to compress decade of archaeology into 1 persuasive paragraph. esp. to persuade a fella who in his panglossism has determined not to be persuadable.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-22 23:34 mircea_popescu: tbh i have nfi how you could run trb in a vps. i don't think it's possible, not really. would be certainly quite the medal of merit on any software that can handle such.
mircea_popescu: some guy came up with the bright idea of ading a fine copper mesh to miner lamps so they dont' start fires anymore, about the same time. it didn't fucking change mining from milk to ambrosia.
mircea_popescu: it's just a different category of special pleading. even if you get me to fuck liz taylor tonight, and even if i personally fucking love it and propose marriage, i still won't agree she's structurally different from womanhood.
asciilifeform: well i can't very well by force of magic will, teleport mircea_popescu into a pre-airbrake train so he can feel he diff on own skin.
asciilifeform: nope. one is a coffin in wheels.
mircea_popescu: seems a minor improvement.
mircea_popescu: there isn't a single engine on the market, the kind with shaft driven aspiration and carbureted intake. so what.
mircea_popescu: what am i going to learn blowing a million dollars worth of highly energetic photons on the 55 chevy engine block ? how to cut metal with analog calipers ?
mircea_popescu: there's just about nothing interesting you could find by opening hood of ancient car, as an engine designer today. not one trhing. most of them are collected, and are revered by a so-minded public, and aren't documented worth didly squat. i dun think this sunday hobby item is different from that.
mircea_popescu: shinohai who the fuck esteems a two bit instructor in an obscure university that's been circling bitcoin for years and has as of yet produced nothing besides tweets and dandruff ?
pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-22#1630992 << was elaine ou, a phd cum writer whom i invited over (via pgpgram!) after reading http://elaineou.com/2017/03/17/the-bitcoin-backlog/ recently. definitely seems brighter than average. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this theory of "interesting concepts" of a tribe dead on its own power is the height of unpersuasiveness.
doppler: that's a very respectable way to think about it
asciilifeform: the old iron, doppler , is not -- contrary to the delusions of 'collectors' -- interesting per se. the ~software~ was not even interesting per se -- it was a tall pile of stinking mit hacks. the CONCEPTS, however, as described in http://www.loper-os.org/?p=284 , WERE interesting. ☟︎
asciilifeform: it wasn't an outrageous / illogical / atrocious thing to do. smbx was a fabless chip maker which competed directly with, among others, TI ('explorer' lispm)
asciilifeform: it fill a book case.
asciilifeform: the equipment is not the issue, it is all available, for a price
asciilifeform: the 'collectors', in my experience, have been the farthest possible thing from a help -- quite a hindrance, in fact. ☟︎
asciilifeform: i know for a fact that some of them -- are dead.
asciilifeform: or even to take and post a high-resolution photo of the thing.
asciilifeform: for some odd reason, not a single one of the folks who bought these relics, has seen it fit to do this work.
asciilifeform: ( it would be possible to build a behavioural test stand for it, if the pinout and timing characteristics were known. theoretically anyone with a 'macivory' and some spare time, could come up with these. )
doppler: I say I'm here to learn and you hit me with such a request :)
asciilifeform: we had a lively thread not long ago, where asciilifeform complains re primary activity of the top bolixologists seems to consist of sitting quietly, dog-in-the-manger-style, on piles of unpublished goodies
asciilifeform: now say a bit re who you are ? what brings you here ?
BingoBoingo: And the thermoplastic clamps have a very "clean" look to them.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-22 23:21 asciilifeform: yea it's a pre-plastic auto.
mircea_popescu: in a sense.
asciilifeform: y'know one could build a mass of cockroach 10km on all sides.
mircea_popescu: steklov math man was a 1km long, 1mm x 1mm individual. the cocaine yacht dude was 1m on all sides.
mircea_popescu: social effects. the maximal empowerment of rank imbecillity is where there's a lot of imbeciles with a little gas each.
mircea_popescu: it is much worse to have a town of 1000 populated by 500 idiots with idiots' tastes and 20 bucks to spend each ☟︎
mircea_popescu: just a derpy application of "to make a small fortune in X first you start with a large fortune."