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Mats_cd03: who wants to read forum comments by teenagers for hours as research
mircea_popescu: as opposed to what ?
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 sorta like books about the 60s. they sucked balls, but as the people who were actually involved went senile,
deadweasel: no no, highlights, tell it as a story, connected, but with the cruft removed.
deadweasel: frankly I'm saving the logs for when one of you enterprising fucks puts consolidates and puts them into a book, as a sort of People Guide to the History of Bitcoin.
Namworld: If people are paid as much as they produce, then there's the choice of not doing anything, or wasting effort for no profit. Economy doesn't runs and we return to self-sufficience (where everyone can finally be "paid" as much as they produce, literally.
ThickAsThieves: As for the pseudonym – a tactic reminiscent of that of Bitcoin’s mysterious, unidentified creator, Satoshi Nakamoto, auroracoin’s founder says, “The agents of the state will attack anyone challenging their power, so I chose a name from Norse mythology to shield myself from such attacks.”
BingoBoingo: I imagine BitBet is going to have to blacklist the WSJ as a source nao
benkay: mainstream catches up to scams just as scamwatch nukes 'em
mircea_popescu: yet if you were to poll the "community", snowden'd be the most likely to succeed as chief of the USSS
asciilifeform: not as good as the 'anthem', where if one bit of result is off, it no longer rhymes.
BingoBoingo: "Much like Samson, asciilifeform had become the fork of the entire United States Supreme Court. Being of advanced age the Justices were no match for asciilifeform as he defeated each in success in the Singles combat described in the protocol for fork resolution."
asciilifeform: '... courtroom recording showed that the last verse of the multiplicand was, as witnesses had claimed, sung in unison by the beautiful young fork.' ☟︎
asciilifeform: as depicted in 'Shall Be Delivered'
mircea_popescu: all mpex companies have their div dates announced as per contract, in the past two years there has been exactly 0 of the stuff you talk about.
ThickAsThieves: Beth Jacob, who has served as Target's chief information officer and executive vice president of technology services since 2008, is vacating both positions and departing the company immediately. According to CEO Gregg Steinhafel, the retailer has already launched a search for an interim CIO to help steer Target through a major security overhaul.
lalusch: giving the exact dat of dividend payment could make the stocks price crash 2 minutes after div payment as just 1 bigger player has to sell then, on such a low volume
mircea_popescu: benkay roughly for the same reason tyhe cost of mp as ceo doesn't show in s.mpoe's books
Apocalyptic: do as in solving and creating the challenges
asciilifeform: Mats_cd03, r3wt: to learn 'secure code', spend a few years as a lowly 0day hunter
Mats_cd03: same as a usual IPO. raise virtual buttcoins
r3wt: started as php, now moving to lua
r3wt: still working on the php version though as it could be along time until the lua version is actually ready for production.
ThickAsThieves: trailed him around the room as he hunted for a printer so he could issue the digital currency on paper. "
asciilifeform: 'It’s not clear how you would build a secure way to initialise the Trezor, as you’d need to use an untrusted computer to present trusted keys into the device. A virus (MITM) could intercept and rewrite the keys as they were being loaded into the device. Unless you had key fingerprints written down on paper, it’d be impossible to notice a mismatch. Pre-agreed root certs installed at the factory solve this
ozbot: Niagara Falls comes to frozen halt AGAIN as subfreezing temperatures freeze water | Mail Online
punkman1: "-StakeHolder-Miners pay a fee of 0.1BTC to register. Miner-Stake holders who pay the fee for early mining access will be known as THE GENERALS"
mircea_popescu: now this bullshit makes bitcoin easy to dismiss as "indian highschool tomfoolery"
mircea_popescu: i mean, intellectually ridiculous. back in 2011 bruce wagner's antics made bitcoin easy to dismiss as "that cp ring"
mircea_popescu: they should probably relaunch as a wiki, "the fake mkt cap numbers anyone can edit"
mircea_popescu: by now you can just edit the page, write random numbers. just as reflective of reality.
mircea_popescu: it will resolve as yes presently. coinmarketcap.com is henceforth banned as a source on bitbet.
BingoBoingo: MisterE: No hassles so much as challenges
mircea_popescu: and remember : always be nice with all newcomers. they could be as retarded as historically was the case.
mircea_popescu: do you know anyone through others who you can vouch for as he does ?
asciilifeform: . Sure, nobody knows who killed him, but this is at least as shady as anything I’ve heard of happening in Russia. This sort of thing has happened quite a few times to whistleblowers at the Department of Energy.'
mircea_popescu: i mean a) it clearly labels you as a scammer, as only they do it ; b) it can't possibly give roi, even as a scammer ; c) srsly.
mircea_popescu: perhaps it doesn't have as much to do with the environment as one'd think
decimation: as you wrote ascii, the chumps grind and chirp as they go through the machine
mircea_popescu: i mean, this is oft repeated as a representation of fact,
asciilifeform: The giving of false testimony - a crime, seen in Russia as small change - in the U.S. can lead to 26 years of prison. The fact that, in essence, the matter concerned a young girl who did not wish to admit her love affair with a married man, interests no one in the U.S. The principle of the machine is: do it [the crime] - receive. [consequences] the machine is merciless and incorruptible.' ☟︎☟︎
ThickAsThieves: to play devil's advocate though, i often contemplate the flipside. As in, usually I feel like my environment is too dumb, but pardon my candor, but would living in a world of #b-a people actually be enjoyable?
mircea_popescu: as it is now.
asciilifeform: because it sure as fuck ain't 'authority'
mircea_popescu: suppose you're advising me as emperor of jormania in the making of my imperial police force.
decimation: an actual police force would allocate actual discretion to its officers; chumpatron police have no authority and therefore treat others as the spoiled children they are
ThickAsThieves: "You are free to choose to participate in the poll or not. Nobody is begging you for your money and I wish we could avoid asking for anyone's money at all to avoid dealing with investors such as yourself. Hopefully if we succeed in listing IPO we will not have you on our investor's list."
mircea_popescu: as per tocqueville's observation, it's not opressed peasants like the german serfs that rebel
KRS-One: afaik it could have the same security as a c program running in memory.
mircea_popescu: elevant as the skin color. Not irrelevant for now, not irrelevant "until the economy improves"-- irrelevant forever. The economy doesn't care about intelligence, at all, it doesn't care what you know, merely what you can produce for it. The only thing the English grad is "qualified" for in this economy is the very things s/he is already doing: coffeehouse agitator, Trader Joe's associate, Apple customer... and spouse
mircea_popescu: When we see a welfare mom we assume she can't find work, but when we see a hipster we become infuriated because we assume he doesn't want to work but could easily do so-- on account of the fact that he can speak well-- that he went to college. But now suddenly we're all shocked: to the economy, the English grad is just as superfluous as the disenfranchised welfare mom in the hood-- the college education is just as irr
moiety: i don't see the site as a chumpatron, after listening. i just like to make things work is all
asciilifeform: as is any army, etc
mircea_popescu: as immortalised say in the romanian saying, "logofete brinza-n cuiu, lapte acru-n calimari, chiu si vai prin buzunari"
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I see it as moiety As seen the Doge and simply found an opportunity for an honest chumpatron.
mircea_popescu: i don't hate them as a brazilian either.
ninjashogun: mirceau, as a Romanian do you hate Hungarians?
mircea_popescu: like any good tool, it can be used by people as smart or as dumb they may happen to be.
mircea_popescu: perhaps not as similar as all that.
ninjashogun: I guess basically I wasn't taking these projects as "seriously" as other parts of the startup ecosystem. But perhaps it's true that "silicon valley has a lot to learn from bitcoin"
ninjashogun: Instead he got 30K btc as an investment, valuing his thing at one point around $1B. This is just totally different from what I was expecting.
mircea_popescu: benkay` as per the earlier linked tlp article, narcissus got hooked by entity not returning his love.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: his subjects will read the tales, and, having understood well, will seppuku from remorse (in a hidden place, so as to perform the act non-narcissistically.)
nubbins`: also brutal that some scumbag politicians used it as an excuse to blast the government in the house of commons
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: digging gratuitous C spaghetti as we speak.
ninjashogun: BingoBoingo - trust models can't be programmatic, or they will be games. For example someone will set up $10K just to spend on interest as they do hundreds of transactions with trusted members over a year - the only goal being to be given a $200K transaction that they then walk off with. You can't build trust programmatically.
nubbins`: ninjashogun: consider that you might as well be walking into banks asking for a loan and providing your WoT identity
ninjashogun: I don't need 'any size loan' and we could look at the budget breakdown together as well - I would expect it to be based on real world identities and paperwork, not IRC.
mircea_popescu: "Feb 25 08:13:06 <ninjashogun>guys I've received some suggestions to "lurk" and "read logs" here, which I wouldn't really have time to do. It was nice meeting you all though and I may be back as the project progresses. Overall I don't think I will be spending a ton of time building WoT, advisors, etc - as I have real-world references for the moment that I would expect anyone to consutl."
ninjashogun: which is why I wuold not raise external money for it - it is a small amount I would use as a bridge loan. But your thinking is correct, asciilifeform
ninjashogun: to myself, as a personal loan. I would like to do it this way because the company has become much more valuable, has assigned IP assets, etc. It doesn't make sense to raise a small amount of company by the company.
ninjashogun: is anyone here interested in loans? (I'm trying to raisie one as part of bootstrapping my hardware startup)
mircea_popescu: you can build whatever the fuck you please as long as you own the land.
dub: was thinking about putting something like this behind my place as a bar/bbq kitchen
mircea_popescu: moiety there are problems, such as due to lack of foundations.
mircea_popescu: as mpex won't let you pay for less than the records show, and you don't want to pay for more.
mircea_popescu: we just don't use the same maths as the rest of you
nubbins`: phone cameras usually have auto-focus as well, which really shits the bed photographing the holos
gribble: Nick 'artifexd', with hostmask 'artifexd!~artifexd@unaffiliated/artifexd', is identified as user 'artifexd', with GPG key id 11D1433947A3327A, key fingerprint 58A4FD3F492F49F5ECEA9D9911D1433947A3327A, and bitcoin address None
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'm on x-bt as well. For an OTC trade I dunno if I can sell for less than 200 satoshis seeing how thin the asks are.
asciilifeform: (circuit-level implementation, done correctly, would leave no room for doubt as to the fate of every input bit, and the origin of every output)
mircea_popescu: benkay here's a random thought : as long as you're not running on transactional hardware, your "transactional" db stack is exactly implementable in mysql.
asciilifeform: the most chinese possible. as in, bouncing ball for air pressure gauge.
asciilifeform: '... If you have a 'specialty' field such as... a degree in computer science... you could be 'drafted'..'
mircea_popescu: as opposed to bare life (ie, cattle).
mircea_popescu: as contrasted with culture, which is the totality of ideal productions of an ~.
mircea_popescu: to me it registers as the #1 item on the list of why the us can't be4 taken seriously as a civilised state.
jborkl: as I understand it just the State of Texas lew enforcment takes in a billion a year mainly on weed
mircea_popescu: tyl : veteran affairs cost as much as education or health care. who knew there's a cost to all that jingoism.
asciilifeform: phun phact. first time i ever heard of reddit, i parsed the name as 'Red [i.e. communist] Edit [as in editorial]'
mircea_popescu: pretty sure it's not the first thing posing as a bank no
punkman: "Or, in other words, if Satoshi Nakamoto is the Genius Father of Cryptocurrency as an advancement in cryptotechnology, then Thomas Jackson is its Genius Uncle as an advancement in cryptotechnology in world economics."
azi`: why would anyone use a service described as "bitcoin bank"?
asciilifeform: 'As Flexcoin does not have the resources, assets, or otherwise to come back from this loss, we are closing our doors immediately.'
asciilifeform: can't wait for the exchange that keeps balances as 'unsigned int' and underflows into $MAXINT - epsilon when it gets cleaned out.
chetty: 5. The fax machine was invented the same year as the Oregon trail migration.
mircea_popescu: "A Kremlin aide was quoted on Tuesday as saying that if the United States were to impose sanctions on Russia over Ukraine, Moscow might be forced to drop the dollar as a reserve currency and refuse to pay off any loans to US banks."
mircea_popescu: d here for supporting Romney? Why should we want Obama for a second term? Please, no soundbites you got from twitter." As the kid's head melts like he was staring into the Ark of the Covenant we'd see clearly that he isn't an Obama supporter at all. He may be voting for Obama, I have no idea, but he wasn't there for Obama, he was there for himself under the pretense antagonizing Fox, which is why his main argument
mircea_popescu: we're in the middle of a debate as to how scammy this is.
punkman: "During the first phase of the MazaCoin pre-mine, the Traditional Lakota Nation as represented by the BTC Oyate Initiative will pre-mine 25 million MazaCoins as the starting point of a National Crypto-Currency Reserve. This reserve is critical as a symbol of national sovereignty, and vital for the future of MazaCoin. "