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asciilifeform: amberglint: it is interesting that somebody actually bothered to sit down and make a pill for ns. suggests that somebody, somewhere, has what to read in it..
amberglint: Peter Paine has a huge pile of Symbolics tapes which he jealously guards from other bolixologists, I wonder if it has the source of Ivory
a111: Logged on 2017-03-23 03:10 asciilifeform: 1) the NS source for the last 'ivory'.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-14 20:10 asciilifeform: apeloyee: the other thing to consider, is that the preserved bolix material has ~unspeakably~ rich ( and quite high snr ) collection of artifacts, perhaps 1000 asciilifeform-years of work. take the ns vlsi compiler alone. i have the binaries, but not the src. and ~someone~ will have to make a sane (i.e. fully lispified and zero-externals) vlsitron.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-17#1772209 << prev thread re subj ☝︎
asciilifeform: ( for non-bolixologists in the audience : 'ns' was the spiffy vlsi tool they used to bake their ic's, logic was specified as a lisp proggy of sorts and compiled into an item that could be taken to vlsi plant )
amberglint: I remember NS referencing the documentation, but it seems to be missing in the distribution everyone has
asciilifeform: i suppose ns pill will come in handy if anybody ever unearths the ivory src
amberglint: here's the crack for Macsyma: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/TRpId/?raw=true ☟︎
asciilifeform: what i wanted re ns, is a) the 'ivory' src b) src for ns itself, to pillage the algos
asciilifeform: sadly i dun have anything to load in ns
amberglint: I also have the crack for Macsyma if you want
amberglint: thankfully someone shared the crack with me, which I pasted here: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/91Gll/?raw=true ☟︎
amberglint: after you do that, there's another gotcha - it needs a license from Symbolics to run, like Macsyma
amberglint: NS does work, but you need a simple workaround to get around the Xlib error: switch your X server to 8bpp
asciilifeform: sold, since ~late'90s, to errybody, the smallest nontrivial piece of gear i have here that takes standard battery (not counting flashlights etc) is 100kg ups.
mircea_popescu: sold to the same crowd of malignant morons that buys "electric cars" and "credit cards everywhere" and "electronic locks" and so on.
asciilifeform: ( at one time i did have an ancient 'nokia' that had precisely this battery system, so there's no practical reason why impossible . it's purely lock-in crapola that prevents. )
asciilifeform: at one time asciilifeform wondered why no lappy maker ever included simply a compartment with sprints, like electronic boxen in the good old days, where you could stuff in yer own when the old ones give out. then realized the obv answer why.
asciilifeform: ( thing was made before all the shitlappy makers switched to custom/ungettable shaped prismatics )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: since you asked earlier -- battery is a 'aa-pb2vc6b' , 48 watt-hour, 6 cylindrical cells, dead-likely the usual #18650 thing
lobbes: asciilifeform: bot back. sry bout that
asciilifeform: !Q later tell trinque i was learning from db dark arts, in yer http://btcbase.org/patches/logbot-genesis#L186 , and wondered re the orig logic behind the uuid-ossp / gen_random_uuid() item ( vs the ordinary 'serial' ), plox to enlighten asciilifeform
asciilifeform: meanwhile, today in castles, http://logs.bvulpes.com/asciilifeform?d=2018-10-18#443422
asciilifeform: nobody in his right mind would try to empty swimming pool with eye dropper, but for some reason the computin' folx are still doing it.
asciilifeform: grr can't find thread, so at risk of repeat : there is a legend, where some nao long-dead sage ( ulam ? ) was in a room where the lesser mortals idly fucked around with q 'how to short bundle of sticks by length' fastest. d00d silently picked up the bundle of sticks and pounded them on table ends-down and then lowered palm onto the top, picking up longest with each move
asciilifeform: ( s. cray spins like turbine in his coffin )
asciilifeform: non-vonneumann machine potentially changes this, but $farm went broke before asciilifeform was able to fill 42U cabinet with fpga..
asciilifeform spent some yrs involved in 'here's 100GB of genome, nao answer an interesting q about it' racket, it was depressing, even with custom iron most of the practically useful q's are unanswerable, there's fundamental algo problems in the way
mircea_popescu: table stakes, finally we're getting there.
mircea_popescu: seems there's a MINIMAL complexity "For anything interesting", and we're finally just now getting togethert the tools to work with it.
mircea_popescu: anyway. it's funny to me that the blockchain's approximately in the size range of the genome.
asciilifeform: iirc we had a photo-computation thread even
mircea_popescu: but not pick the ones with least gray pixels.
asciilifeform: my quite humble pipe here moves 100G in half hr . that aint the hard part.
mircea_popescu: "even the easy tasks are too hard for you "
asciilifeform: nobody's ever built anyffin with even close to the noise tolerance of meat. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: dealing with a 500`000`000 copies (more or less exact) of the same 100GB file within half an hour... that's more than any node does ; and more than the collective of nodes did since the beginning of the ocin.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-20 19:47 asciilifeform: ( this is called 'brittleness' by aficionados of 'meat-like machinery' )
asciilifeform: bandwidth, contrary to intuition, isn't where 'worx of man' necessarily fall down to the ant, but rather http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-20#1687613 ☝︎
mircea_popescu: actually... why not now. so, human genome, 3bn base pairs, about 100GB ; per ejaculation ~500bn copies of this chunk.
mircea_popescu: (and deals with more tbs of data than any bitcoin node, but that's a story for later sadness.()
asciilifeform: ( anybody recall the old film where there is 'fast motion' scene of airplane abandoned in some shithole, 'evaporating' part by part ? )
asciilifeform: if mircea_popescu were to park his merc in johannesburg, orcs might steal the tyres, but not the cunt (can only borrow..)
asciilifeform: but yes, 'allcomers p2p' allows 9000 types of abuses ( if you think about it, the fact that one is able to build a simple mechanism to map out the net, is not actually a win , for that matter ) , noose at 11
mircea_popescu: and i have seen a tyre depot, which for my purposes here counts as "bag of legs"
mircea_popescu: that's the problem of bitcoin, right, the relay-mining cleavage. something that ~in spite of designatorial intention~ WAS done to bitcoin ; and NOT done to sexuate reproduction.
mircea_popescu: turns out, cunt more of a jewel of engineering than generally thought, yet ~another~ aspect of its normal functioning not reproducible by present technical means.
mircea_popescu: rather than like ~cunt~.
asciilifeform: it's 'p2p' like telco backbone, rather than like 'kazaa', yes
mircea_popescu: kinda informs the change of the tenor here, since his http://trilema.com/2015/the-news-in-brief-hearn-is-a-shitstain-mp-is-right-fuck-reddit-love-satoshi/ declaration a few years ago.
mircea_popescu: but yes, it's painfully obvious the "p2p" nature of bitcoin went straight to nowhere, disabusing naive satoshi notions of "all the world's a huge wikitardia!!!" 1990s wank.
asciilifeform: ( tho funnily those still show up in addr tables )
mircea_popescu: because of the exact problems you discuss i'd guess 1/4 or less of nodes are publicly adressable
asciilifeform: errybody else is theatre
asciilifeform: by my current estimate ( not fired the full scan yet, when proggy done it'll run continuously and present a phuctoresque www panel ) there are perhaps 100 actual noades on the net
a111: Logged on 2018-10-15 15:44 asciilifeform: in unrelated noose, mod6 et al : loox like trb doesn't remove banned peers from its addr table ! i.e. offers their addrs up to others, as if they were proper noades!! i never noticed this previously, it had to wait to be found empirically. really oughta be fixed, and pretty simple patch.
asciilifeform: ( and really oughta be properly dropped, per http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-15#1862873 bug they presently suck oxygen uselessly ) ☝︎
asciilifeform: so these still get malleus'd
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the funny bit is that 99999 turns off gavinalertism but turns on heathen cmd's
BingoBoingo: AHA, this and not "be counted by derps" iirc was the reasons the knob got cranked to 99999 and left there.
asciilifeform: aaaand some alarmingly large % of the supposed-nodes, can't or won't come up with old blox on demand..
asciilifeform: if you set your hello-version to 99999, they stop, if <=70001 -- they spam it
asciilifeform: already turned up a buncha oddities re noades -- for instance, just about errybody not-trb still sends out gavinalert (with 'key compromised!' message. wai -- i have nfi )
asciilifeform: unrelatedly, while mircea_popescu is awake -- mircea_popescu do you still have a 'mpb' noad running on public net ? would like to try my exerciser on one
asciilifeform: aha. it's the basic labour of writing sane proggy -- tossing out the duct tape & replacing with sumthing that actually worx
mircea_popescu: i think it's already evident this, in the serialization discussion
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not only this, but if folx build on the right slab, they can get 9000x less complex proggy in the end
mircea_popescu: (better than "i'll wait to patch it in directly at the right time" because the "right time" mioght never come seeing how the people in question don't know what you're patching)
mircea_popescu: anyway -- in this particular case it makes sense to genesis item so downstream can actually invite you to patch on their tree
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the mmap thing is major labour-saving item, lets you fughet about db etc, you define the data structure you want and it gets persisted to disk / loaded as-needed into ram, transparently to proggy
mircea_popescu: kinda funny how we're "slowly" (ie, 10x faster) recreating everything bsd was pretending to be about, huh.
asciilifeform: ( bonus, it has no .c component, builds strictly gnatistically , tho it imports several unixisms as funct calls )
mircea_popescu: i was thinking, has major chances of being pulled as a patch into eulora-something.
mircea_popescu: nevermind teh purpose of "how it'll eventually look", the future can be trusted to take care of itself, ESPECIALLY if you can be trusted to take care of present.
mircea_popescu: l keep growing the smg_comms tree." << this, ftr, eminently ideal republican code development process.
mircea_popescu: "I packed the above code as a .vpatch on top of the previous genesis .vpatch mainly for keeping my original promise of showing this being built as it is with detours and corrections on the way. Otherwise this could equally well be a genesis in itself given how radically it changes pretty much everything in there. Nevertheless, at least for now - meaning until a final version is achieved and a regrind makes perhaps sense - I'l
asciilifeform will get to it eventually
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: same as any other, theoretically if you have battery welder and cells, can rebuild
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: How rebuildable is the battery pack on that thing?
asciilifeform prolly will pick up a spare or 2, so as not to end up with 'rms longsoon' irreplaceable artifact
asciilifeform: the only tool req'd : 1) ordinary philips driver 2) spudger 3) pair of hands
asciilifeform: i dun expect those chinese crates are bottomless.
asciilifeform: if anybody else wants one, get'em while they're still around.
asciilifeform: this will be a cuntoo box, when i get around to redisking it ☟︎
asciilifeform: swapping the crystal in place of the lappy's orig, takes about 1hr
asciilifeform: ( contrary to the 'broken telephone game' on the net, the thing ~does~ show colour under sunlight, if backlight is set to minimum. if to 0 : b&w and ultralowpower ( whole day battery, in theory ) )
asciilifeform: unfortunately photo dun really do it justice, gotta be seen with eyes to be believed
asciilifeform: sadly the box it ended up going in, is nuffin to write home about ( slightly slower than the goldstandard x60, and smaller, and sad kbd ) but it worx as described
a111: Logged on 2018-10-16 00:19 asciilifeform will try again with 'samsung n150' box, with sadder kbd, but same chipset, and reportedly fitting
mircea_popescu: "does this dildo work on blondes as well as brunettes ?" "well... it works on redheads best, but it'll do the oooh-aaah job for anyone."
mircea_popescu: the issue with priesthood is that it offers perpetual masturbatory toys for the non-smart irrespective of their "intelligence" as irrespective of their height.
asciilifeform: it isn't clear to me that priest gotta be esp. intelligent by any measure, any more than today's proverbial dmv clerk
mircea_popescu: right ? but the priests were ~intelligent~.
asciilifeform: as i understand, it's a temple, they had'em in 3000 bc just the same, heathens pray to their peculiar gods
mircea_popescu: dumb as fucking rocks also, and i would like to introduce mission street in sf into the record as exhibit fucktards.
asciilifeform: aside from the test where you actually gotta explore the solution space to converge on solution, lol
mircea_popescu: and yet -- very intelligent by any test.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-12 17:34 asciilifeform: in related lulz, and iirc we had a thread ( tho can't seem to unearth it ), urandom is sufficiently sad that when asciilifeform was running genetic algos / monte carlo / etc. crapolade , yrs ago, from it... would regularly fail to converge
asciilifeform: i.e. unable to http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-12#1861117 ☝︎