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mircea_popescu: so then, thing can sit
as it sits, i don't expect to persuade you (and i see the merit in "pre-republic, engineers===morons". i just don't see why this should be perpetuated, hence original "bag of lulz" comment.
a111: Logged on 2018-12-19 22:28 phf: mircea_popescu: i've given a more nuanced answer over the logs. i've said that stuff from last year is junk, i'm not sure about stuff from this year, because i haven't inspected it yet. short of asciilifeform's periodic jabs, there was simply no reason to dedicate more time to it, considering that from a useful work perspective this is seen
as a hobby, and i already have a backlog of things i actually need to be working on.
a111: Logged on 2018-12-19 22:53 mircea_popescu: yes, but it seemed to me
as if you only had putative products. hence it'd appear there's a mismatch.
mircea_popescu: yes, but it seemed to me
as if you only had putative products. hence it'd appear there's a mismatch.
☟︎ phf: i made that point clear also, i believe he will spoil my hunt. he explicitly told me he will!
as far
as love for quarry, i assume that this particular log can potentially reach the quarry in question, and i suspect his reaction is not going to be to join the republic.
phf: mircea_popescu: i've given a more nuanced answer over the logs. i've said that stuff from last year is junk, i'm not sure about stuff from this year, because i haven't inspected it yet. short of asciilifeform's periodic jabs, there was simply no reason to dedicate more time to it, considering that from a useful work perspective this is seen
as a hobby, and i already have a backlog of things i actually need to be working on.
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2018-09-10 16:50 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the strugatsky brothers, before sinking into senile delirium, had a tale 'roadside picnic', where unknown aliens land and leave buncha rubbish behind, and immediately depart. the rubbish includes 'usefuls', such
as 'eternal batteries', but also various deadlies, and plenty of things 'in between', and earthling culture is rearranged by it.
phf: mircea_popescu: well, i don't think this is quite like chasing women, i think of it more
as a scavenger hunt.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-23 04:32 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu is free to be
as 'unpersuaded'
as he wants. fact: his machine -- can overrun an array; bolix -- could not; his box -- crashes, cannot be examined or uncrashed (yes) -- bolix -- could; and various other aspects, well covered in teh logz.
mircea_popescu: indulge me for a moment, if you will, and make sense of this salad. why exactly would you ~care~ about the relationship with some morons who ~actually read~ the logs and then douchebag out of the republic ? "because they know really interesting secrets" ? you genuinely believe this is possible, people being both so fucking stupid
as to opt out of the republic, and so fucking smart
as to have anything, ~anything whatsoever~ to
a111: Logged on 2018-12-19 20:09 phf: you're constantly in logs, confused
as to how anyone can get anything from anyone, yet now you're questioning my methods.
trinque: asciilifeform: I believe it,
as this thread reads like mutually talking straight past.
phf: asciilifeform: there was already _one_ conversation, i made my _conclusions_. your adventage is that you can basically just rant in the open, make insulting fucking statements in "general direction" of those bolix whisperers. where's i lose by having this in public record. i told you
as much _at the very beginning_. but you clearly shit on my efforts, i mean you have been saying
as much in public for a year, so you don't lose anything
phf: look i told you about the stuff basically
as soon
as i came back _from a photoshoot_, gigs of photos, need to be sorted through. i communicated
as much. the whisperer stuff started way before i had a chance to do anything about it. i mean what the fuck. it's like "i'm the greatest bolix liberator, and everyone else working towards it is an obscurantist and a cunt, unless they blog their shit right now". how am i not supposed to take
phf: where's the reality
as i see it, is that you were offered some stuff, and your reaction was i'm my own king i do
as i want
phf: the subject. perhaps i should've made it clear that _knowledge gained this way is yours to keep_. in response i got constant, year long abuse directed _as i believe it was_ at least partially my way about whisperes and conspiracies.
a111: Logged on 2018-12-19 19:55 asciilifeform: phf: i aint proposing to put the thing on ftp
as-is.
phf: asciilifeform: it's clear now, i believe it changed drastically literally today, up until now i believe it was
as i was made to understand it.
mircea_popescu: maybe you did, but
as a factual matter it's not clear to me.
mircea_popescu: so now. is the case
as you publicly present it, "phf has been not helping for year +" or is the case
as he publicly presents it, "i tried to help a year ago but granularity didn't match and then he went on a campaign of fuming about whisperers ''in general'' transparently in reference to the particuylar case and i was stuck sitting and listening to it."
a111: Logged on 2018-12-19 19:55 phf: i took saeculum promises specifically to assist with republican work. i think that dumping this dump
as is is short sighted, because the dump by weight is garbage, and will trivially identify all involved. i want to at least evaluate what's in it that can be of assistance to asciilifeform, an identification that became necessary only a week ago.
mircea_popescu: now,
as to me personally, i find your behaviour deeply offensive for the following reason : i do not believe you speak accidentally, you're much too meticulous and lengthily silent for that. the only reconstruction of today's discussion that stands my read is, "well, at first he tried line x, see if they're morons enoujgh to buy it ; that failed, regroupped to line y".
phf: asciilifeform: yes. it is clearly labeled
as such.
phf: there's no "docs", it's not some kind of mother lode of all things bolix. fwiw i went into
as excited and with the same expectations you're imagining right now. there was a set of printed papers that primarily existed in pre-ivory days. they are mostly related to e.g. mechanical layout of the boards (the bulk of stuff was e.g. machining parameters of motherboards and cases, something i didn't even touch)
phf: because you're going to run into timing issues
as soon
as you speed it up anywhere past xl speeds
a111: Logged on 2018-06-13 16:48 phf: well, if we don't, i'll see if i can get an unlock through corporate channels, and just use it
as a one off machine
phf:
as far
as snap you've jumped to conclusions from an offhand remark, and you're holding on to it for dear life, like with everything else in this conversation.
phf: you're constantly in logs, confused
as to how anyone can get anything from anyone, yet now you're questioning my methods.
☟︎☟︎ phf: asciilifeform: last year i made a bunch of scans, that were almost entirely duds, you were
as insistent on a release
as you are now. this would've prevented this year's scans, that are potentially more relevant to your work.
phf: i took saeculum promises specifically to assist with republican work. i think that dumping this dump
as is is short sighted, because the dump by weight is garbage, and will trivially identify all involved. i want to at least evaluate what's in it that can be of assistance to asciilifeform, an identification that became necessary only a week ago.
☟︎ mircea_popescu:
as it did bar that scmuck ; so will it bar all in the future.
mircea_popescu: you are trusted for
as long
as you behave in the trustworthy manner.
mircea_popescu: in short, you're doing a danielpbarron, and it's going to go exactly
as well
as his.
mircea_popescu: it therefore can not be the case that you can be uniquely identified
as responsible for the leak.
mircea_popescu: now these fucktards go about with a unified view of "the thing specifically declared
as unifiable".
mircea_popescu: pro tip : this thing exists specifically
as an umbrela term of irreducible reality. it was made
as such and deliberately, by people from the 70s.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you mean "the broader clitler"
as in literal cockroaches and assorted vermin ?
mircea_popescu: "the price on 5th avenue of such a suitcase (or a similar one,
as close
as could be found) new is a little more than 1.7 dubaloos. thereforee..."
mircea_popescu: ie, rather than your interpretation above, i see it
as a "in 2016, trump won election, 5979th item on his agenda was how apparently state of new york decided to "investigate" some foundation. he shook his hand and moved on, two years later the morons finally got something to flash in media, and precisely nothing else, even locating where the chairs are anymore is impossible)
mircea_popescu:
as general compression theory predicts, it is ~extremely hard to summarize~.
mircea_popescu: natural language, however, ablates the trees for "convenience" so to speak, ie, uses commonly what's known in computing
as sparse trees.
☟︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: specifically : all communication relies on trees ; the presence, the order, ~and absence~ are all meaningful, and meaning is extracted from communication by adding and removing from a mind-held space of possibilities according to what is said, in what order it is said, ~and what is not said~. because certain absences, just
as certain ordering, deny certain possible meanings just
as well
as if they were denied explicitly.
mircea_popescu: i think what ~really~ happened was term vicious switched parser into interpreting ~your~ quotes
as neutral (she's taking from the log) whereas they were in fact overloaded (she's using them to convey faux smart tone on being smart).
diana_coman: hm, I did not read it
as a neutral symbol, hence my "" for it; but I don't really know how to convey more clearly that it's the opposite of actual smart (other than either explicitly noting that or using the "" that seems to fail to work)
mircea_popescu: i think the summary takes smart
as a neutral symbol, whereas in the logs it was used
as a very overloaded symbol.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman you're very likely right, i expect a major stone on nicole's back was precisely this : man re-reading has to reconstruct a cognitive structure. cost of this is 0 for man who's been reading and has it pre-built ; cost is small for man who lost it, but was there and knows how to build it. cost is immense for man that tries to learn how to build at the same time
as building.
mircea_popescu: i think maybe the problem is that we omitted " around the smart, though the intention transparently is "smart
as understood by mainstream idiots".
mircea_popescu: still, the ~reason~ anyone even maintains a general staff,
as opposed to "shoulda killed them all, like stalin", is precisely that left to their own devices, tacticians find the rakes shaped like their face.
a111: Logged on 2018-12-18 23:03 asciilifeform: usg used a fleet of bolix boxen for gulf war I logistics, and fuck knows what else, so in some dusty beetleman's desk it is 'coloured'
as 'strategic', and so it gets passed from mallery to mallery.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-05 16:22 mircea_popescu: very much in the vein of
http://btcbase.org/log/2014-08-14#795515 : NONE, and i mean it : not a single FUCKING ONE of these "government-sponsored oligarchs" have a penny to their name. every single one "powerful" of the democracy-socialism, be they a senator, a general, a "famous person", a "journalist", WHATHEVER they may be, made out, at all. not like bandits, not like anythings, they're
as poor
as church mice.
mircea_popescu: "
As far
as I know, the proof in this article is the only public one which completely treats a constant-time implementation of Barrett’s Reduction." << check him out.
mircea_popescu: entirely fucking wrongly, trying to get sane people to be stupid, rather than trying to get stupid people to be sane. and
as he says -- rarely, but it works.
mircea_popescu: g up their bungholes lo these many years, have them make channels and feedbots and what else a civilised person such
as yourself has been accustomed to have access to, and then you'll have a feed.
mircea_popescu: anyway, my point is : it ~already~ cranks b forward. might
as well piggyback on that
a111: Logged on 2018-07-17 02:42 asciilifeform: 'they cloink a coupla with the sledgehammer so
as to break down the find into shards the size they can fit in a pocket, after which they stick it on their oxcart'
mircea_popescu: consider the illustrative example of how the germans inhabiting north america ended up thinking they're "english" : the english were losing badly their war with the dutch, at the time the republic. so they decided -- the elite, that is -- to make the dutch an offer they couldn't refuse : behead the (catholic) king, import william, prince of orange-nassau
as the new english king. thereby england gets a ruling class and the dut
mircea_popescu: d in the process his life and himself. because no,
as tempting
as the theory is, humans can't generally manage to destroy their reputations but survive in body or mind.
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-18#1881342 << this, for the record, is exactly how things go. one can build himself a reputation
as a director, on the strength (on the ~strength~!!!) of shit like pulp fiction, or reservoir dogs, or w/e the hell. but if the one then continues in the vein of bullshit, directing animation and whatnever kill bill nonsense, uma thurman's deformed toes, that someone will ~destroy~ his reputation, an
☝︎ phf:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-18#1881331 << i think danielpbarron is pushing transcendental imperative; though, and
as per some of the long ago threads on subject of traditional societies, i will guess it is mostly a pose on his part. his imperative doesn't align with that of all the rest of the republic members, so it is hard to relate to on substance, but in form i find it entertaining: what happens if you confront modern christian
☝︎ mircea_popescu: well so then. she can be
as smart
as you wish, a cunt she's still got, and that hole in the body comes with a hole in the mind.
mircea_popescu: " There is an ad hoc demonstration of a new product, an AT&T "secure" phone, supposedly the first conversation-scrambler that's
as simple to use
as a standard-issue phone." << the kanzure mickey mouse club still doing this btw.