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asciilifeform: i've built, fwiw, for mips ( 32 an' 64 -wide ), for arm (ditto), even for 'microblaze' ( spoiler: not an actual iron, but xilinx's oddball 'demo cpu', exists nowhere else but 'virtex' demo boards, of which i have an embarrassingly tall pile ) -- but i ain't ever built for s390, or 68k ...
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-03#1869173 << pretty interesting, and suggests 1 interesting question on top of it : how many of those 'exotic' linux ports ( e.g. s390 ) ~actually work~ today ? ☝︎
asciilifeform at one time had a 100kg liquid-cooled horror, did not transport in pieces, simply attached wheelbarrow wheels to it...
a111: Logged on 2018-11-04 17:49 ben_vulpes: not much to report, still assembling personal workstation
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-04#1869202 << nao gotta ask, why didja transport it in pieces ?! ☝︎
BingoBoingo: No, there isn't. There are knobs that influence the range of memory footprints mysql will sit in, and none of them appear to be able to be turned meaningfully down on a living database.
asciilifeform had the mysql manual open , since BingoBoingo 1st mentioned subj, and somewhat to my surprise found that the thing dun seem to have a max mem knob !
BingoBoingo: ATTN: http://bingology.net/ will be offline for at least 24 hours until I can free up some time to force the database to fit into the available RAM
asciilifeform: ( i still see it as 'railroad gauge' , gonna publish 80cols till the day i die )
a111: Logged on 2018-01-05 03:07 mircea_popescu: so to have closure, i suppose http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-04#1763975 should read "80 cols plox what is this"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'll admit that curious why you ended up flipping on earlier http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-05#1764721 ☝︎
mircea_popescu: it just gets rid of "80 col" or otherwise "preformatted" text in favour of line=paragraph sanity.
asciilifeform: lol i have this on by boxes, it goes by 'dos2unix' , standard util neh
mircea_popescu: im sure i mentioned my script to s'\n\n%\r'g | s'\n% 'g | s'\r%\n'g many times before
asciilifeform: ( recall, 'genetics'-style diff, that refers to actual byte positions )
mircea_popescu: but the only way to ever get there is if we run out of town this "let's mix data and markup" approach.
asciilifeform: ideally proggy would be distributed as a ast in sexpr, and we wouldn't have 'tabs & spaces' thread. but we aint there yet.
mircea_popescu: basically, any time you go "this string should contain control characters for my convenience" you are living in a state of sin, and should remedy.
asciilifeform: hanbot: apparently this is mircea_popescu's prescribed answer
mircea_popescu: reflow you like ; or else wider lines ; or anything that works for you.
asciilifeform: say what's 'fix' then ? 1024 col display ?
mircea_popescu: it is not possible to fix the wrong end of this funnel.
mircea_popescu: fix them!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the fact all your terminals suck isn't an argument in this convo. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: there can be such a thing as a standard length, yes. but apparently it'll be 512 bytes+
asciilifeform: mechanically-reflowed proggy suxx to read, i can tell that mircea_popescu spends ~0 time actually reading ( as in, go offline for whole day to read 1 proggy ) coad.
mircea_popescu: standard line length may not be shorter than common lines. which among other things will be rsa keys. so it'll be, willy nily, over 80.
mircea_popescu: but yes, i ask your terminal be aware of the syntax. it must be. because the alternative is having me be aware of your terminal -- and that ain't occurring.
asciilifeform: standard line len makes it possible to meaningfully discuss loc, among other things.
mircea_popescu: i don't see it'd destroy any such thing.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-04 23:45 phf: in a proper program 80 col is an indicator of s/n, density and all kinds of lateral properties, that can be communicated between professionals, because you can know ahead of time, what you're dealing with by shape, and have a rough estimate for the token count
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-04#1764371 << see also prev thrd. ☝︎
asciilifeform: it's not doable without a transformer that's aware of the syntax. and doing it will destroy ability to refer to orig author's lines by number in conversation.
asciilifeform: not even my hand-sewn pretty printing liquishit, does this.
asciilifeform: printer driver dun do this.
mircea_popescu: sounds like you're in the market for a printer driver that doesn't suck.
mircea_popescu: my fucking 24 dot matrix tractor unit could flow. what.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i use printers, and aint about to stop, it's part of my code-eating workflow.
mircea_popescu: and if emacs can't do this, emacs is plain and unadulterated garbage is all.
asciilifeform: ideally sexprs. but maybe that's next decade.
mircea_popescu: srsly now, move on to an adult terminal that can flow the semantic unit for your needs.
mircea_popescu: "stop" means to take "text" and turn it into "te<controlchars>xt" and that's so fucking stupid...
asciilifeform: ( there's 200+ col. lines in trb )
asciilifeform: they're already in, e.g., trb. but was thinking, perhaps folx will eventually stop, cuz it's a headache and to fix it is not in any sense expensive imho.
mircea_popescu: so not only we agree to disagree -- but there's gonna be long lines in there cuz that's how long a line is.
mircea_popescu: hey. i won't mandate her she write long lines, if she manages in 80 cols all the better. but i will mandate she dun do " & " bullshit.
asciilifeform: i dun have infinitely-sized chairs at my house either, even though 'arse can be any width!11'
asciilifeform: line breaks to fit on civilized terminals & printers aint spurious. i suspect that we're doomed to disagree.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's a legacy definition of "text" type in eulora comms protocol specifically for this conversation.
mircea_popescu: in any case i don't want control bits spuriously pissed into the stream. what next, <em> ?
mircea_popescu: it dun ask the author to deal with it for him.
mircea_popescu: the line as a semantic unit is as long as it fucking is, and the terminal deals with it.
asciilifeform: and to write e.g. vtron, you gotta pick a max length in advance
mircea_popescu: IF you can't configure your termina, either get a better one or understand you're at fault for your own pain. ☟︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: keep in mind that it ain't 'text', tho, it's a proggy, the line is a semantic unit
mircea_popescu: i feel about "this string has spurious /n inserted in random places" about the same way you feel about FG getting random control bits pissed into the stream by "helpful" wrappers.
asciilifeform: ( i actually use these. but they're turned on their side, so i can put moar-proggy into'em, rather than longer-line )
asciilifeform: or he actually has one of those road-sign shaped displays, or which
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu like to horizontal-scroll ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform srsly now, 80cols is a terminal setting. text may not have line breaks for any reason other than new paragraph.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: how wide is your terminal ?
a111: Logged on 2018-11-03 22:38 mircea_popescu: Mocky so i guess next step is make an appointment with their minister of technology, industry, or whatever the fuck, explain to the secretarial overseer you end up seeing that the republic is in principle willing to do some tech transfer help them become a real country, exchange confused nods and handshakes and set the bozo bit on the ball of faux carpeting yarn pretending to be a country ?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-04#1869251 << sounds grim, but afaik Mocky not tried the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-03#1869171 gambit yet ☝︎☝︎
mircea_popescu: diana_coman imo such items belong in a config file then. though he prolly wants the ~config~ file to also be "human readable" by which he means hard-paged at 80 cols like for idiots. because there's no such thing as a terminal, nor user settings, and i gotta format my text in a way that's aware of his dumb terminal. and he thinks this acceptable, somehow, that at the time i write i must bear in mind how he'll later read. ☟︎
asciilifeform: i'm a little surprised the vtron even swallowed it.
asciilifeform: ( the width of the constants pictured in http://ossasepia.com/2018/11/04/smg-comms-chapter-6-packing-and-unpacking-rsa/#selection-121.192-121.4240 )
asciilifeform: nobody's terminal, afaik, is 980 wide.
asciilifeform: i hate to bring back ancient thread re 'how many columns in terminal', but you ~must~ have a finite width, or cannot write even basic thing like vtron without idjit heapism. and i'm heavily biased to 'make'em 80' , that's how wide my terminal and printers are.
asciilifeform: worx same as the multiline notation in c
a111: Logged on 2018-11-04 18:32 diana_coman: it still seems at best silly to manually split strings that one would than have to merge if they want to use as such somewhere else
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-04#1869238 << iirc ( really calls for experimental test ) when you foo : String := "bar" & "baz" ; at compile time it glues'em , and does not drag in secondarystackism, fwiw ☝︎
mod6: ben_vulpes: cool, thanks.
mod6: jurov: go ahead and Xcancel your auction #1005, and plz to bid on mine (#1006) ☟︎
deedbot: http://thetarpit.org/posts/y05/07f-bucharest-ii.html << The Tar Pit - Bucharest, part zwei: Herstru, Cotroceni ☟︎
mod6: jurov: Ok, that's probably a better way : We'll start the auction, and you can bid on it. We'll do this going forward.
Mocky: ^ Ok this is my last post of the night. Going to sleep now
BingoBoingo at some point going to have to dive into reducing mysql ram usage on rockchip
Mocky: more like trust Allah and don't be the faithless one studying knots
diana_coman: Mocky, hm, I thought it was "trust Allah but tie camel", apparently they lost the 2nd part?
ben_vulpes: will be making new contacts in the next month to find a shared cab for racking the foundation machine i lugged across the continent
ben_vulpes: and workstation back online. gentoo happily boots from its original sata port on the motherboard, but hangs at "loading the kernel" when that drive is plugged into any other other sata port.
diana_coman: it still seems at best silly to manually split strings that one would than have to merge if they want to use as such somewhere else ☟︎
Mocky: oh, thank you
asciilifeform strong proponent of 80col-ism, even builds with gnat flag that makes >80 an eggog
diana_coman will think on this a bit more
diana_coman: onth I suppose that the 80cols rule either is or isn't, so it should apply even to strings that make no sense split, a bit of cutting to fit the bed style
diana_coman: the fact that I have to manually and arbitrarily split strings that in fact are of any use only un-splitted
diana_coman: afaik *those* are the only ones, let me know if there is anything else
diana_coman: the keys in the testing?
Mocky: ah, thx
mircea_popescu: "they sit around during the late morning and early afternoons having coffee and sweets." << you know i do this shit too ? must be the middle easterner in us.
mircea_popescu: and hjow do i link to the comment specifically ?
a111: Logged on 2018-11-02 01:36 billymg: managed to press vtools and use vdiff to create a patch of the css tweaks for the "default" theme included in mp-wp http://billymg.com/downloads/mp-wp-css-refine.txt
mircea_popescu: actually i bet you the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-02#1868721 fellow would love nothing more than to do a template design for hire. ☝︎☟︎
ben_vulpes: Mocky: there's not much stomaching involved with operating an mp-wp. it's a pretty feature-complete blog; if you really want a custom template you can buy one.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-22 20:11 Mocky: i can't stomach php, which probably sounds rich coming from hardcore java dude. my www is static files and one old school cgi to python for comments
mircea_popescu: reimplementing the java over there
mircea_popescu: Mocky you know all these exist as mp-wp already!
ben_vulpes: not much to report, still assembling personal workstation ☟︎
Mocky: hey! i didn't want to wasted time implementing a big comment thing when i get 1 comment per month