asciilifeform just ate his bday caek, made by pet from studying ro material re hungarian caeks. it was quite spiffy.
asciilifeform: currently aiming to make it a fridays thing.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform largely making the tune up as he goes.
asciilifeform: so there are not so many guides to crib, re how.
asciilifeform: afaik this kind of software item hasn't really been done since the 1980s magazine days ( i.e. where reader is asked to 'write the program' 'with' the author , rather than 'here it is, run, like a pig is fed' )
asciilifeform: probably slightly faster towards the end, when there is less to say re adaism and only the algos need pedanticism
asciilifeform: recall article where mircea_popescu described how he buys machines ? i.e. from street retail, when possible, in cash, without advance warning re where
asciilifeform: incidentally i know of at least 1 item that i use that still not depython3ated -- the lattice ice fpga thing
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: principal headache is in re bringing up ~new~ boxes, without gcc5+ crapolade leaking in; rather than keeping old ones going
asciilifeform: and yes 6 is being forced in via same mechanism as 5, i.e. they are methodically exterminating archives of source that built cleanly without 5, and replacing -- whenever possible, silently -- with new 'improved' .
asciilifeform: re gcc, recall also that it's been put on the usg hitlist, they would like to lead it to a level of dysfunction that will have naive folx welcoming its shooting behind the shed and replacement with Officially blessed clang-llvm☟︎
asciilifeform: it wouldn't surprise me to learn that mircea_popescu dun even have a 4 anywhere
asciilifeform: gcc6? driven exactly like 5 was. by breaking perfectly-working setups, whenever and wherever they can get their hands on them
asciilifeform: and forces newgccism machinewide (despite the boldfaced lie re 'can keep other compilers')
asciilifeform: it's a multilayered shitsandwich : not only makes 0dayolade substantially easier to write, but as bonus makes ALL old libs no longer link
asciilifeform: 'Where supported, GCC will now build position-independent executables (PIE) by default.
asciilifeform: (c++11/14/etc.ism is a rather half-hearted attempt to make '70% bugridden reimplementation' of ada, in cpp, as retrofit. iirc we had a thread a few yrs ago re subj)
asciilifeform: 5 had 0 incentives either, other than for the few folx who really yearned to use c++14isms
asciilifeform: tbh this is moar advancedwarning than this type of thing typically gets. usually it's silent breakage.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: by the gentoo(tm)(r) people, naturally. helpfully announcing the final cement burial of whatever useful bits were still left on their www from pre-quisling times.
asciilifeform: idea being explicitly anti- fitsinhead, i.e. 'make program behave like ensemble of physical objects'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: oop-circa-1990s was a bastardization of 1970s-era narrowly domained ( cad, a few other ) item , picked specifically with 'this is promising for deskilling programming' item
asciilifeform: dunno that it makes sense to give any particular printolade-bubble overseer the distinction of a name and attributed agency. it's not unlike pinning the black plague on a particular, named rat
asciilifeform: work that ruins the worker for the company of civilized people, has that effect.
asciilifeform: prolly doomed to become a caste ( in the model of the hindu shit-shoveling-with-bare-hands folx ) , as observed by neal stephenson and others.
asciilifeform: same folx do not program for decades.
asciilifeform: there's a certain level of schizo that goes with the profession
asciilifeform: the point re how a build script taking up moar bytes than a ~bloated~ os took up in 1980s, does not require a genius, to make
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: multics, at least mythologically, was the Officially Blessed Liquishit against which t & r pushed back , initially in their spare time
asciilifeform: ( and sometimes snap closed mid-open, etc )
asciilifeform: the original contrast turd was the now-forgotten 'multics'
asciilifeform: the utter and complete lunacy of 'bazaar' was obvious in 2012. and 2001. and 12, and 1, and there's whole motherfucking biblical parable re the tower etc
asciilifeform: and to d00d who spent entire working life with piles of shit, a small and dried up one is moarbeautiful than a gigantic and steaming pile
asciilifeform: ' Sam Leffler's graphics/libtiff is one of the 122 packages on the road to www/firefox, yet the resulting Firefox browser does not render TIFF images. For reasons I have not tried to uncover, 10 of the 122 packages need Perl and seven need Python; one of them, devel/glib20, needs both languages for reasons I cannot even imagine.'
asciilifeform: That is the sorry reality of the bazaar Raymond praised in his book: a pile of old festering hacks, endlessly copied and pasted by a clueless generation of IT "professionals" who wouldn't recognize sound IT architecture if you hit them over the head with it.'
asciilifeform: 'This is probably also why libtool's configure probes no fewer than 26 different names for the Fortran compiler my system does not have, and then spends another 26 tests to find out if each of these nonexistent Fortran compilers supports the -g option.
asciilifeform: 'Needless to say, this is more than most programmers would ever want to put up with, even if they had the skill, so the input files for autoconf happen by copy and paste, often hiding behind increasingly bloated standard macros covering "standard tests" such as those mentioned earlier, which look for compatibility problems not seen in the past 20 years'
asciilifeform: which somehow (dun ask me) is intended to make folx swallow the crock of shit , rather than wanting to burn whole edifice down ? nfi.☟︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they operate somewhat like malware obfuscators -- idea, seems, is not to make the sham impenetrable ( this is not physically possible, typically ) but to make the effort of getting to the bottom of every possible idiocy, -ev.
asciilifeform: lolaha, 'only Dumb Orcs pull ~straight~ from thin air!11'
