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asciilifeform: mod6: i'ma work with BingoBoingo + ben_vulpes to get the spreadshit aligned & published; mod6 meanwhile srsly spend some time in a hammock
mod6: Yeah, I recall. There's just no more to give, presently.
asciilifeform: mod6: it's in the l0gz, recall, mircea_popescu was getting ready to tear off my epaulettes
asciilifeform: mod6: pour less, or rather, with less strain to health
mod6: asciilifeform: I'll take some time, but in all honesty, I think Mr. Popescu has it on all accounts. I don't even think he wants to be right on this one, yet he is. And presently, there is nothing I can do to pour myself into the Republic, Foundation, or Pizarro more than I currently am. And at this level of commitment, is harmful to all.
asciilifeform: aaand it's summer there nao.
mod6: ben_vulpes: While we're at it, BingoBoingo reminded me that xmas time is upon us, and it might be a very good time to start shopping for some Pizarro hardware with those amazon credits you're holding. Just a reminder.
asciilifeform: mod6: take sabbatical if you must , but plox to rethink 'i'ma quit errything', you did the work of 6 men, and we're quite short of hands as it is
mod6: In my mind, the Republic isn't just a bunch of individuals - at the low level, of course, we are. But we're here for something greater than ourselves, and that is what drives all of us to put time and money into.
mircea_popescu: dunno that these two can be distinguished. there's really no whole outside of teh individuals involved.
mod6: Yeah, I'll think it over, Sir. But, my main objective is to do what is best for the whole, instead of the individual.
mod6: The same goes with the Foundation, new leadership is required. This means that I will not be within the lordship anymore, but better that, than dishonor.
mod6: So I think the correct thing to do here is to step-down from the Pizarro board, let someone else direct and lead the company to glory, as opposed to the back pages of tardstalk.
mod6: I will take some time to think it over, but this past year has taken a tremendous toll on my physical and mental health. I'm not doing right by myself, my family or the republic. I always said that I wanted to do the Republic as my main thing in life (outside family), but as I've said before, we're just not quite there yet.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-11 14:02 asciilifeform: the 1 open q is whether mod6 will continue as treasurer, presently he is the only 1 with access to the coins + the realtime tx history which powers the spreadshit
mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-11#1871031 << I will not. I will send the remaining Pizarro coins in my deedbot wallet to BingoBoingo today. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-11-11 13:48 mircea_popescu: and in the same vein : if i lose my fucking carkeys, my "prospective plan for carkey finding" doesn't read ANYTHING like "day 1 : look for carkeys ; day 2 : look for carkeys ; day 3 : look for carkeys ; day 4...".
mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-11#1871008 << Point taken. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-11-11 13:33 mircea_popescu: you're a good man, and i trust you, and i know as a matter of fact my trust's not misplaced. we absolutely have to either adjust you to the tasks you have or the tasks you have to you, however, because there's simply no way to maintain trustworthyness on the long haul while capacity-activity mismatch is ongoing.
mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-11#1870995 << Thank you for saying as much, what I've learned from the Republic can not be ever measured. I agree with the point, however. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-11-11 13:33 mircea_popescu: can you ~believe~ how much like something you'd read on tardstalk "investments" your workproduct ends up ?! and this in 2018 ? why, because you've been secretly saving it through a time capsule, insulated from review, all this time ?! god almighty, last thing i want is the yahoo peterl-ism of 2013 perpetuated a second past the end of that year.
mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-11#1870994 << Having been there myself since '11 and all of the scams, believe me, this is the last thing that I wanted. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-11-11 13:33 mircea_popescu: . on the short term you'll have to take some time off and think long and hard and in all seriousness about what you want from this life, because continuing on your present course can't possibly bring much beyond disaster.
mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-11#1870993 << I agree, need to re-think my life. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-11-11 13:33 mircea_popescu: the "sad" news, from this perspective (though it is boldly and fundamentally the exact opposite of sad) is that no, there isn't any "return to the grand old days" on the table. ~emphatically~ not. bitcoin ain't going back to spending a summer at 2 dollars a coin ; and consequentlly you're not going back to being the mod6 of 2013 on ten hours a week and lukewarm committment.
mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-11#1870991 << ah yes, what a time it was tho! ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-11-11 13:32 mircea_popescu: you can't really be the head of the foundation as a guy who monthly publishes a page of .txt on a website somewhere ; you can't really be the board of the isp as a guy who comes up with http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-05#1858303 and http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-05#1839737 and http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-31#1846185 and http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-13#1825070
mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-11#1870981 << You're right, I'm trying to be objective here, I'm not doing a good job on either. ☝︎
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/heres-something-you-dont-see-nearly-often-enough/ << Trilema - Here's something you don't see nearly often enough
a111: Logged on 2018-11-11 13:32 mircea_popescu: it seems to me inescapably the case that you have not been putting either enough time or enough thought into this, and continuing in like manner for year upon year. the inescapable result was accumulation, of exactly the wrong kind : every day you personally grew a little smaller than your image in the forum, and compensating for the difference drew, as any other credit, upon your capacities to service, until eventually the g
mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-11#1870979 << Yeah, I'm disappointed with how things turned out. ☝︎
mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-11#1870978 << I appreciate you taking the time to think on it, Sir. ☝︎
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> but i will add, e.g. rk draws (and emits as heat naturally) ~7watt on a bad day. << On this note new heavy metal rockchip drives were still cool to the touch when I visited the rack yesterday
asciilifeform: ( item will be , granted, thinkable only 1ce we have gossip + self-zeroizing hdd )
asciilifeform: imho it is entirely feasible , in principle, to bake these such that a usg.thief (or whatever other species) wins only a few hundy's worth of rusty irons, if he steals.
asciilifeform: a 20kg crate can carry enuff battery to power rk and any modems for ~week of mains outage.
asciilifeform: 'server' dun have to mean 'opteron graf zeppelin'
asciilifeform: aircondition is not entirely irrelevant to server-wrangling, tho.
mircea_popescu: for some reason dc resolved to "air conditionning" in my head lol
a111: Logged on 2018-11-11 16:52 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-11#1871149 << before that little subthread gets entirely lost in the cacophony of the moar urgent matters : mircea_popescu i also suspect that even without radio etc exotica, gossiptronic routing would give ~same connective reliability to e.g. a flat in kamchatka with 3 heathen isp pipes, as actual dc cage has today
mircea_popescu: hey, methods are on display to be cribbed.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-11 16:00 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> prior to pizarro, i pictured 'tmsr isp' as a moar 'noncontact' item, where heathen contract is signed and robotic 'bring server into gossip net' item is installed immediately. but FG / we-want-custom-irons etc changed this picture << This and those surprise power cycling of dulap I/II (I forget the dulap version history)
asciilifeform: after that we use'em as handle in the spreadshit to refer to his acct.
asciilifeform: pgp each acct holder's bitz, to him.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-11#1871158 << it isn't clear to me that hashing is even needed -- issue to each customer a 256bit string (base64 it) out of a FG, that will be his pseudonym in the public spreadshit. ☝︎
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> i'll admit to having had this problem in the past, i read so much l0gz that they work into dreams when i sleep << My worst nighmares have involved text scrolling in a window
asciilifeform: and the duct tape replaced with proper steel welds.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: lol i dun need 'eased', i'ma be happy when the bug is fixed.
ben_vulpes: i could dig up the reams of satoshi-addition on my eng pad if it would ease your mind
asciilifeform: i'll admit to having had this problem in the past, i read so much l0gz that they work into dreams when i sleep
asciilifeform: will have to go with 'cosmic ray in asciilifeform's head'
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: if you swear there aint one, i'ma believe, because i so far have turned up no trace of it in my own records
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i betcha you're conflating my confusion in http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-04#1809642 with there being a program written. ☝︎
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-11#1871149 << before that little subthread gets entirely lost in the cacophony of the moar urgent matters : mircea_popescu i also suspect that even without radio etc exotica, gossiptronic routing would give ~same connective reliability to e.g. a flat in kamchatka with 3 heathen isp pipes, as actual dc cage has today ☝︎☟︎
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i will know when this discrepancy crept in by wednesday.
asciilifeform: i.e. should we wait for ben_vulpes function to return ? or must soldier on without
asciilifeform: i'ma crib a method from mircea_popescu : ben_vulpes how long do ya think you need to say ~whether you have info~ for us to work with
ben_vulpes: i'm thinking that i actually want to rerun the numbers at sept, because i was damned certain that everything was kosher at that point.
asciilifeform: what i specifically want to avoid, is the scenario where we 'ok ben_vulpes fix' and then month later we're moar-phucked
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: ... this wk ?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: if you suspect the eggog was on your watch... do you think you can get the correct #s today ?
a111: Logged on 2018-11-11 04:16 mod6: Ok, so I'm gonna call it a night. What I do know at this point is the ``surplus'' that we're seeing in the statements goes back at least through the August report. However, I'm not even certain at this point if what I'm seeing is actually incorrect, as I said earlier. Or if I just don't understand what I'm looking at. There's a strong chance that I just don't understand it.
ben_vulpes: footsoldiering task for me: regrind financials from april forward, april being the second-to-last time i audited cash held against statement claims (last time was before handoff to mod6, the correctness of which mod6 apparently doubts per http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-11#1870970 ) ☝︎
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo, mod6 either of you remember this existing ? did cosmic ray hit asciilifeform's head ??
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: never existed. i tabulated in org-mode and did all of the calculations by hand.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i am vehehehery confused nao; i definitely recall a common lisp tabulator thing with numberz
ben_vulpes: ~bedtime until ~midnight by memory), then at least another four to check my results, which frequently included mistakes like mis-markings of which services which customers had paid for and for how long.
ben_vulpes: it may be an 0.3s job to you or one of the ladies that you've trained. every time i sat down to categorize the list of incoming/outgoing into cash account vs customer equity; depreciate the hardware; walk the customer list to determine how much to debit the customer equity line; calculate the value of the btc and uyu i spent about eight hours on it in i estimate in retrospect two four hour shifts (from
mircea_popescu: i certainly can see the narrative that goes "first, the task was to add 6 and 8 and 11 ; then ben_vulpes wanted to take some hours to print out an adhesive 25 to paste on a box we'd therefore call computer ; then mod6 took a few days to complicatedly add by hand to 24 and 26 and so on". it's still a 0.3 second job, harsh mistress experiences notwithstanding.
mircea_popescu: in the end this chokes life out.
mircea_popescu: there's merit to automating things ; but a strict inability to do basic accounting results in and fosters the development of serious other problems. such as a strict inability to plan.
mircea_popescu: the drawback is that you get humans who can't add.
ben_vulpes: it takes quite a bit of time, and is full of manual ops, missteps on any of which foul the whole thing. my inclination is always to automate these and sweat the correctness of the automation instead of the correctness of the process again and again.
mircea_popescu: i still can't imagine how ~any approach fails on it, seeing how the whole customer list is what, dozen ? less ?
ben_vulpes: and i never used a program because, (again cannot find the log link in reasonable-response time) at one point i was working on a schema for tracking customers and what they were paying for and mircea_popescu said something along the lines of "wtf this is a simple text file and accounting problem" ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-11-11 15:27 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ah come the fuck on, he finds out there's a program mid nov ? why, he didn't look in the right place in the pgpball ?
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-11#1871118 << i never used a program. i documented and shared the accounting process with mod6 when i took sabbatical. i lack the log link atm but here's a copy of my original instructions http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/8YtMo/?raw=true ☝︎
BingoBoingo: How much salt to shake out of the FUCKGOATS?
BingoBoingo: One or two rounds?
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> prior to pizarro, i pictured 'tmsr isp' as a moar 'noncontact' item, where heathen contract is signed and robotic 'bring server into gossip net' item is installed immediately. but FG / we-want-custom-irons etc changed this picture << This and those surprise power cycling of dulap I/II (I forget the dulap version history) ☟︎
asciilifeform: once ~current~ item no longer in acute danger of choking on own vomit, can potentially revisit this.
asciilifeform: traditional dc, with its fiber trunks, is somewhat intrinsically incatronic item imho
mircea_popescu: and there's stuff to look at re power and so on. dammi tempu etc.
asciilifeform: ( and within range of the nearest jungle mast )
asciilifeform: cuz then all you really need is a mains socket.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: while we're on 'fyootoor techs' : i suspect that a working radio net would make 'robo-pizarro' a substantially moar practical notion. ( i.e. if 'cage' could in just about anywhere, not necessarily 'dc' )
mircea_popescu: and before there was one there were none.
asciilifeform: thus far there's exactly 1 BingoBoingo and he'd better not contract yellow fever. not even speaking of hypothetical robot that births BingoBoingos...
mircea_popescu: ie, exactly what the shinohais of this world are stuck doing, like it or not like it.
mircea_popescu: not in the general case. but for its needs it is -- "i follow his lordship x, and sink with him".
mircea_popescu: has wot for that :)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if robo-woman can muster the hiring of actual pair of hands, to hoist boxen, weasel heathens into 'bank acct', etc -- then yes. tho it still wouldn't crack the problem of 'loyal hands'
asciilifeform: ( it worked, in certain sense of 'worked', for bitcoin -- but it is not only a quite narrow problem set, but very diff affair in re process latency than what folx generally expect of 'server' )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nothing prevents "irene" the bot from hiring such a cage.
asciilifeform: ( asciilifeform strongly suspects that the idea of replacing '2 strong oxen with 1024 chickens' in the ~general case~ is a perpetuum mobile. witness the heathens and their 'cloudism' , it is a circus )
asciilifeform: if there were advances on the ideal-net-of-perfectly-redundant-boxes front ( as described in e.g. mircea_popescu's 'uci' piece ) conceivably there could be a place for such 'isp'. but it still cannot replace an actual cage where you can put actual sealed irons with custom fillings.
asciilifeform: prior to pizarro, i pictured 'tmsr isp' as a moar 'noncontact' item, where heathen contract is signed and robotic 'bring server into gossip net' item is installed immediately. but FG / we-want-custom-irons etc changed this picture
asciilifeform: sumbody's gotta interface with heathendom, presently state of the art afaik does not give robot for this
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they move by order eh. besides, subs and all that.
mircea_popescu: whole fucking point is to degrade empire to that level of http://trilema.com/2016/give-computers-the-vote-theyre-cheaper-than-women-even/