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asciilifeform: ( i had a pogo going like this for a while )
asciilifeform: incidentally, a dick^H^Hsk-less pc makes for another interesting feature, a known-starting-state.
asciilifeform: ( and any such return entails a 'from whence the drivers', for which the magic pill is... we haven't any. rs232, motherfuckers. )
asciilifeform: merely cumbersome. but if contemplating a return to 'msdos with bigger addr space', it is also fitting to discuss other cumbersomes.
asciilifeform: at any rate this is a pretty obvious scheme.
asciilifeform: strictly serial. if you want to speak via a nic, that goes on 2nd box
asciilifeform: the other bit, is that we are picturing a box without a nic. ( it may come equipped with one, but it dun get plugged in )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it'd even not be wholly ludicrous to have 1 doslike thing per cpu core, and a standardized means whereby master (of which there is to be ONE) can drive the slaves
mircea_popescu: it's a stupid thing, like a multi-driver-wheel bus.
asciilifeform: it is possible to accomplish useful work on a box where only cpu, memory, and serial ports, work.
mircea_popescu: the model is fundamentally broken. you do not actually want a multi-user machine, ever, period.
asciilifeform: for the 'helpers' -- the sharp end of a trench shovel.
asciilifeform: the reasons, at this point, are not a mega-secret to anyone here.
asciilifeform: problem is that a language with nonhardrealtime gc is unsuitable for cryptography.
asciilifeform: end result is to be a vaguely msdos-like thing that understands how to configure x64 page table, put/get blocks of disk, and speak over rs232 port. and on top of this, a self-building gnat. ☟︎☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: asciilifeform has stabbed on and off at the problem, for a very long time.
asciilifeform: in other 3-years-and-continuing lulz, https://archive.is/kGc6w >> '...I've been trying to build these style tools for around 10 years, on and off, and they have never built correctly for these targets and any attempt to put in a bug report about it is a waste of time as someone comes along states it works and closes it, even though it doesn't.'
asciilifeform: there simply ain't moar to be had ( safely, that is -- you can use a faster-slewing op amp, in this collection scheme, but you will be harvesting power supply artifacts, 'voice of america', switching transients.. )
asciilifeform: ( why to bother with hardware, if resorting to prng , remains a mystery )
mircea_popescu: there's a reason the "security.nl" maggots say what they say.
asciilifeform: relatedly, at one point i considered a FG add-on that'd turn it into a ps/2 'keyboard' eternally pissing out, e.g., d0bc05f466024f14... which, e.g., xxd will happily eat & turn into binariola
asciilifeform: not to mention a proggy that eats rng oughta be periodically tested using ~known~ bits
mircea_popescu: yes but they already got their userland, and it's a) shit and b) unrecompilable.
asciilifeform: but that the ~correct~ move is proggy that takes a /dev/foo1,/dev/foo2... as command line params and eats rng from ~there~
mircea_popescu: i suppose "driver" in context might mean a kernel patch to feed /random from fg
mircea_popescu: it's still not clear to me dumping it into the pool is a bad move.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc we had a thread even here where somebody whined that FG doesn't work as a 'totem' where you 'plug in and forget and it just becomes your /dev/random' and that it has to be actively ~used~ ☟︎
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> might as well ask the kfc colonel his professional opinion re fort sumter. << "Lincoln was a war criminal" is the response I got
a111: Logged on 2016-06-19 05:35 asciilifeform: the next morning, commander tours the base, says to sergeant: 'everything seems ok, but what is this nonsense, they showed me the scrapyard and your men threw out a perfectly fine burbulator!!!'
mircea_popescu: but everything has a bunch of them so
asciilifeform: aaah a burbulator
mircea_popescu: anywya, maybe we can talk diana_coman into borrowing us a manager class.
mircea_popescu: rather than try and fix it, and in the process learn a thing or two about just how utterly fucktarded they are.
mircea_popescu: "you can always recognize a fuckgoats by that sure sign, that all the dounces in the county are arrayed in a confederacy against it."
mircea_popescu: how did that quote abnout a confederacy of dounces go
mircea_popescu still can't forget the "i have a laptop that doesn't exist" bs.
asciilifeform: rms afaik is not a serial anything, had exactly 1 thing
mircea_popescu: which is why "eth has market value". the entire market value of ethereum (all chains) is under a grand. but the lizards will keep buying it, for all the fiddy bux a week that costs, to prop up the pretense. if it catches, they got "millionz" and if not they're out five coffees for a dozen losers who were getting that coffee off social security anyway.
shinohai: http://archive.is/cWlpR <<< By Gavin logic, moar ETH nodes = good while less BTC nodes = A OK
mircea_popescu: if i were a judge i'd throw the book at this so-called "government" so help me. lie to me do one month in the can, no questions asked. so if it takes fifty da's it'll take fifty da's.
mircea_popescu: you can throw a rock in a la hotel and hit a waitress that's more of an "international drug market"
mircea_popescu: a yeah, don't even remind me of the """major player""" silk road, that somehow was a big deal in spite of not being able to place one pound over xmas-new year's. TWO WEEKS!
mircea_popescu: typical half ounce a week "Drug dealer" gets robbed, thieves make away with 17k in cash and some cheap fake jewelry. "MULLIONS MISSING!!!"
shinohai: Well, if you don't have the private keys to an address to prove ownership, you really don't have anything at all, no matter how many imaginary numbers you are told you hold on a site.
shinohai: This is obviously a step above - I'm willing to bet all passwords are secured with military grade encryption too, since they are so professional.
shinohai: Nah, funds are safe there. They store funds in a multi-signature cold storage with a bank level security grade!
mircea_popescu: buncha russians made a flawless browser game, it's something else.
BingoBoingo: Many times there were beggars, many times I was drunk. It is a miracle I remember as much as I do.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo remember that dude from fucking siberia begging in b-a years ago ?
mircea_popescu: but none had a working brain.
mircea_popescu: it's just kinda funny that a) the one eyed man in russian empire was deemed dumb by the blind ; and b) the unassuming and unexpected little chinese man ACTUALLY DID IT. never said it. did do it.
asciilifeform: it boggles my mind that none of these folx ( at least afaik ) ever grasped that 'nonviolence', 'rule of law', 'parliamentarianism' were tentacles of the enemy, rather than a victory
asciilifeform: Their primary purpose fulfilled, they had no agenda supportable with violence anymore due to the creation of the state of Israel’s presence. Instead of disbanding after their success, the Irgun continued to remain active, shifting into a productive political role. ' -- random usg derp
asciilifeform: 'When a terrorist group such as the Irgun Zvai Leumi sees their key objective completed, what do they do? In the case of their use of terrorism, the Irgun came to an end not because the funds died out or support waned, but because the leadership recognized the need to move to a more democratic and non-violent strategy. In order to continue pushing for additional change, no longer would the Irgun act under overt auspices of violence.
asciilifeform: this thread a little too thin for asciilifeform's naked eye.
asciilifeform: there is a pov that irgun was british-infested even earlier, though, and 'lehi' was the tru-fork. but i do not have a deep enough picture of the period events to say if.
mircea_popescu: fucking credo goes "this is my rifle" etc specifically BECAUSE loser = dude who thinks "whatcha hassling me for man, it's just a gig, it;'s not my life"
mircea_popescu: and it's a sickeningly common view among underground fighters because they makle the mistake to "salvage their sanity" by "pretending this is something that's not them"
mod6: i like how searching the logs for a word like 'stochastic' can lead me down 2012 memory lane
mircea_popescu: absolutely depicting the obese as human, showing supposed "affection" etcetera should be a felony.
mod6: <+ben_vulpes> mod6: i'll add a quotulator, it's been on my backburner for a while << ok cool! no hurry
mircea_popescu: send them to pick garbage on highway side for a coupla weeks for their impure thoughts, i say
mircea_popescu: somehow 50yo redneck taking girlie to his house in the woods and showing her a ropey good time for a coupla weeks is like a fucking emergency ; but 20something sexually useless wreck daydreaming about her boss doesn't even warrant a slap on the wrist ?
mircea_popescu: this is lulzily reminiscent of the weabo thing sina dug up yest. it's easy enough, from the tard perspective, to go "hey, i live in canada, mp lives in romania, basically the same thing yes ?" but then a few years go by, during which mp has lived in argentina and costa rica, and well... suddenly it's not nearly all that similar anymore.
a111: Logged on 2017-06-12 16:53 asciilifeform: trinque: kako now runs a public pissoire , voice-for-all, complete with gimmebots, ethertards, etc., many joys
mircea_popescu: this wouldn't be the same redirecting links in a html, where _anchor_ used to go to url1 but now it'd (silently, unless you kept actual html copies) goes to url2. but in irc format there's no way to link other than by textually dumping a link, so...
a111: Logged on 2017-06-12 16:17 phf: asciilifeform: so right now, if you click in the little up arrow, it'll take you to the location in btcbase. i think i might've disabled link substitution at some point on account of it being a subtle log manipulation
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-12#1669131 << it's a thorny bush, but i'm with alf : as long as the TEXT reads historically accurate, where the text links can be up to your implementation. person doesn't like where you direct the links, the historicval original is one copy/paste op away. ☝︎
diana_coman: <mod6> diana_coman is a warrior; nice post <- out of the saddest necessity really; thanks!
phf: right now i have a handful of hacky python scripts that simply proxy /mkj/yyyymmdd and /bvulpes/yyyymmdd. they return dates in kako format, but parse html using pyquery.
ben_vulpes: mod6: i'll add a quotulator, it's been on my backburner for a while
mircea_popescu: seems a perfectly sane format.
phf: i think it would be handy if loggers supported web export in kako format over some alternative url. so you could for example say http://bvulpes/log?format=kako&date=2016-01-01 and that'll give you id;ts;nick;message plain text. think i'll write a proposal for it
phf: ben_vulpes: could you possibly add timestamp (hh:mm:ss, say) to your div.line's. maybe as data-ts="..." or perhaps as a div.nick title?
mircea_popescu: i have a lot of sympathy. because my fucking artichokes grew like 2.5 m tall.
a111: Logged on 2017-06-12 17:20 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-12#1668953 << dude's in fucking love, clearly. yo benjie : that's how plants look irl, not girl's fault you grew up in the boot of a 2 seater roadster!
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-12#1669175 << excuse you, it was a "suburban", aka "glorified and overpowered van filled with bench seats" ☝︎
phf: a fairly inexpensive way to learn some of the tmsr lessons
phf: i kind of want to take a stab at doing a common lisp text only client, but i think i lost my password again, and i'm too embarrassed to ask for another recovery........
asciilifeform: phf: i'd doubt that the existing open sores turd would do the job ( esp how 'render without gpu' is a more or less entirely untested component, 'everyone has gpu!111' etc )
mircea_popescu: phf the topic of making clients for teh eulora is very much open, my model is that there's a bunch of 3rd party clients, from text to whatever gpu-enabled thing.
asciilifeform: phf: i know very little re eulora design process, but did assume that mircea_popescu et al deliberately put in a polygon count limit, and that the logic was approx like this.
mircea_popescu: imagine, eulora played for paypal ? fuck that shit with a hot iron poker, there's NO WAY shitworld claws back to relevancy.
mircea_popescu: absolutely never licensing any of this. people wish to contribute, they get to participate, not to "just like bitcoin with a little bit of censorship" bullshit. ☟︎
asciilifeform: btw the graphics , as seen by asciilifeform's naked eye, suggest that a cpu-only renderer ( 0 magic iron ) could, in theory, run eulora
asciilifeform: an ada '3d engine' would be quite a thing, incidentally
mircea_popescu: which, incidentally, looks like it'll take one mentally competent woman about one year. the "open source" crapolade was built OVER A DECADE. and it's ~useless, within three zeros.
trinque: is this a matter of backing out of using a big open source item?
mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-12#1668953 << /me didn't even get to do a garden this year :[ ☝︎
mircea_popescu: moreover, replacing a coke habit with a workout habit is, in practice and experience, the cheapest, safest and surest way to rehab crackwhores.
asciilifeform: i've found that teaching ada to c programmer is almost a miniature course in subj
mircea_popescu: but presenting cogently and in a tight package the man-monkey difference can't possibly hurt the recent escapee off the "i can't believe it's not plato's" cave.
asciilifeform: but the responsibility to be a man rather than monkey -- cannot be delegated to tool.
asciilifeform: so to a certain extent tools can shape habit. and the bridges are maintained, instead of folx clustering around the souped car.
asciilifeform: naggum had an interesting discussion re cl ( and iirc also mentioned ada, his other-language ) in re discouragement of 'easy to write small throwaway programs' as a factor in building durable infrastructure ( vs liquishit, which in his time consisted of microshit and of perlism )
mircea_popescu: and ability to drive is what makes, properly, a driver. it STILL HELPS to tell people "objects in rearview mirror are closer than they appear".
asciilifeform: it isn't clear to me that there is a problem described here, such that could admit an answer.
asciilifeform: their attempts are a laugh, though -- their picture of 'sexy project' is about as appealing as syphilis
mircea_popescu dislikes the notion of guilt tripping people as a resource allocation mechanism.
mircea_popescu: from a purely alien perspective, in a town with decaying infrastructure you'll still see a bunch of men gathered around the guy souping up his car, rather than gathered around the places which desperately need maintenance work.