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mircea_popescu: i suppose trully, they're just british.

mircea_popescu: i always thought that's just gypsy swag. now you're telling me it's ukrainian ?!

mircea_popescu: meanwhile from the "today i introduced my best friend to my master. we went for a picnic" files, https://68.media.tumblr.com/91b81a0742485b4a8aee7870536e5603/tumblr_onq1le4qqH1ssn9vjo1_400.gif

a111: Logged on 2016-05-04 00:32 asciilifeform: i also recommend that gpg4win henceforth be referred to as gpg4lose.

a111: Logged on 2016-05-01 17:42 asciilifeform: (they bought the outfit i was in at the time, hilarious story for another time)

mircea_popescu: which reminds me, girl forgot wireless mouse for laptop, was trying to use the mousepad. i, from meters away, was helping with the mouse.

asciilifeform: well, on classical x11 i have, e.g., machine that runs, say, 20 gui proggies, and each one 1) is on an entirely different machine, somewhere else, some of them not even on same continent 2) behaves EXACTLY as if it were running locally, window reshapes, etc 3) none have any shared state with the others, each sees local disk only of own local machine etc ☟︎

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't get it.

asciilifeform: i.e. remote session on ARBITRARY SIZED DISPLAY and not in motherfucking microshit-style 'have your 1024x768 remotedesktop liquishit'

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-17#1671325 << the objection is valid but only when it comes with a 'and here is how i shortened it and DOES SAME JOB' ☝︎

asciilifeform: i used to have pedals

asciilifeform: connected to, i shit thee not, dedicated physical keys.

asciilifeform: and i mean literally does not EVER move by itself -- not connected to mouse, either

asciilifeform: ( this is trivial in 'ratpoison' and i have nfi where else )

asciilifeform: as in, 0 popups, focus moves WHEN I MOTHERFUCKING MOVE IT

a111: Logged on 2017-06-17 04:05 phf: since applications (and that includes window managers) tend to send around lots of different messages as the focus is traveling around your window hierarchy, i wouldn't be surprised if gtk/qt does a very specific grab when you put a cursor inside your app's password box, and do a release whenever focus travels away

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-17#1671355 << can't speak for other folx, i run in '0 stealing focus' mode ☝︎

phf: since applications (and that includes window managers) tend to send around lots of different messages as the focus is traveling around your window hierarchy, i wouldn't be surprised if gtk/qt does a very specific grab when you put a cursor inside your app's password box, and do a release whenever focus travels away ☟︎

mircea_popescu: i read that as you proposing random third party to be the root for the discussion somehow.

sina: oh, yeah, I read through that, and wanted to see if the password manager I use was utilising it ala gpg pinentry that phf mentioned

phf: so any wayland app that has access to your wayland session by the obvious implications can do the obvious thing: gpg encrypt all your files, steal all your passwords, and send compromising emails to all your friends, because as should be obvious that app has access to everything else you have access too oh my fucking god the level of retardation i can't even.

phf: but anyway, all of this is at all relevant why? because of the first things i said, i.e. x11 lets clients ~from network~ or ~from other users~ to connect to your session

sina: phf: ok that is pretty interesting and I didn't know

phf: never the less ~xterm~ specifically supports server grab for people who know what they are doing (i.e. not the lunix on desktop crowd)

phf: so now it doesn't matter who's registered for what, the only windows that will be receiving events are those in the server grab hierarchy, i.e. your chosen window and its children

sina: I have no beef with that extension

phf: sina: can you wait till i finish my explanation

mircea_popescu: sometimes i suspect asciilifeform has octopus helmet but with eyes, reads like that.

sina: I just pointing out the issue illustrated there

asciilifeform: sina: i read it back when.

sina: I'm not even a fan of Joanna or Qubes OS Xen junk

asciilifeform: ^ for n00bz -- this is verbatim Official usg doctrine -- i.e. the ostensible reason why winblowz is mandatory at nsa etc

asciilifeform: 'Windows is the only one mainstream OS I'm aware of, that actually attempts to implement some form of GUI-level isolation, starting from Windows Vista. See e.g. this ancient article I wrote in the days when I used Vista at my primary laptop.'

phf: that much is obvious from what he said so far, but i thought maybe he'll choose to think about it a little bit

mircea_popescu: phf i doubt he's anything more than simply pissed at the rather famous x thing.

sina: I'm trying to remember that thing you said when I was asking about the php mpfhf

sina: mircea_popescu: my main gripe is that X apps aren't isolated from each other, so they can tamper easily. I don't really like it that a vulnerability in, e.g. xeyes, can read firefox memory, or whatever.

sina: I'm not saying it's the best thing ever, but X needs to die, and only a few people are doing the work to kill it

mircea_popescu: koch's styill can, i'm, sure.

sina: I got nothing against Wayland.

phf: some people when they come back to old homestead take certain perverse pleasure in learning that joe now sucks cock for meth, while molly is married with three kids to a cop that beats her. not i, i'm sad to see my childhood friends debase themselves so

mircea_popescu: the ONLY WAY anything can matter is if ~I~ use it.

mircea_popescu: BECAUSE i do not use it.

mircea_popescu: and i mean this very literally.

mircea_popescu: i dun get what exactly is the need for another key exchange algo.

asciilifeform: ( at some point i'ma get around to sawing the thing open an' seeing if it contains salvageables )

mircea_popescu: not sure i'd go as far as all that.

sina: I knew you'd like it

sina: for some reason I feel mircea_popescu will enjoy this tweet https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/listening

sina: literally everyone I know https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/listening

lobbes: I one day aim to migrate lobbesbot functions over to that.. but many things in the hopper before then

lobbes: <mircea_popescu> use supybot carcass then << aye. 'tis what lobbesbot (and I think jhvh1) run on, sina ☟︎

sina: oh yeah I started working on an ircbot!

asciilifeform: i couldn't make these up if i tried.

phf: ben_vulpes: i think they took one group photo of the afrian team (you can see it elsewhere) and then cut it for profile pictures

BingoBoingo: https://i.redditmedia.com/eqWytWUtXWkDfdLSxRfzmV7t9r54kFBd35fovMbIea8.jpg?w=979&s=e226eae1ae23a27cc95555da99f8585e

ben_vulpes: > i am obedient

ben_vulpes: ahaha creative director: "i am creating : we are inspiring"

Framedragger: ah, just that all this time i was thinking #t was making fun of wannabe-board-member derps, but the above ^ are actual quotes

phf: BOARD PRESIDENT; EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE CHAIR i am loving and capable : we are miracles

phf: BOARD MEMBER i am inspired by children at UBUNTU school : we are working hard to help them reach their potential

asciilifeform: 'production manager' : 'i am a DIVA : we are the future of tomorrow'

asciilifeform: 'head of production' : 'i am growing : we are gonna change it all'

asciilifeform: lol i have these here also

phf: but re wf, fwiw it's the least expensive of the pantsuit stores. there are much worse examples from both price and "ubuntu foundation" perspective. for example i have Mom's and Yes organic both within walking distance. i used to live next to dawson's in rockville. all of them are more wf than wf.

asciilifeform: anyone in usa who has not been to a wf -- visit, it is quite surreal 'disneyland of 'bay aryanism'' theme park. contains everything from 'ubuntu foundation coffee' to 'airbnb magazine' (i shit thee not)

trinque: I guess when it's somebody important, counts as percussion

lobbes: Aha! Elliot reference. Just as a I expected :D

trinque: speaking of commies, I'm finding I quite enjoy sviatoslav richter

asciilifeform: i'ma take a photo next time i see it

asciilifeform: relatedly , i went to one the other day, and saw -- i shit thee not -- ubuntufoundation-branded coffee.

Framedragger: diana_coman: yeah, not too geographically ambitious for the time being, i'faith, hm

Framedragger: .lt for the summer at least. no master plan, and right now don't feel like having one (first time i feel like that in life)

mircea_popescu: i'd shut down ceu too.

Framedragger: i can believe re. whores! visited briefly. weird language, one of its kind in that branch or something like that, right?

mod6: i'll have to check it out

Framedragger: will be relatively (entomologically?) interesting to watch from some distance away (i mean, europe is all the very same swamp, sure...)

a111: Logged on 2017-06-09 17:43 asciilifeform: !~later tell Framedragger do you perchance remember where in the logs i posted phuctor's key parser ?

Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-09#1667749 << sorry asciilifeform, i missed this "tell" and only saw now! hmm, key *parser* - as in, pgp parser? i don't believe you've posted that before, or i haven't seen it. at any rate you probably meant sth else that the phuctor fingerprint generator i assume? ☝︎

BingoBoingo: Found in the wild: "I know this is the most controversial part of my story. A few people I told this one before would instantly jump to her defense: if she felt she was harassed then she was, end of story. Who knows. As an aside, I found it extremely interesting that mentioning the guy's race instantly changed those people's minds (Pat's white, the guy who got fired was the only african american on our team)." << Victim Olympics

Framedragger: (in truth, whole loggotron is in need of drainage, just fyi that i don't forget previous requests.. but yes, slow)

Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-12#1669119 << yes can do, if no other opinions, then will do - i like the way btcbase does it now! ☝︎

asciilifeform: !~later tell pete_dushenski http://www.contravex.com/2017/06/15/the-lord-hath-no-fury-like-a-keyboard-monkey-scorned-a-beschaulich-vpatch-saga/#comment-57393 << i confess that i was unable to make sense of this

BingoBoingo: Nah, I mean with milk

mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes this intersectional thing is so tense! i can barely follow.

trinque: oh god, I'm tired, made same joke as the filename

mircea_popescu: with any luck i'll be realising alf's dream of a floating house.

asciilifeform: there could be something to that -- i once had mice get into the container.

asciilifeform: jurov: it's sold at corner shop but to this day i have nfi what it is used for here !

jurov: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-15#1670769 if i translated buckwheat right, it's available in slovakia but not widely used, i don't remember last time i ate it ☝︎

asciilifeform: i suspect there's a handful of basic variations.

trinque: yes yes, I long for death.

asciilifeform: i'll admit i never liked the original of ^

mircea_popescu: actually, that piece i wrote is probably fine example

trinque: I am not prepared to redefine "

mircea_popescu: "o ya ? i there's nothing i can do about it then tell you what, ILL LIKE IT! SO THERE!"

asciilifeform: phf: re hunter h. thompson << i really ~wanted~ to like him. but bounced off every time tried to read any.

phf: actually in 2005 or so, i was reading a lot of hunter thompson and first got into the whole americana thing. i spent some time at kind of dirty biker honky tonk places. my guides, on more than one occasion, warned me not to speak at all (at first, and while i'm sober anyway), so as not to alert the locals to the fact that i'm russian. i'm pretty sure that at this point at the same bars i would automatically gain an honored guest status for being russia

phf: also in the last two years, as putin became a kind of presidential role model for the midwest, i think it also became a lot more acceptable to come out in support of countries that are not america, so america and its people are seen as having lost the way, etc. it went from "red scare" to "i wish putin was our president" (a phrase i've heard more than once even before the previous election cycle)

phf: well, i've met a handful a American Boy types who were interested in fighting on behalf of israel and defending the christian faith (???) against muslims over the past years, but it's gotten to the point where this doesn't seem to be fringe position