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bounce idly wonders whether a basic heroku instance can be made
to maintain an irc connection.
mircea_popescu: the minimum bar for b-a coders is, persons for whom
this is a one person job.
mircea_popescu: it is entirely unrelated
to deedbot, which from what i understand punkman's almost done with anyway.
mircea_popescu: well, just like with every one so far.
the ability
to roll a bot,
the ability
to handle gpg logins, produce webpages and maintain a database.
bounce: ok. what sort of skills do you expect will be needed
to "code"
the
things
that go into making your car?
bounce: nah, just sloppy spec. care
to
tighten it up?
bounce: so what is a website
then, but a collection of pages, possibly numbering but one page? in fact, just one page (with loads of unnecessary javascript) is currently
the
trendy
thing
thestringpuller: then you should say "I want functioning car. Ready
to drive"
mircea_popescu: "who wants
to make me a car ?" "here's a
thing" "mmmkay" "no srsly, cars consist of
things"
bounce: well, "websites"
typically consiste of "webpages", so yeah.
bounce: <html><head><title>website</title></head><body>[insert
text here</body></html>
bounce: I don't even mind fingerprints as such
that much -- when used as corroborating evidence established by an expert -- but wholesale fingerprinting of everyone for essentially no reason ("passing customs") and automated "matching" is an enabler for insidious systemic malice
that really is a problem on its own.
assbot: "The Secret
Team,
The CIA and Its Allies in Control of
the United States and
the World"
decimation: I guess
the leidenfrost effect would protect you if done correctly
chetty: perfect,
the witch
trials, only
the innocent drown
decimation: but asciilifeform -
they would lose
their excellent
taste!
decimation: lol "As Western intelligence services continued
to register successes with
the polygraph as a counterintelligence
tool, Soviet propaganda on polygraph machines changed from "bourgeois hoaxes"
to (tested research devices.)
decimation: interestingly I don't
think
the kgb used polygraphs very much
decimation: asciilifeform: I agree
that's
the end effect, but in a supposedly 'democratic' government
the idea is
terrifying
decimation: I suspect it helps reinforce
the 'us vs.
them'
thing
ben_vulpes: can't speak
to
the hasids or historically, but definitely in my experience.
decimation: asciilifeform: I suspect what's really
the case is
that once
they have gotten
to
the 'top' bureaucrats come
to appreciate
their 'right'
to interrogate
their workforce at will
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: 'carry out
the program' << yup.
bounce: they apparently have more intelligent commentary on
their own scripture
than, oh, islam, or even christianity
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah but
the very least
the ses brass and
their 'internal affairs' folks are believers (or at least unwilling
to pretend otherwise)
bounce: to climb up you may have
to be a believer
decimation: which means of course
that everyone who works for
the fbi is a 'believer'
bounce: oh yes,
the fbi is still
the biggest lie detector fanclub, possibly after scientology
bounce: or, as
the case may be, fraud with cards and such
decimation: 'lie detector' is still used for
this purpose against usg employees
bounce: fingerprints work reasonably well as criminal corrobating evidence. as soon as
that gets forgotten
that
the matching is
taken as a binary guilty decision,
then we have guaranteed miscarriages of justice all over
decimation: asciilifeform: after all, only experts can make
the right 'match'
chetty: well as soon as
there is fingerprint evidence on someone
they want
to get off
decimation: fingerprints are part of
the general 'forensics' pseudoscience
that is used as an aid in reducing
the number of
thinking people required
to
throw a chump in
the gulag
bounce: all good and well
to want
to avoid societal collapse, but
to pretend biology would willingly accomodate you
there is maybe a bit much.
the judge's answer
thus is a good measure of
the quality of
the judicial branch
decimation: "The FBI described
the fingerprint match as "100% verified". According
to
the court documents in judge Ann Aiken's decision,
this information was largely "fabricated and concocted by
the FBI and DOJ". When
the FBI finally sent Mayfield's fingerprints
to
the Spanish authorities,
they contested
the matching of
the fingerprints from Brandon Mayfield
to
the ones associated with
the Madrid bombing."
bounce: noteworthy is
that in
the 100+ years fingerprinting has been in use,
there's been something like one limited study (30k fingerprints or so), and
that's it.
mats_cd03: on
the subject of
trials, my research is going swimmingly. roughly 20% finished.
decimation: bounce:
the purpose of
the security around
the president is so
the bureaucrats who really run usg can demonstrate
their enthusiasm for
the current symbol-in-chief
bounce: hehe. did
the judge fall for
that ploy?
bounce thinks
the amount of "security" around POTUS is both its own show and another sign
that el presidente is not in fact in control of
the government faculties
assbot: Brandon Mayfield - Wikipedia,
the free encyclopedia
decimation: asciilifeform: and when
the masses
try
to call
the government
to deliver on
their promises (revolutionary France) everything collapses
bounce already had
the hunch
that we'd be better off with a lot less "rights", but with
the ones we do have, properly observed.
decimation: bounce:
that's glitz
that's designed
to sell space
bounce: on a somewhat lighter note, compare "state of
the art" datacentres with biometric access measures.
decimation: bounce:
they employ plenty of warm bodies, very few people
decimation: the 'king's justice' has been watered down
to "present your id card"
bounce: to
the point of buying massive amounts of machinery
then _leaving much of it crated in storage_
decimation: true, but at least in
the early days
the king's men would go out and hear cases, and judge
them as
they saw fit
bounce: feh.
they have
the people.
they're just wasting resources on big large expensive machines
that go 'ping'.
they /could/ be hiring people for
that money, but
they're not.
bounce: corollary: since parties deploying
this are out
to get you, not help you,
they should be avoided. or neutralised.
decimation: so all
they can do is make a cardboard cutout robot of a 'person'
decimation: asciilifeform:
there's an even deeper
truth
there -
the reality is
that usg doesn't have
the 'People' needed
to determine actual
truth
bounce: fits with
the rest of
the evidence about
the other systems deployed by parties using
this
decimation: asciilifeform:
the 'weapons will not be issued' link is hilarious
chetty: well
to be fair some of
them
think, but mostly with
their bellies and other body parts
bounce: engineers do, make, fix, etc.
thinking starts maybe once
the
tech is widely deployed and cannot be put back in
the box.
bounce: fingers
to make it unchangeable,
technology
to make it infallible. perfect combination, no?
decimation: bounce: not so easy
to 'check for life'
chetty: its pretty funny actually, really annoys
those folks
that expect
the fingerprint scanners
to work :)
assbot: BBC NEWS | World | Asia-Pacific | Malaysia car
thieves steal finger