asciilifeform: it's not a martian lang or anyffing, not rice kingdom hieroglyph.

asciilifeform: trilema-1armbandit a+++ would roll again

asciilifeform: it was.

asciilifeform: aha reread recently

asciilifeform: but moar like victorian typhoidal 'nedeflorena' or who was it ☟︎

asciilifeform: and not to die 'with a bang' driving panzer over untermenschen, either

asciilifeform: would rather magic it away. like in microshit's ciphered patches. ( i knew folx who made a comfortable living simply by reversing those. )

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760692 << they don't want you to LOOK at the 'bug'. elementarily. ☝︎

asciilifeform: this item is the sucking black hole of suction at the heart of all modern cryptohokum

asciilifeform: ( or rather, starting here, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-02#1621201 ) ☝︎

asciilifeform: ^ thread.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-02#1621207 ☝︎

asciilifeform: could've sworn we had this thread.

asciilifeform: hm

asciilifeform: !#s cipher triangle

asciilifeform: and prng.

asciilifeform: and vice-versa.

asciilifeform: but to return upstack , if one could design a satisfactory ( somehow! ) hash , it would thereby also necessarily be a satisfactory symm cipher. ☟︎

asciilifeform: ( unlike e.g. sha2 )

asciilifeform: more specifically, you can use it as cipher without modification and without suffering immediate kindermat

asciilifeform: keccak in fact can be used as cipher without modification ( it dun suffer length-extensions )

asciilifeform: ditto symmetric ciphers ( we already discussed, they are equivalent )

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: revelation : ALL classic hash algos are .

asciilifeform: i hear also drives off plague flea

asciilifeform: you ain't ever getting those brain cycles back

asciilifeform: by far.

asciilifeform: srsly shinohai reddit is worse habit than smoking

asciilifeform: but just as well, loox like rubbish

asciilifeform: eggog

asciilifeform: ( this is prolly doomed to happen in the end. i.e. gotta retarget gnat to a simplified mips or the like, and then run in emulator, verify actual clock cycle counts ) ☟︎

asciilifeform: would have to be emulated, and gcc retargeted...

asciilifeform: it also so happens that i do not own a non8bitbyte iron to test on, nor know where to obtain such.

asciilifeform: all of them but the FFA_IO items and the hex_digit thing.

asciilifeform: but not nontraditional arity of bit.

asciilifeform: afaik all of the routines as they stand nao, will work on nontraditional bitnesses of bytes and bytenesses of words

asciilifeform: ( abolishing the otherwise inescapable copying and special-cases )

asciilifeform: makes karatsuba cut cleanly.

asciilifeform: nope. it relies on binary shifts, and on bitnesses being powers of 2

asciilifeform: ( asciilifeform has written on the subj in the past, and will again )

asciilifeform: in that sense binary-logic was the original sin.

asciilifeform: no practical way around it.

asciilifeform: rs232 et al eat 8bit bytes, sadly

asciilifeform: lol i'm for 11bit bytes then!1

asciilifeform: this is a persistent confusion , byte vs register , in mircea_popescu's head, and will have to be cured

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: a byte is still 8.

asciilifeform: consider the approach in ffa. only critical bottlenecks, that soak up 90+% of cycles and create an impractically-slow rsa op , get massaged ~to the extent necessary~ , and without compromising type safety

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760642 << the part that was never clear to me is 'if speed of clean lisp is inadequate, why not write whole thing in asm; if adequate -- why commit this war crime' ☝︎

asciilifeform: there is not a pill against this; it is why cmachine Must Die

asciilifeform: and, shitgnomery aside even, x86-optimized lispolade is ~always~ nauseating to read

asciilifeform: tho in all fairness the unoptimized 'reference' is at least not immediately nauseating ( https://github.com/pmai/sha3/blob/master/keccak-reference.lisp )

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'fortranistic' lisp

asciilifeform: i did read the current item, imho quite ugly

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760640 << would be interesting to see exactly how this 'bug' looked. but currently can't be arsed to unearth the old crud ( where even is it ) ☝︎☟︎

asciilifeform: apparently arse technica starved for noosefodder

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760637 << hilariously, i had previously read the whole thing... on fcc's www. ( they have a public pillory of all citations/fines/complaints/etc ) ☝︎

asciilifeform: err, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2051&cpage=1#comment-18461

asciilifeform: diana_coman: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2051&cpage=1#comment-18460

asciilifeform: in other noose : zoolag still on tip-of-the-spear, working pretty great.

asciilifeform: metoo..

asciilifeform: trinque: orig stimulus for ffa was gossipd's rsa-in-realtime req.

asciilifeform: afterthoughts dun work so well.

asciilifeform: necessarily !

asciilifeform: funny how auth was really an afterthought in irc world

asciilifeform: and chased ~that~

asciilifeform: trinque: laugh, but i assumed znc misconfig liquishit

asciilifeform: it isnt a work of art, but it did work.

asciilifeform: phf: ^

asciilifeform: >>>>> https://archive.is/jMMqT ☟︎☟︎

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-04#1596510 ☝︎

asciilifeform: with example in, out

asciilifeform: iirc i posted a battlefield-worn one in cl

asciilifeform: i.e snippets

asciilifeform: yea, but think 'with lower case c'

asciilifeform: iirc i even posted coad

asciilifeform: e.g. 'spaces muchly less important than printables'

asciilifeform: ^ n-w lets you specify ~precedence of possible differences~

asciilifeform: !#s needleman

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760156 << why not needleman-wunsch instead ? ☝︎

asciilifeform: only men, can do it.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760185 << it is unreasonable to ask ~machine~ to enforce intellectual discipline. machine cannot do this, it's an 'ai-complete' problem. ☝︎

asciilifeform: this is not a 'brinism' but quite elementary pons asinorum

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760183 << you really ought not to touch c unless you can picture in yer head the asm , when reading it; and vice-versa ( for your particular iron ) ☝︎

asciilifeform: but it remains -- c.

asciilifeform: minimal pointerism, indirectism as a whole.

asciilifeform: !#s idiomatic

asciilifeform: i.e. consistently-formatted, using 0 'idiomaticisms' ,

asciilifeform did publish some c, at some point

asciilifeform: there is a 'non-malicious c', i suppose.

asciilifeform: there is not, however, a meaningful opposite.

asciilifeform: there is such a thing as maliciously-ugly c. i.e. what koch et al write.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760180 << i'ma confess, i have nfi what is or could be 'elegant c' ☝︎☟︎

asciilifeform: 100% crapolade.

asciilifeform: unrelated, it's an 'airport detective'

asciilifeform: 'reamde'. but there is rumour that he had 0 to do with the text, let some idjit relative pen it

asciilifeform: d00d is done.

asciilifeform: i swallowed not only 1 but 2 pieces of rubbish from post-anathem stephenson and that was enuff.

asciilifeform: fuqknows

asciilifeform: but it dun really fit in 'sound bite'.

asciilifeform: 'anathem' is many things, and one of them is a what-if-naturalphilosophy-had-happened-in-monasteries.

asciilifeform: d00d (stephenson) 'got it'. and as i understand it was his 'last hurrah', he went to shit soon after.