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BingoBoingo: Sure, but they swing between "Make Miami in Ecuador" and "Make Ecuador Miami Again"
asciilifeform: afaik ec is a miamistan exactly like the others
asciilifeform: they like the lolcat exactly where he is, i suspect.
BingoBoingo: Well, Assange taught us Ecuador can't diplo-crate
asciilifeform: for some reason i immediately picture that story where 'abrams' tank was smuggled to su in diplo-crates, piecemeal ☟︎
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ( even supposing i devise a means of teleporting one to BingoBoingostan ) << Slow boat with your workshop
asciilifeform: ( even supposing i devise a means of teleporting one to BingoBoingostan )
asciilifeform: before BingoBoingo starts to picture where he'd park a 10 m^2 SEM
asciilifeform: and i aint got 30% of the 400k they'd think it costs.
asciilifeform: i dun think they'd swallow a 'this is worth 500, rly, srsly' 'receipt' for it.
BingoBoingo: Well, fill the other half of the container with rockchip plants
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: we're talkin' half a railcar
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> prolly oughta add that surplus SEM in particular ( and similar irons ) 1) generally live in usa 2) dun exactly fit in smuggle-trunk under old shirts << If you can produce an invoice I can recieve it as a prepackaged good
asciilifeform: i still can't fucking believe that d00d. 'my experiment requires 3 litres of virgin tears' 'hey al, i took 300 virgins and ran then rom-coms until they cried 3L, here it is in a mason jar' 'but! reasons!' ☟︎
asciilifeform: ^ somewhere in the old thrds.
asciilifeform: had all the requisite backroom deals & all, but not the fist-sized benzyl xtal, so no dice.
asciilifeform: sorta how asciilifeform had 'the keys' in 2010 and had all the ducks lined up to run schwartz eotvos, and would have at least achieved some lulz if uncle al had not chickened
asciilifeform: prolly wrong approach overall, at that, really oughta find a ave1 or spyked fella with keys to adult lab somewhere.
asciilifeform: prolly oughta add that surplus SEM in particular ( and similar irons ) 1) generally live in usa 2) dun exactly fit in smuggle-trunk under old shirts ☟︎
asciilifeform: lol mircea_popescu phrases it almost as if asciilifeform were buridaning in front of a set table
asciilifeform: hard part is obv. not 'where to put SEM' lol.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you odn't like uruguay for the purpose ?
asciilifeform: from there , http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1705799 << lul for ave1's lang study ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-08-29 21:40 mircea_popescu: < kanzure> jrayhawk_: would you be willing to host a microscope? responsibilities would include keeping it plugged in and internet connected. also there would be an irc bot that controls where it looks. you'd also be pestered to load samples periodically. << did this 2014 idea ever get implemented ?
asciilifeform: the surplus units want 10 or so square metres tho, of decent climate-controlled floor.
asciilifeform: if i had the floor space, would just pick up surplus SEM, it costs approx same as ~good~ optic funnily enuff
asciilifeform had, yrs ago, access to this setup, but sadly cannot afford to re-create it in torture room, was spiffy 'zeiss' thing
asciilifeform: when using mounted slr, focus is solely in the microscope's optics
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-30#1876667 << proper slr, not soapbox , so loox on that front ☝︎
mircea_popescu: (this is not strictly about jpg. ~any~ image compressing/processing/fucking with the sensor data is dubious. even using such a thing as the camera's "soft" focus (as opposed to the lens-driven hard focus, some handhelds offer this internal processor-driven cvasi-focus) is a bad idea for this task. exact discussion of "whitening" and other such pattern-inserting nonsense from crypto)
mircea_popescu: the problem with the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-30#1876736 standard is that one can take relatively few chances. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: it may look the same to you, and to anyone else. but if it flipped over a pixel somewhere you're looking at a potential man-year to find where the fuck.
mircea_popescu: ideally both the pre-stitch and the post-stitch, and absolutely do not use jpg.
SeanRiddle: When I starting posting pics I was hosting my domain at home and the big pics would kill my access. blogspot limits the max size, so I uploaded to wikimedia. Now I'm using a real web host, so I guess I could put everything there.
mircea_popescu: SeanRiddle why the hell would you use this batshit insane process. what's wrong with linking things like sane people, off your own domain and all ?
a111: Logged on 2018-11-30 19:52 SeanRiddle: That's the lo-res pic. Wikimedia sometimes chokes on my big pics, and I have to upload smaller ones. Go down to the File History and there's a link to a 43Kx45K pixel pic.
mircea_popescu: re : http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-30#1876662 what one ends up doing is curl -k 'https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/archive/4/44/20180902023042!Oki_m6283_metal.jpg/114px-Oki_m6283_metal.jpg' > sean.jpg (note the quotes because wikipedia is made by pedos who are also retarded, and includes bashes and shit). ☝︎
mircea_popescu: but the issue isn't focus ; it simply is the frequency of the photons involved.
mircea_popescu: the idea being that there's an absolute limit to optical microscopy due to quantum phenomena (hence the heisenberg reference, his original work as critiqued by bohr dealt exactly with this). however, these limits also depend on frequency, and from comparing measurements in different lights one can get some error correction.
SeanRiddle: I haven't. Fiji can do focus stacking, but I haven't tried that yet. I've got an XY table and I rigged a stepper to the focus knob, so I could take n pics at different focus for each tile.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-28 19:28 mircea_popescu: you put in a violet source, take a pic. next you put in a green source, take a pic. next, yellow and red.
asciilifeform: sorta why one generally wants to capture 9000x moar detail than 'strictly needed'
mircea_popescu: we defo need a tree massager. this problem will reccur.
mircea_popescu: problem being that massage will prolly inform future pic taking. but anyway.
asciilifeform: once you have pics, can massage 9000 ways to heaven. but not prior.
asciilifeform: at any rate the q is answerable. (~if~ we had with what to look inside)
mircea_popescu: i will take my chances on these four deuces. "engineers", i know what this means.
asciilifeform: naturally designer gave the machine hints as to where to put what
asciilifeform: i dun find it esp. difficult to swallow, ~100% of iron since 1990 or so was made this way.
asciilifeform: hence the 'ns' threads
asciilifeform: supposedly it was 100% machine-genned (possibly the 1st such ic)
mircea_popescu: a horse that goes 90% of the way to paris still can't make any part of stagecoach to paris.
deedbot: http://bimbo.club/?p=97 << Bimbo.Club - TMSR Log Summary - 11/16/2018
asciilifeform: ideally you find the repeating patterns of transistorage and go straight to functional units ( granted this is only practical for bolix, 486, and newer, where there actually ~exist~ these units, as opposed to hand-optimized arbitrary transistorage )
mircea_popescu: yes -- nevertheless, it'd actually make fucking sense, as opposed to prayer-driven methodology.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is certainly physically possible to do it that way, but the recognition is at best O(N^2) so one'd need some rather substantial irons; and also correspondingly moar sensitive to specks of dust in photo
mircea_popescu: ie, while transistor is not natural language semantic unit, isn't it machine language semantic unit ?
asciilifeform: and ~then~ ( and this is what we have, but su reversers did not ) you load the thing into a (fairly inexpensive) fpga and try functional tests.
mircea_popescu: if you were to attempt to do ~more~ machined reversing than merely "build me netlist", wouldn't the correct approach be to a) build binary tree of transistors and b) sick tree massager on it ?
asciilifeform: rather than 'raw netlist of transistor'
asciilifeform: what one does, is to try to determine the repeating functional blocks ( adders, shifters, srams, etc )
asciilifeform: the reason why the scheme is possible to do at all, is that the transistor is not the fundamental semantic unit of the device
asciilifeform: i was about to answe this:
mircea_popescu: or w/e, the list of binary trees, admitting somehow there's unconnected islands
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform is there any difference between the netlist and a binary tree of transistors ?
mircea_popescu: the more we tal;k about this, the more it's evident what's lacking isn't MERELY x or y. we're lacking a buncha pieces here.
asciilifeform: would ideally be sumthing that doesn't blow 100 bytes on erry bit of the image like that htmlistic war crime does.
mircea_popescu: you know, if we had working svg thius would be such an eminent application for a svg scroll-through-er.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-29 19:24 asciilifeform: on other front, phf : on occasion of the most recent bolix thread , i went and looked again at the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-17#1771955 artifact ; it is interesting that they provided 128 iron types, incl. bignum, but not a 'bignum of fixed N words'. i guess in '80s ~nobody was thinking of crypto at all. ( and i was prolly unduly pessimistic to the orig finder of $item, it is prolly 95% of what's needed for cycle-accurate clone.
asciilifeform: as it is, micrography only good as 'part of balanced diet' along with http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-29#1876069 intel and the like. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: i agree it can. i also think it can result in some pretty lulzy "electrolytes that plants need".
asciilifeform: e.g. 'hey why is power connected to ground, must be a speck of skin in pic'
mircea_popescu: i hereby dub one possible end result of this process "the bugbolix plague".
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nope, gotta preprocess the thing to get a draft netlist (i.e. what's connected to what) and only then can walk the photos to search for barfolade
asciilifeform: fwiw in su they cloned ic's photographically, without any attempt to actually grasp the contents
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and for the puyrpose of fit in head, do you agree 2.4k pics with margins better than 600mb flatpile ?
asciilifeform: there is no escape from this.
asciilifeform: exactly like trb.
asciilifeform: can only rule this out once 'fit in head' yes
mircea_popescu: (this so neatly mirrors ye trb/prb discussions it bleeds)
mircea_popescu: maybe you end up with bugbolix machine, accurate to the collection of userland software bugs.
asciilifeform: all that presently exists in the wild is 1) small number of actual 'ivory' machines/cards, where could put cloned ic 2) the software/os stack
mircea_popescu: but i mean... you don't even have the spec against which to check this "works" ?
asciilifeform: ( i.e. you don't, not till you actually bake a working and satisfying cloned circuit )
mircea_popescu: how do you know when they're done ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they do sit with needle. but only ~after~, to correct obvious oopses in ocr.
asciilifeform: ( esp. considering that the transistors were placed by machine to begin with, so they aint in any human-comprehensible order like they are on z80 or 6502 etc )
mircea_popescu: is the idea to do machined reversing ?
asciilifeform: really this thing oughta be saved for proper SEM . but currently notenuff dough for this pleasure.
mircea_popescu: people only look in one spot at a time anyway
mircea_popescu: i dunno, maybe i'm just not grasping something fundamental. but it seems to me that for reversing work, 2400 pics with margins beats a 600mb monstrosity.
asciilifeform: ( sorta like how traditional flatbed scanner worx )
mircea_popescu: (which gimp does ok, but then again needs the ram)
asciilifeform: in pro shops, they use microscope with stepper motor
a111: Logged on 2018-11-30 19:55 asciilifeform tries to find sumthing that'll display that thing without choking
a111: Logged on 2018-11-30 19:58 SeanRiddle: Yeah, that was something like 39x60 pics stitched
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-30#1876669 << wouldn't it be easier to just present them separate ? not like people can't cat at home. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-11-30 19:50 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: was this the http://www.loper-os.org/pub/mp.gif thing ?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-30#1876659 << nah, this is re http://mocky.org/Foxybot-Enhancements-Part-18-Build-35-Release/ ☝︎
mircea_popescu: you know, i think he actually has a point ?