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mircea_popescu: it just has
to be a controversy between actual people.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in fairness,
there's a lot of value
to
teaching
the controversy.
assbot: Logged on 12-09-2014 16:47:19; asciilifeform: because suddenly,
there is (or you
think
there is) a debate. with 'sides.'
assbot: Logged on 12-09-2014 16:47:05; asciilifeform: once you've been 'taught
the controversy' -
that is, convincing
that
there -even is- reasonable debate among informed people, on a particular subject -
the lie becomes a kind of half-truth, automagically
nubbins`: and by
the
time i explain why
this is better, i've got an 800mb merged.pdf waiting for me
nubbins`: yeah, but you gotta do it one at a
time
that way
nubbins`: o.O osx comes with a python script
that merges pdf files
mircea_popescu: i propose in
this case "not participation" is punching some blind
twerp right in
the face.
nubbins`: but with debian dead, where do i
turn
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2014 19:19:31; asciilifeform: 'Learn not
to participate -
to
the point of utter impossibility of meeting
the enemy 'half-way' - and you will see
that inside
there lay a very useful mindfuck: in learning
to 'nonparticipate,' in fact you drew out your *will* from its scabbard -
to which it seemed so securely riveted by your upbringing.
The appearance of *your will* changes everything and forever. With your own will slipped into your
mircea_popescu: when some kid is annoying you don't pick up and leave, you punch him in
the nose.
decimation: redhat is going down
the same
tube, in
the long run
mircea_popescu: except
this'd be
th every definition of not being people. if
they were people
they'd do something else for a living.
mircea_popescu: "have some empathy for
the people who want
to
take a shit on
the collected effort of
the people you happen
to respect!
they're people
too!"
decimation: 'we voted and
this is
the best course of action'
mircea_popescu: i mean,
the "other speeds more important
to us"
thing is nowhere near.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform have you ever seen something
this idiotic ?
thestringpuller: sometimes
the ravings of a madman is wisdom, other
times just noise.
mats_cd03: gotta loosen up on
the mad ravings my good man
mats_cd03: poor guy. cut outta
the fold after bein' a regular for... what was it, a year plus?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah well, at some point im gotta have
to insult some unfortunate bystanding
trashbag or something, or else collapse into A = A circularity.
mircea_popescu: someone should make a bitbet about it, i'd
throw a few cents.
mircea_popescu: anyway, seems
to me clear
teh usg-debian believes it got
the votes
mircea_popescu: five fucking centuries of european intellectual heritate, which is
the exactly ONLY reason
the US even exists in
the first place, down
the drain. "We wanna be africans now. Hold hands."
mircea_popescu: and
then driveby's have
the unmitigated audacity
to discuss #b-a cult-ness. how do you like
that!
mircea_popescu: the point of discussion is not
to discover
the wrong alternatives, or
the right alternatives.
mircea_popescu: There isn't a right answer. As Russ has explained a number of
times in
the
TC, on debian-vote and on his blog,
this is about
tradeoffs. I'm sure some people will be happy if
the project's values are aligned with
theirs. When
they
take
that as far as saying
the project made
the "right decision" or rejected "bad options,"
they are not valuing
the contributions of
those who disagreed with
them.
mircea_popescu: no but srsly,
that letter is an exact summary of everything
that's wrong with
the english language space.
mircea_popescu: there's nothing
to save here. just burn
the entire stack where it stands an'
that's
that.
mircea_popescu: fuckign
to-feeling arguments in
THE MOTHERFUCKING DEBIAN LISTS.
decimation: mircea_popescu:
the simplest answer is probably because usg is full of hartmans and gmaxwells
mircea_popescu: im completely unclear as
to why
the fuck usg wants
the "one computer system" so badly anyway.
decimation: in fact one of
the supposed prime 'benefits' of redhat enterprise is
that it can 'hook up
to' a windows active directory server which acts as an ldap/krb
ticket server
decimation: it's still a nightmare
to deploy
to
this day, for sure
mircea_popescu: then a few years later windows migrated
to "kerberos" as its primary security protocol
mircea_popescu: the gutted
thing was reimplemented by some nordic country university
mircea_popescu: decimation kerberos was developed by mit in
the 80s. a gutted export version was created. as
the usg was going
to (again) change its export restriction in 2000,
mircea_popescu: perhaps an instructive case study as
to how usg protocol confiscation works in
the field.
mircea_popescu: i dunno if i'm
the only one privy
to
the history of
that protocol ?
decimation: I don't
think any future historian will fail
to notice
the parallels between
this and usg's way of doing business
mircea_popescu: but
to also steal
the farmer's "having being stolen from"
mircea_popescu: this is
the ultimate
theft,
these people are
trying
to introduce into
the world.
they wish
to steal not merely
the farmer's cow,
mircea_popescu: "oh, so you want
to wear pants ? fuck you, you're wearing a skirt.
mircea_popescu: considered even when we end up strongly disagreeing with
them or valuing
mircea_popescu: reassure
them
that
they are valued and respected and
their concerns
mircea_popescu: "I'm hoping
that we can all
take a few minutes
to gain empathy for
those who disagree with us." << derping about "empathy" -> straight
to
the uranium mines.
decimation: yeah, if anything
this is a loud bell ringing
to anyone 'sane': "these people are crazy, now's
the
time
to exit!"
mircea_popescu: who wants
to work in an environment of "compassion" ? what are
these people, retards ?
mircea_popescu: "Today, now, before
the results are announced, we have an opportunity
to extend compassion and empathy and remind ourselves of
the spirit in which we'd like
to work
together." << lmao fuck
that.
mircea_popescu: decimation one of
the most interesting aspects of systemd is
the irrationality of
the proponents. it's almost as if you're discussing
theology with
the flat earth society or geophysics with
the global warming cult of washington dc.
mircea_popescu: even in
terms of... not... pouring gasoline on own head and lighting it.
twice.
decimation: sure, in
terms of
trade, production, etc
mircea_popescu: by practical standards,
the us did really well in
the 20th century.
mircea_popescu: if
those are your
two choices, who do you vote most likely
to succeed ?
mircea_popescu: decimation let's be fair here : you're a freshman,
there's 12 kids in senior year. eleven strip naked, pour gasoline over each other and set
themselves ablaze.
the 12th puts
them out by running into
them backwards
then continues
to run backwards into
things for a week or so, until he's finally comatose and just spazzes quietly on
the ground.
decimation: this is one reason why usg is still fdr's usg (that and
the fact
that
they and
their friends razed
the world in wwii)
decimation: in 'public life',
they were immediately schooled by fdr's sycophants who were exiting power at
the
time
decimation: obama is
their wet dream, in
the sense
that
they have finally overturned (superficiality) "the man's" institutions
decimation: mircea_popescu: perhaps I'm wrong, but in
the us
there is a context of
the 'hippie boomer' generation who are all 'retiring' now
decimation: yeah Obama is pretty much
the peak achievement of
that 'movement', I don't see much more upside for
them