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Azelphur: (11:24:09) moriarty: there's also ##econometrics given your interest in cryptocurrencies
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: can we have /mode +b *!*@unaffiliated/moriarty please, all he does is join here to pm spam and then leave :P
adlai: can't a man lurk these days
assbot: Stevie Wonder Is Not Blind: The Truthers' Case ... ( http://bit.ly/1qUfjes )
danielpbarron: i guess people will be cold this winter
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mats_cd03 bangs head on table
mats_cd03: a dummy didn't include a tx fee, now funds are in limbo
mats_cd03: hes a funny guy. i made seven figures this year! etc.
Azelphur: this channel really needs more than 2 ops XD
Azelphur: and for bonus points he's now joining other channels to harass me :P
Vexual: she stole some crayons and stuff and the otto was a resounding success for year sto come
Vexual: here, have a lotto ticket
Vexual: talk about horse pulling the wagon
Vexual: back when i was a kid, if you wanted a virtual office you had to convince someone to do it
Vexual: schoolar ships is the hard way now?
mircea_popescu: https://github.com/http2/http2-spec/wiki/DosVectors << incidentally, what do we think of http/2 ?
cascadian_derper returns to babe and malbec
cascadian_derper: anyways, a question for the chan: "what disqualifies 053 and what criteria should be used to pick an 'angry' bitcoin?"
cascadian_derper: ascii picked that rev for patching not i
assbot: Logged on 21-11-2014 01:38:58; mircea_popescu: well anyway : two trains moving on the same track leave simultaneously 29 miles apart, one doing 5mph the other 7mp. a fly caugh between them flies straight until it reaches a train then turns back and recurses, doing 9mph.
asciilifeform: (for those who missed the relevant thread: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-11-2014#930274 ) ☝︎
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asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu i was reading a circa-1958 issue of american magazine 'popular science', and guess what was in it - http://imgur.com/mZnf775 ☟︎
asciilifeform: attached, that is.
asciilifeform: there is always an escape, even if you have to chew own leg off.
decimation: and it's another to do so without any imagining the possibility of an alternative
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla it's one thing to live in mud, it's another thing to live in excrement.
assbot: Logged on 23-11-2014 04:53:31; asciilifeform: quite possibly this is ideal scenario. a hardfork that sane folks on the whole planet would immediately flee to.
asciilifeform: can at least upgrade to sucking with disgust, rather than unwittingly, or worse, eagerly
kakobrekla: we do it anyway, lets not pretend on top.
kakobrekla: and if it did, what is one going to do about it. (my take is: nothing, continue to suck cock)
mircea_popescu: we (tm) don't think so, but we (tm) would very much like this cultish belief verified independently and scientifically.
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu no the question was did someone abuse the britneychain ☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: no that wasnt the question << i guess time will tell no ?
decimation: this too could be implemented with crypto-wot routers
mircea_popescu: Vexual: remember, this lady prolly get free handbags and parties << not in romania, not really. she gets free $5 drinks. which... you know.
decimation: really, what the existing internet fails at is a decent multicast model
mircea_popescu: for the reason.
decimation: tcp pretends that doesn't exist
mircea_popescu: if the average per-kb page of internet communication were one gallon of gasoline, i wouldn't have to explain to idiots why i don't want to see "webcasts" and why im in irc.
asciilifeform: everything in future will work - or not - depending on how readily it cuts through swaths of orcs.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it was five cents a minute yo! at the time a minute meant one page, or a gallon of gasoline.
decimation: now the costs are different
decimation: well, in elder days when the internet wasn't full of orcs it kinda seemed ok
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the excess packets - cheap. the ddosyness - no.
mircea_popescu: "deliver all the mail locally, cheaper calls"
mircea_popescu: think about that. think about the early days of bbs, which is how routing fucking got invented in the first placer
mircea_popescu: decimation it's not retarded if you think of how fucking cheap it is.
decimation: it violates the principle of "the highest protocol layer ought to control" (end-to-end argument)
decimation: tcp really is pretty retarded if you think about
asciilifeform: decimation: one can use error-coding to get around lost and re-ordered packets.
decimation: I think mr. yarvin pointed to some internet elder figure who was hawking this idea (also urbit)
asciilifeform: decimation: in point of fact, you can get by without either tcp or the proverbial 'bad reimplementation' of it
decimation: why bother with the illusion of a private point-to-point connection if you can deploy a nice global namespace
mircea_popescu: undata i recall this.
undata: asciilifeform: the crude idea I had previously was just trying to jam a WoT into the blockchain
decimation: asciilifeform: I'm not sure you really need tcp at all if you have a crypto-wot
mircea_popescu: 2. Stepped in a majority of the holes, landmines and caltrops available.
mircea_popescu: 1. Not produced one single brilliant solution to any actual problem.
mircea_popescu: "I'm not sure this is getting through the fog of their own farts, but the group of power rangers has so far:
undata: asciilifeform: you're about a mile over my head, but the n-axis WoT idea has had my brain churning since hearing about it
asciilifeform: wasn't talking about that, though.
mircea_popescu: that they went all "o you dudes are like power rangers"!!!
mircea_popescu: the gushing hordes on reddit were so very impressed with how the idiots in question "fixed" the problem (through leveraging a 50%+1 attack against the blockchain, thourgh meanwhile discredited bircoin mining pools)
undata: asciilifeform: where's your kyristor post? I want to re-read it.
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03: what is the origin of this 'power rangers' nick? << hours after the fork gavin & hearn brought upon the network through their alleged ineptitude (which allegation i don't credit, it was deliberate)
asciilifeform: i'm going to confess now that i implemented this...
mircea_popescu: ie, "are or are you not reachable through some node somewhere that doesn't think you're a total waste of biological matter."
mircea_popescu: it WOULD give the old re-routability properties of the web a lot of value again.
mircea_popescu: only if every router out there actually implements this scheduling
asciilifeform: back to syn packets, signed breath-of-life neatly licks ddos.
undata: use flags are a bit of a blunt instrument, but they work
mircea_popescu: this is actually true huh
undata: as long as the maintainer bothered, and the package is configurable
undata: portage does a pretty good job of that
mircea_popescu: right. but follow through = exactly what you'd expect, if redmond ran things.
mircea_popescu: the fucking networking widget should instal and run without netbase, and do everything including populate the fucking fields and drawing the graphs.
asciilifeform: this is not high science, it was the original intent of the lowly gnu autoconf, even.
mircea_popescu: "your program must work whether any or all the dependencies exist on the syste"
mircea_popescu: there must also somehow be added in there a "no dependencies" rule, somehow.
undata hopes to see any of the things asciilifeform has described someday
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in any case, my original change to github and generally the mangement of open source codebase of "add a read by X" field is not actually enough.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is why, in my unofficial wonderland, you can't even open a socket without transmitting an rsa-signed a 'this is me, and my wot' breath of life packet. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: just like there's no punishment for the anon derp hiding behind "contributed a patch to openssh"
mircea_popescu: because there is no punishment for the anon derp hiding behind "From: cve-assign () mitre org"
mircea_popescu: right, those same resources that are drained away with crafted bullshit like this, a million different places.
mircea_popescu: and so you know, to quote pankkake, "So, we'll see if the end-users actually want to commit resources on not using systemd."
mircea_popescu: and you know, talk abut "do-ocracy". the fake do-ocracy of they firing out syn packets and then closing the socket.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile the attackers can just keep right on firing packets
mircea_popescu: and the usg wins anwyay, for the exact reason spam works : those five people were tied up for the five minutes they took to write and the however many it took them to consider all the angles.
mircea_popescu: then 5 different names have to waste the time out of their day, come in and say yo fuckwits!
mircea_popescu: http://seclists.org/oss-sec/2014/q4/595 << meanwhile mitre (which is very much a usg-thing) is coming out with a "you know they don't really need to work because they're special kids".
mircea_popescu: such bright future with the bright kids the fucktarded "progressive" generation spawned. they've tried and therefore nobody should criticize them! touch the screen now! Change the world! revolutionize the tubes! 2.0!
mircea_popescu: in five years people will be asking me why they can't load qntra and instead of pointing to braindamaged "code is poetry" wordpress version 1-4, i'll point at braindamaged "code is poetry" wordpress versions 1-28, AND at systemd "hey, you can talk directly to the dns resolver, because it's on a fixed port, and the legit server can't even race you because it is standards compliant and waits while you rape the stack.
mircea_popescu: why not just put it in journal binary files with the core dumps!!1
kakobrekla: are you going to ignore everything after 252450
mircea_popescu: later in that thread, "(This systemd component is optional, I strongly recommend not to ship it. It's not even possible right now to dump the cache contents to debug such issues.)"
Vexual: did you see that snl bit?
mircea_popescu: holy shit is there something that's done right in systemd?