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asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the solution to that doesn't look like 'robot who writes and explains X'. it looks like 'x, what x, we don't need any such x'
a111: Logged on 2018-12-05 13:46 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-05#1878449 << wouldntcha rather use mechanical compilers than meat , if you could ?
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-05#1878457 << i would dearly love a compiler i could tell "please figure out how we X and write a one-pager for review", but this stinks of sv aiwilldoeverythingism ☝︎
asciilifeform: upstack: 'software stays wrote once written' was pretty much universal before web crapola. (e.g. nintendo games from 1980s, still run today same as when published)
asciilifeform: there's prolly ~some~ awareness that d00d presided over the last days of 'vhs usa'
mircea_popescu: what, they like him now ?
asciilifeform recalls a d00d who made a meagre living reading old pdp tapes for usg.nasa
asciilifeform: i suppose this is after rats eat the last crapple 'quadra'
mircea_popescu: no, it's not. "today i tried to boot my bolix, had to re-write apple bus"
a111: Logged on 2018-12-05 06:36 ben_vulpes: that postgres can build an index concurrently under load was pretty valuable just today, and nobody over here had to write it.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-05#1878451 << this is elementarily troo of all soft, neh -- 'today i booted a dos box and i didn't have to write dos!' ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-05 06:32 ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-04#1878282 << still quite a bit of value in sqlthings in managing fungible programmers. in the same way that common lisp fails at making cogs, mmmapped custom $whatever can be marvelously conservative of time and space, fit entirely in head, and also be anti-cog.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-05#1878449 << wouldntcha rather use mechanical compilers than meat , if you could ? ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-05 06:36 ben_vulpes: that postgres can build an index concurrently under load was pretty valuable just today, and nobody over here had to write it.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-05#1878451 << mysql also does this, and i recall the history too (anyone remember digg being out for a coupla days because morons hit the max count of db entries, re-defined table to use larger ints, and had to ~rebuild the index offline~ for 30+ hours ?) ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-03 17:21 BingoBoingo: And the datacenter just sent the statement of account showing receipt of the wires
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes he said yest they cleared, to save you the work : http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-03#1878002 ☝︎
mircea_popescu: break customer nrCgvFMWCqpO's october payment << this is so cool.
ben_vulpes: that postgres can build an index concurrently under load was pretty valuable just today, and nobody over here had to write it. ☟︎☟︎
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-04#1878282 << still quite a bit of value in sqlthings in managing fungible programmers. in the same way that common lisp fails at making cogs, mmmapped custom $whatever can be marvelously conservative of time and space, fit entirely in head, and also be anti-cog. ☝︎☟︎
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: please also stand up a postgres somewhere convenient for me to import and continue to work on this spreadsheet; this is ready for you to do your own data entry on fiat/btc incoming/outgoing
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: logs suggest we have 2 outstanding wires; i don't suppose either have cleared yet, have they?
ben_vulpes: write the calculator of change in customer equity account for a given month (which is the biggest manual backbreaker); after that i will do depreciation on the tangibles by hand, update assets and liabilities tables.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: data entry of btc transactions and usd transactions is complete; data entry for prepaid customers and monthly paying customers is quite nearly so. BingoBoingo: please dig through notes and break customer nrCgvFMWCqpO's october payment into one for the rockchip and another for the shell. since they have different time horizons, they need separate subscriptions. asciilifeform: next thing i do is
mircea_popescu: nah. they don't even really have vespas here. just shitty toyotas
a111: Logged on 2018-12-05 02:16 mircea_popescu: lobbes i see no problem whatsoever with rssbot taking over eulora.
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-05#1878419 << roger that. spyked: if you're cool with taking over #eulora rss let me know and we can work out a transition ☝︎☟︎
asciilifeform: i suspect that cr is a++ zundapp country
a111: Logged on 2017-09-02 21:26 mircea_popescu: now this man... he had a set of 9V lightbulbs. and so as any good respectable citizen i sat down with the dead man's dragon pile, to TEST everythiung I got. yes ?
mircea_popescu: scholar-pre-gap : "so what if rat ate cable, trivial to replace" ; custodian : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-02#1710182 ; scholar-post-gap : "holy shit wtf!!" ☝︎
asciilifeform: phf, mircea_popescu : whether orig src/ns masks/etc lost or not, i dun expect ever to ~see~'em. hence 'reverse with available iron' being the only approach that has chance of working.
mircea_popescu: it's also precisely how tech gets lost.
a111: Logged on 2018-12-05 02:24 phf: the hypothesis though is not "they lost everything", it's rather that they all have a handful of what they were told were gold chests by people who can actually recognize gold. when poking at contents stuff seems vaguely gold like, so they hold to it hoping to cash it in, never really "having time" to go to an appraiser.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-05#1878425 << tbh i find this rather persuasive. ☝︎
phf: i concede that there might be a faint within a faint, but i can't Munchhausen my way out of that one: i kind of have to assume that my perception of reality somewhat corresponds to reality, rather than a bunch of people playing elaborate games with me
a111: Logged on 2018-11-16 22:50 asciilifeform: there's also the 'is it really ~the~ tapes' aspect. as in the old thing with the gold bars that nobody wants to drill for tungsten. consider for instance how nikola tesla was able to live in the waldorf for years, with the loan collateral being a trunk containing 'great invention of much dangerous power'. when died, turned out to contain a whetstone bridge.
phf: it's possible that one of those boxes actually have gold in it, but the handful that i opened had _mostly_ garbage
phf: the hypothesis though is not "they lost everything", it's rather that they all have a handful of what they were told were gold chests by people who can actually recognize gold. when poking at contents stuff seems vaguely gold like, so they hold to it hoping to cash it in, never really "having time" to go to an appraiser. ☟︎
asciilifeform: it's documented (aside from the gibblets seen in the logs) exactly nowhere.
asciilifeform: phf: the 'understanding of the arch' is the sticking point
phf: you have hobbyists building emulators with much less to go by
phf: asciilifeform: a lot of things happened since 98 though, that predates a couple of particularly gnaly fire sales. also alpha based emulation is "easy" to do from first principles for an experienced symbolics professional, you need an instruction list, some understanding of the architecture and a the sources for the os.
mircea_popescu: lobbes i see no problem whatsoever with rssbot taking over eulora. ☟︎
asciilifeform: phf: at the risk of repeating , i dun really buy the 'they lost errything' hypothesis. e.g. as late as '98, the docs req'd to bake the alpha-based emulator, evidently existed
asciilifeform: 'if piano falls, yer $100k box has a chance', i suppose the thinking went
asciilifeform: always looked for , but never found, pc chassis like that.
asciilifeform: i like how they used to make workstation case from 5mm steel
phf: i was thinking though of moving it out of the ridiculous steel enclosure, that might make it a touch more transportable
phf: nah, left it at the office. at least there's enough wiring in place to do remote x11 (though i haven't tried yet, have people in place to flip switches, but not necessarily to reseat the boards)
asciilifeform: phf: did you actually pack that xl ?! thing weighs, what, 50kg?
asciilifeform: they're 'portable', yes, in the sense that there's no particular need to transport the crapple 'quadra', can always get from junkyard on-site
phf: i regret not buying a macivory at discount when i had a chance, it also would've been easy to take to russia with me
asciilifeform: ( whereas i'm pretty sure that i have datashit for erry single item on ivory3 board other than the cpu itself )
phf: re dks and fpga, i'm also not sure that he has enough data, or if he even knows if he has enough, or if the "master" in question has enough. i'm starting to suspect that the reason nothing's moving forward is because it's an intellectual bezel, a cat that's alive only until observed
asciilifeform: ( and even if not, coupla dozen times moar GALs and misc. period exotica )
asciilifeform: which multiplies the cost of the effort to the point of utter riotousness
asciilifeform: pretty sure there's custom bolix ic other than ivory in xl
phf: asciilifeform: ah ty, i was mostly making a "bright side" argument, since we do have an xl1201
asciilifeform: how to reset board, throw in boot rom ( it dun have own rom ) , start/stop cpu , peek/poke, etc
asciilifeform: phf: re adhoc protocol, it's laid out pretty well, surprisingly, in genera/distribution/sys/embedding/macivory/interface-support ( on the magic iso )
a111: Logged on 2018-10-19 01:04 asciilifeform: amberglint: when i went to his house 10y ago, offered to him to make fpga-ized 'ivory' , 'pro bono', if he'd only cough up with what. answr was approx 'can't , unless my master permits, and he wouldn't'
phf: heh, i like that last analogy
asciilifeform: ( but i'll stop with the analogy before i ruin errybody's appetite )
asciilifeform: it was like trying to buy cocacola recipe from coke vending machine.
asciilifeform: 'you can get all the sandwich you brought the green for, but 0 recipe'
asciilifeform: i have vaguely positive memory of the fella, minus the part where he answr'd 100% of asciilifeform's attempts to buy sumthing moar than iron, in same way as mcdonalds clerk might react to attempt to buy the mcdonalds
phf: it's more of a mental rolodex of 5 guys who are not in their 70s who are or were actively working with anything at all symbolics. he also knows the ones in their 70s, but those, except for reiner joswig, rarely come up, since they are, at this point, the kind of people who boot their symbolics, if they still have one, once in 5 years to remember the glory days
asciilifeform: tho i suppose could also be cuz asciilifeform successfully persuaded the salt mine he toiled in at the time, to buy alpha+genera, paying dks's rent for month or 2
asciilifeform: phf: funnily enuff, i did the gnarl of the bus already, during (aborted) proj for dks where he asked 'make me a replacement crapple mem expander board for nubus'
phf: re ivory i think we had a thread about macivory being much easier to reverse, since it's all isolated, but you will still have to spend time (re?)learning the gnarly details of apple bus, and whatever adhoc protocol is used to communicate with host. going by an xl might not be a worse option
phf: it's all about that escape velocity
phf: signing the lease today
phf: also i'm alive and on the other end, will soon return to regular scheduled programming
lobbesbot: phf: Sent 8 hours and 40 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> i am considering to actually buy the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-03#1877988 artifact ; cuz i've come to the conclusion that http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-28#1875722 experiment pretty much requires access to a working unit. otherwise asciilifeform risks a repeat of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-11#1624964 nonsense
lobbesbot: phf: Sent 6 days, 6 hours, and 6 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> turns out i was wrong re the rom, the rom-shaped object is actually a 1980s 'programmable event timer' thingie, am2971adc
lobbesbot: phf: Sent 6 days, 6 hours, and 9 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> i did finally turn up a high-res (enuff to read the ic labels) shot of ivory2; http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ivory2.jpg << mirrored.
lobbes: unrelatedly mircea_popescu do you care if spyked's rss bot takes over in #eulora? lobbesbot's RSS-tron has always been buggy and is 100% heathen atm. Imo makes sense to just transition to spyked if he is okay with it
a111: Logged on 2018-09-17 19:38 mircea_popescu: trinque tbh i was thinking of revising the voice model altogether, in favour of a voice-or-kick model.
a111: Logged on 2018-12-04 20:36 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-03#1878081 << which new voice model is this then ?
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-04#1878323 << y'know, the thread link was in the line you quoted :D. but anyways, here's the top of that thread >> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-17#1850999 ☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-04 20:35 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-03#1878058 << what i thought also.
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-04#1878321 << ftr this was indeed an adacore gnat >=2017 (see thread), though I'm not sure about the libc. ☝︎
mod6: hanbot: glad to hear you're on the mend.
mircea_popescu: worse performance than 1018.
a111: Logged on 2018-12-04 00:35 asciilifeform: lol terrifyingly rotten ocr
asciilifeform: not an alt-pantsuit alt-stockholm to give'im an obummernobel
mircea_popescu: who's left in the reich that can write ?
asciilifeform: convenient, that there aint a solzhenitsin writing a 'gitmo archipelag'
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, in 1990's Merkel hadn't flooded the EU yet with Petrus-kin
asciilifeform: ( iirc in 1990s ru actually suggested this biz model to eu, but for some mysterious reason the latter balked )
asciilifeform: 'The prison won’t have to measure up to Danish standards either. “I’m sure they [the criminals] would rather serve in a Danish prison, but there needs to be room for many others,” Preben Bang Henriksen, the spokesperson for Venstre party on judicial issues, told DR Nyheder.' << mega-outsource biz idea!11
asciilifeform: 'Negotiations ongoing regarding outsourcing to prison in Lithuania' << bahahaha loox like the nato gulag in ro must be full nao
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/12/denmark-working-hard-to-move-criminal-migrants-out-of-denmark/ << Qntra -- Denmark Working Hard To Move Criminal Migrants Out Of Denmark
asciilifeform: ( oblig vintage trilema : http://trilema.com/2013/me-aged-5/ )
asciilifeform not terribly astonished that museum doesn't bother to reply to 'hey whydontcha lemme borrow your kohinoor diamond for a spell'
asciilifeform: over the yrs, i've written to a number of folx who have the thing, some 'collectors' , some 'museums' that keep the thing under glass and away from the gold recycling people. but 0 replies. ( tbf, wot problem, they can't readily distinguish asciilifeform from gold recyclers etc )
a111: Logged on 2018-12-04 17:34 asciilifeform: currently i see the chance that somebody will lend asciilifeform a unit for 'hey lemme pull and waltz the GALs and i'ma give it back to you, will try not to zap it' as pretty slim.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-04#1878296 << i don't expect that's gonna happen. ☝︎
asciilifeform: aha, writing files / db queries really can be seen as elaborate ritual where you sacrifice to moloch and beg the iron to prettypleeez not lose yer bits when cord pulled
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-04#1878282 << from prime principles this view is quite defensible. ☝︎