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asciilifeform: rm -rf the dir and re-press
asciilifeform: from last time
asciilifeform: didja clean up ?
asciilifeform: taxdude (92734888@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.146.115.72.136) has joined #trilema << lolwat.
asciilifeform bbl
asciilifeform: if you dont know how to magick a gentoo gcc-gnat, use adacore's
asciilifeform: you have a bodged install loox like
asciilifeform: ahahahahah
asciilifeform: gnat --version
asciilifeform: and which gnat
asciilifeform: and your complete dir structure and contents
asciilifeform: show how you vpressed
asciilifeform: lemme guess, yer on a crapple ??
asciilifeform: esthlos: there are no libraries
asciilifeform bbl,meat
asciilifeform: the only data-dependent branches are in ffa_calc , the calculator.
asciilifeform: ffa is possibly one of the few nontrivial proggies where you can actually do this. because there are no data-dependent branches (aside from the 'data' which is the bitness you run under -- this determines the loopness of the loops)
asciilifeform: if one is satisfied with the nonoverflowability of the array refs , under all possible inputs , it is possible to yank'em. and get order-of-magnitude speedup. ☟︎
asciilifeform: btw i prolly oughta have mentioned, the timing figures (not only in ch6, but all posted to date) presume that ~all~ bounds-checks remain enabled. ☟︎
asciilifeform: as of ch6, i mean.
asciilifeform: libffa ( the actual arithmetism ) is cumulatively ~1900 loc, (80col!11) inclusive of whitespace , banners, and commentolade ; ffacalc apparatus another ~900, ditto. ☟︎
asciilifeform: we're approx. at level of a ( much cleaner ) circa- june 2017 ffa nao.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-08-22#1247807 << how-to. ☝︎
asciilifeform: ( then can dispose of gpg for this, entirely ! )
asciilifeform: btw if somebody wants to write a py or pl scriptoid that'll generate the gpg-matching 1ffffff...blah turdoid for a given file , he will get honourable-mention in the next chapter. ☟︎
asciilifeform: the patch is against classical ( mircea_popescuine ) 1.4.10 .
asciilifeform: shinohai: you can't use gpg2 for this. nor stock gpg1
asciilifeform: with the 1FFFFF......FFFFFFFblahblah
asciilifeform: the nonsensical padding scheme used by rfc2440/4880/koch is on display , incidentally
asciilifeform: nifty, ty mircea_popescu . possibly some of the new blood will finally do a job
asciilifeform: pretty curious how this one will look on various iron.
asciilifeform: nitpicks/replications/timing data invited.
asciilifeform: yay
asciilifeform: naturally koch methodically omitted it
asciilifeform: blew most of an hr looking for that dumper ('gotta be in there...')
asciilifeform: updated.
asciilifeform: good point, i'ma link'em:
asciilifeform: if the good doktor writes in and asks, i'ma add a t.
asciilifeform has nfi
asciilifeform: ( at one time errybody either read or pretended to have read... )
asciilifeform: errybody either has seen , or pretends to have seen, aocp.
asciilifeform: i dun think anyone will wonder 'what's aocp'
asciilifeform: odd, cuz asciilifeform got a distinct feeling that he had made a pudding of it. but happy that mircea_popescu found it edible.
asciilifeform: pehbot updated.
asciilifeform: this one contains a candy.
asciilifeform: closedform rsa, folx!111
asciilifeform: !~later tell phf plox to snarf ch6 , ty
asciilifeform: ^ replications invited.
asciilifeform: ACHTUNG, PANZERS! ^
asciilifeform: and nao:
asciilifeform: grr annoying.
asciilifeform: --debug-all dun do it.
asciilifeform: hey mircea_popescu , do you remember whether gpg 1.4 ( virginal ) can be forced to dump hashpayload when verifying sigs ?
asciilifeform wrapping up ch6 , only tuned in with 1 eye currently
asciilifeform: well cthulhu did, manner of speaking, fuck the plushies to shreds, and repeatedly. but this happens to ~erryone.
asciilifeform: and the squirrels know?
asciilifeform: y'mean printer is safe!?11111
asciilifeform: now how would i even begin to answer that.
asciilifeform: it's why i work with mircea_popescu and not goatfuckistan academy of sciences.
asciilifeform: butlol, i ~like~ this about mircea_popescu .
asciilifeform: apparently.
asciilifeform: hm i dun have it either
asciilifeform: PeterL: you may find http://btcbase.org/log/2015-04-28#1114226 interesting ( 1 of the early 'how we ended up with v' threads ) ☝︎
asciilifeform: possibly one of the contemporary calcs with 'basic' ( e.g. http://calculators.torensma.net/files/images/sharp_el-5400.jpg )
asciilifeform: there were several models with this shape, for different professions ( the one for accountants is still sold , even )
asciilifeform: http://www.thimet.de/CalcCollection/Calculators/HP-16C/HP-16C-M.JPG << subj
asciilifeform: the one with bin/hex/octal buttons
asciilifeform: i have one here, 16c
asciilifeform: PeterL: hp16 series ?
asciilifeform: this was possible partly because 'hands were stronger then' but partly because the proggies were SMALL.
asciilifeform: i still have one with little games for c64, written as peek/pokes...
asciilifeform: PeterL: didja ever have 1980s b00kz, magazines, with proggies in'em ? asciilifeform did. and learned more from retyping them, than ever learned at uni
asciilifeform: and will cut&paste and lie to selves re having 'rewritten'.
asciilifeform: and the other caveat - if a patch is 500kB, 1) no one will in actuality read it 2) people will lie to themselves and each other re having 'read'.
asciilifeform: and 5th if you count the paper.
asciilifeform: for instance as we speak nao , asciilifeform is rewriting OWN proggy, for the 4th time. line by line.
asciilifeform: what i'm not convinced of is that the current crop of hands is up to the job. as in http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-02#1762384 . ☝︎
asciilifeform: i'm not even convinced that mircea_popescu is wrong to demand that everyone who wants to use a patch with own universe, oughta rewrite it, painfully with own hands.
asciilifeform: the onus is on YOU, to READ every single fucking line.
asciilifeform: there is not a mechanical substitute for own brain.
asciilifeform: if you are 'taking random' somethings from somewhere and 'sticking them' blindly somewhere else, the error is YOU
asciilifeform: PeterL: why dontcha wait until trinque writes his modified vtron, and see what this looks like with own eyes. because for each line of this unproductive thread that we write, mircea_popescu will take an extra gulp of rum, and i suspect that it is not good for his digestion.
asciilifeform: PeterL: the result is that the only way for PeterL to use something asciilifeform wrote, is to turn his house into an exact duplicate of asciilifeform's; or alternatively to cut-and-paste, eulora-mpi-style, destroying all record of the copied item's history. but i already said this. try reading log ?
asciilifeform: consider piano. is it necessarily broken, because when a cat walks on the keys, what comes out is not music ?
asciilifeform: nope.
asciilifeform: PeterL: so to find how it is broken, you will have to ask the folx who believe that it is broken, when they wake up. or at the very least, to read the log.
asciilifeform: PeterL: i dun particularly want anything ; i'm quite happy (aside from the can't-move-text-or-rename-files nonsense) with the way classical v works.
asciilifeform: PeterL: as the original ( and afaik to date the only ) perpetrator of this particular warcrime ( the shiva item specifically ) i will say , imho the solution is to Not Do That . rather than to try to make it mechanically impossible. but i'ma not repeat this point further, it dun help .
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/gDphe << meanwhile, in other noose, '...impact on CPU usage of one of our back-end services after a host was patched to address the Meltdown vulnerability...'
asciilifeform: will add, however, that there is not and will never be a fully-automated, mechanical nonsense-preventer. it is a moar fantastic dream than the prime-number generator. it is rather like to ask for piano that cannot play badly.
asciilifeform: rrything into 1file. this comes at a cost. apparently this particular electric fence must get pissed on empirically, for the cost to become obvious. let it be pissed on then, i haven't presently anything to add.
asciilifeform: i built the orig v with a certain amount of mechanical 'luft' , so that lateral motion of information between brains was possible without total history erasure. however it is entirely true that this makes it possible to turn a vtree into nonsense with a sequence of individually-correct operations. now you can try and take away the luft , 'hash whole previous press' etc. you can already get this effect in existing v by concatenating e
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-06#1765921 << this is entirely troo tho. i simply dun see that it is amenable to a mechanical solution. ☝︎
asciilifeform: err, wer
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-06#1765918 << if mircea_popescu sees himself as the 1 fella with a working head, and sole fountain of sanity, and errybody else is a peculiar sort of animated furniture -- i am quite powerless to cure. ( occasionally i'll try curing anyway, as it sometimes seems to work , e.g. seems to be finally cured of 'plain text' after 3+ yrs of 'wie sind sie eigentlich... !' ) ☝︎☟︎
asciilifeform bbl, bed.
asciilifeform: i'ma leave this apparently immortal zombie thread alone for nao, for sake of own blood pressure.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-06#1765881 << sanity looks like this : 'trb since 2015 is made of v. and works. and quite compact. and fundamentally mechanics are correct.' ☝︎
asciilifeform: which to date is never.
asciilifeform: and there is no 'ambiguity' in 2015-v , except in so far as incompetent patch authors permit it.