asciilifeform: plaintextism is insiduously wrongthing. there is nothing 'intrinsically clean' about stream of 7bit teletypolade.
asciilifeform: how 'picture' ended up a gnarly hack on top of 'streams of text', rather than an uninteresting and harmless 'yet another possible sexpr' is separate item.
asciilifeform: where's the necessary inca element in compressing a highly redundant turd before moving it ?
asciilifeform: ( trades cpu time for bandwidth, like any other compressor )
asciilifeform: good % of www traffic seems to use it.
asciilifeform had to disable it manually on a box recently, it fucked up an experiment
asciilifeform: ( and of the raw instructions being quite readable, per se, as a program . unlike the turingsoup one puts into a transfer-machine or the like )
asciilifeform: fg per se is , i will argue , ~also~ a comp, it has a few bits of state, accepts input , of a kind, over time, computes a certain function, emits output.
asciilifeform: ( granted fg itself it is not a general-purpose comp. but the fpga substrate -- is. observe that it is not programmed by being given a series of sequentially-executed instructions. )
asciilifeform: then moves to a new instruction, by incrementing an instruction-pointer , and does it again. and again. etc
asciilifeform: and it sequentially reads instructions from somewhere, and each time does something. which consists of picking up operands somewhere, carrying out a e.g. addition or subtraction , and dropping the result somewhere.
asciilifeform: in j. von n.'s model, there is (ideally. in actual life, all kinds of 'unprincipled exceptions' like dma) 1 prime mover, what today we call 'cpu'.
asciilifeform: the hinge is 'what is the prime mover' in the machine, and what -- 'the moved'.
asciilifeform: if you dun know the basic idea of von neumann comp, you are not yet ready for this argument, correct.
asciilifeform: where e.g. 'since about say 2010, there's a new generation of programers, whose mantra is “help”, “be positive”. They shy away from negative things, even occasional swearing. I consider them scumbags. Many young star coders are of this ilk.'
asciilifeform: ( e.g. ' i know how addition works but not how to make a cpu that fetches instructions ...' ? )
asciilifeform: out of curiosity, esthlos , where do you perceive to be the gap ?
asciilifeform: also depends on where the white spaces in your education are -- do you already know how to e.g. make shift registers, adders, etc. and need refresh re cpu ? or already know cpu mechanics and need electronics refresh ? or wat.
asciilifeform: there are prolly other good ones from same era.
asciilifeform: possibly mircea_popescu parsed the 'important' differently ?
asciilifeform: why do anything at all if 'we cannot hope to beat the old greeks' say.☟︎
asciilifeform: imho it is an unappealing and uninteresting pov☟︎
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766211 << the classical j00z have the 'past is moar important' jumpers set to max: iirc they have a 'the further we get from moses, the moar of god-given wisdom is lost', i.e. nonrenewable resource.☝︎
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766223 << i parsed the sentence differently --' idiot individualist' implying the existence of 'smart individualist', who is able to make use of a platoon of hands, rather than be crippled by 'committeeism'☝︎☟︎
asciilifeform: i vaguely suspect that without periodic catastrophes where elite is butchered ( dun matter so much by whom, barbarians, jacobins, or plague ) you end up with the castes of india . but naturally not testable.
asciilifeform: it's rather like those fungi that eat aids sufferers.
asciilifeform: if yer ancien regime is vulnerable to revolution, it's rotten.☟︎
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766221 << they work exactly as death works for people - 'so long as somebody else doing it', noshit. civilizations sensesce and gotta get gc'd - like people. e.g. nick the II-nd's regime was liquishit. or take the last habsburgs..☝︎
asciilifeform: ended up xml via similar process to how postscript ended up pdf
asciilifeform: sgml, rather ( where naggum was involved )
asciilifeform: ( it was designed as a general-purpose 'self-describing data' -ikr? - horror , and idea was that it would be edited ~with appropriate tools~ - which unsurprisingly never were invented )☟︎
asciilifeform: as for xml, naggum was apparently involved with it before wwwism began to take off, and there were any notion of humans editing it directly
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: pdf is a graphics format ( and a quite horrifying one, a corruption of postscript, recall ) not a text. so not the right warcrime for comparison for the french thing☟︎
asciilifeform: gzip was never purpose-built for this. nao picture if it were. naggum, as far as i can tell, wanted a compactly-encoded binform of sexpr as standard, to put plaintextism into its overdue grave.☟︎
asciilifeform: ( phunphakt- recall that almost all htm today goes over the cable gzipped. in that sense it in fact 'lost' to bin. )
asciilifeform: presently i suspect that gpl-gnat has succumbed to the work of wreckers. ~100% of the barfology to date, has been from gpl-gnat users with astonishingly variously rotted carcasses in place of a working compiler
asciilifeform: ( there is no reason why this ought to be necessary, this is the 1st report of this type of barf i've seen , in reading yr+ of various barf reports re gnat )
asciilifeform: and what it looks like is that your gprbuild, for some odd reason , refuses to recurse. try gprbuild inside libffa , then afterwards gprbuild inside ffademo.
