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mircea_popescu: not really. all you need is a small rocket
a111: Logged on 2015-10-15 01:03 mircea_popescu: if you want a Tatra truck, ask for it.
mircea_popescu: ill interfere with a satellite lol.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform who the fuck would depend on a satellite. for one thing they keep falling.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-14 17:08 mircea_popescu: it's funny how all the things are the same thing and everything wraps into ideological identity. empire needs... a lot of really dumb ones, as a COLLECTIVE. we... make every one stand on its own INDIVIDUALLY.
asciilifeform: well i thought of making a 3^n. but there's no reason not to say 'be a whole power of the machine BASE ' !
asciilifeform: and a few other things.
asciilifeform: as for the other thing, right now we have a 'classical' karatsuba that permits odd splits
asciilifeform: ( or describe a logic for showing that one is always preferable to the other )
asciilifeform: PeterL: that's a 4150b
PeterL: (I forgot to increment a variable, so the first number is just 2*(a big exponent of 3) )
PeterL: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/x9YvV/?raw=true << this is a better one!
mircea_popescu: PeterL we found a hole in the spec ;/
PeterL: I am still digesting logs, did you guys agree on a bit size for the primorial you want?
mircea_popescu: aha. prolly should have a "dense" prime then.
asciilifeform: but on your current iron you're stuck with cups of a certain size.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no dude, consider the catechistic angle. "soo... why is your key 515 byts ?" "i dunno, his lordship mp said so" "why ?" "nobody knoiws, really. he just says things." "so how do you calculate it ?" "first, you set ffa to 520 bytes..." "why did he say 515 then ?" "uh... that's a good question."
asciilifeform: incidentally, there is no reason why the ~public~ exponent , on ffatronic rsa, should not also be a large prime
asciilifeform: simply take a 6720-bit W.
asciilifeform: ( by a max of B-1 bits , where B is your machine word )
asciilifeform: i'ma repeat that http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-14#1697720 is a mistake -- you can still use any key width you like. just gotta 0extend up to the permitted multiple. ☝︎
asciilifeform: this is also a 10% or so speedup.
asciilifeform: ftr i considered imposing a 'ffa W is power of 2 or fuckyou'
asciilifeform: when on 128-bit iron , which exists today, you simply gotta pad out your payload so it sits in a W multiple of 128 ( supposing you insist on squeezing every penny of horse out of the 128ness )
asciilifeform: just like your opteron is happy to add 1 + 1, even though 1 is a '1-bit' rather than 64-bit int
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you can use any key bitness you like ! but gotta top it out with 0s to sit it into a ffa word
mircea_popescu: and then when a 128 bit machine comes along ?
a111: Logged on 2017-08-14 17:44 mircea_popescu: "N must be 64 because at some point i nthe past a 64 bit machine was released and we care ; N will not have to be 128 in the future because even though an 128 bit machine will probably be released in the future, we don't understand the future and consequently do not care"
asciilifeform: a trio that has not prev been achieved at any point.
mircea_popescu: "N must be 64 because at some point i nthe past a 64 bit machine was released and we care ; N will not have to be 128 in the future because even though an 128 bit machine will probably be released in the future, we don't understand the future and consequently do not care" ☟︎
asciilifeform: 'W is constrained, such that any permissible value of W must be representable in a whole number of machine words on 8, 16, 32, 64-bit ALU.'
asciilifeform: 'ffa represents a W-bit integer as a contiguous array of N machine words of bitness B, W = N*B.'
mircea_popescu: this has been the worst explanation of a rationale in recorded history. care to do it over ?
mircea_popescu: answer the q then! when a 128 bit computer is sold, ffa word will ahve to increase to 128 bits ?
asciilifeform: which requres a 64b quantum
mircea_popescu: tmsr rsa standard key is 515 bits, made out of a 257 and a 258 bit long prime. ☟︎
asciilifeform: 1) replace termination condition with a mux that starts discarding new results of iteration in favour of old, at iteration T and after
asciilifeform: the basic, naive method for magicking a conventional algo into a constanttime algo, is to
asciilifeform still devising a constant time gcd
asciilifeform: you wouldn't want a mb of anything in ffa tho
mircea_popescu: a yes. a mb or so's worth is good to have. afaik all rsa impls have some small primes. heck, peterl's gossiptron had a list.
asciilifeform: it's a prelude for avoiding expensive miller-rabin when the latter is doomed to fail
asciilifeform: 'rng bits are expensive' spawned quite a few idiocies , by itself
mircea_popescu: it's funny how all the things are the same thing and everything wraps into ideological identity. empire needs... a lot of really dumb ones, as a COLLECTIVE. we... make every one stand on its own INDIVIDUALLY. ☟︎
asciilifeform: the important bit : if fails, make a ~new~ one, rather than n+1
mircea_popescu: it is also a very typical difference, symbolic enough to go on our fucking flag. "the empire makes a test and then goes through parts until it finds one that goes through ; the republic makes a part and tests it until it is certain to be correct."
a111: Logged on 2017-08-14 15:12 asciilifeform: in other lulz, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzZb6kfctEU << 'my father would spin like a dreidel in his grave if he saw'
a111: Logged on 2017-08-14 16:45 shinohai: http://archive.is/Uffst <<< lulzy ... "After a software update was sent to your lock, it failed to reconnect to our web service making a remote fix impossible"
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-14#1697566 << don't you just love it how the implication is that your item they broke was "somehow" at fault ? it's not "we pushed a buggy piece of shit into your item and thereby broke it". not ever. ☝︎
shinohai: http://archive.is/Uffst <<< lulzy ... "After a software update was sent to your lock, it failed to reconnect to our web service making a remote fix impossible" ☟︎
asciilifeform: the other thing, you don't need ANY trial-divisions in the prelude to miller-rabin, IF you have a constant-time gcd
asciilifeform: in other olds , https://www.iacr.org/archive/ches2009/57470141/57470141.pdf << traditional rsa prime generation is quite 'loud'. this is not a seekrit. subj demonstrates algo for actually recovering the prime.
asciilifeform: in other lulz, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzZb6kfctEU << 'my father would spin like a dreidel in his grave if he saw' ☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: but outside of this, "has T told X about Y's otp" is very much a "you wouldn't download a car" type of problem.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-06 05:36 mircea_popescu: trinque re last para, what's wrong with you know, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-03#1693444 ? basically replace "The user decrypts the ciphertext and returns the cleartext OTP to D, which relays it to T, meanwhile revealing it to L. T replies to D with either "OK" or "FAIL", and a transaction is complete." with "T sends hash(C) to L, encrypted(C) to D. The user decrypts the ciphertext and returns the cleartext OTP to D, which
trinque: how the fuck did a B get in there, lol
a111: Logged on 2017-08-06 05:36 mircea_popescu: trinque re last para, what's wrong with you know, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-03#1693444 ? basically replace "The user decrypts the ciphertext and returns the cleartext OTP to D, which relays it to T, meanwhile revealing it to L. T replies to D with either "OK" or "FAIL", and a transaction is complete." with "T sends hash(C) to L, encrypted(C) to D. The user decrypts the ciphertext and returns the cleartext OTP to D, which
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo don't you just love how the tards went straight on from "bitcoin cash" to "segwit" without skipping a beat ? << Well, they soft forked segwit. Their new hill is TWO mb blocks
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo don't you just love how the tards went straight on from "bitcoin cash" to "segwit" without skipping a beat ?
asciilifeform: in all likelihood you already have a copy.
mike_c: so.. first a compiler for this subset?
asciilifeform: and 'to ada' also wrong word, (ultra fascist subset of) ada is simply what remained on the table after we went methodically through all reqs for a sane programming (for existing iron) system
asciilifeform: this is a somewhat obsolete version but illustrative
asciilifeform: mike_c: currently we have ~90% of a nonbranching ( no timing leak ) , provably correct arithmetron
asciilifeform: i've been pushing folx to return to a 'dijkstaraist' concept of program, as something primarily to be ~read~, and only secondarily as something to execute on comp
a111: Logged on 2017-08-13 20:58 mike_c: yeah, well, from what I remember that's what killed cardano, no? that gpg turned out to be a pile of crap?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-13#1697465 << correct. is how i ended up working on a replacement for pgp ☝︎
mike_c: ok, I'll take a crack at it.
mod6: there was a bug that was discovered like a year ago
mike_c: yeah, well, from what I remember that's what killed cardano, no? that gpg turned out to be a pile of crap? ☟︎
mike_c: yes, a necessary but not sufficient part
mike_c: I'm looking forward to being able to generate a key that I can actually trust.
mod6: mike_c: i had quite a bit of fun testing those FGs; worked pretty great for me.
mircea_popescu: mod6 you prolly have a point there, i should write since it keeps coming up when trying to get intelligent people up to speed.
mike_c: stan's theory for a mesh networked internet at least, I don't remember him proposing it for computing
mircea_popescu: and now the idea is... since this could ALSO be used as a padder (in the rsa sense), a reverser is needed (takes r and s and spits out m)
mod6: is there a trilema post on UCI?
mircea_popescu: wanna race peterl to building a reverser ?
mike_c: Yeah, that was my impression. It is certainly not a bad choice for crypto
mike_c: stfu, seriously? I managed to avoid that a decade ago.
mircea_popescu: hm... should i lower the pay-for-tits moar ? i mean 2 bitcents is nigh on a hundred bux by now wtf.
mircea_popescu: and trinque was about to release a payments thing for deedbot by ... end of july yo! and then there's the ffa growing towards a proper tmsr-rsa, and of course the gossipd sandbox, and a coupla yet sikrit items and so on
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mike_c but look at the new v-based trb build << yah, if you're interested in standing up a node, we'll talk ya through it.
mircea_popescu: there's a lot of new shit, actually. heck, it's unthinkable, but i guess 90% of the republican stuff was made in the past 18 months. i have nfi how this works, somehow the feeling is that "nothing changed" right, it was the same thing then too, no ? yes, and yet... there's v and there's a whole new pile of bots and on it goes.
mircea_popescu: usually ships in a day or two.
mod6: i've been optimistic though; know you've been busy. don't hesitate to drop us a line tho!
mike_c: i know, right. It's frustrating prioritizing time. Didn't have time to hang, definitely not to work, so felt weird dropping in once a month and saying "hey, haven't done anything, don't have time to do anything" ☟︎
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-13#1697368 << eh they've been trying to come up with something to prop up the "market cap" of alphabet for a decade now, ever since it became completely obvious "advertising" is a lol. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-08-13 02:30 mircea_popescu: ro had a very identical equivalent. amusingly, also physicist.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-13#1697299 << if i were keeping seekrits for a mega-quisling, i at least wouldn't advertise, lol ☝︎
BingoBoingo: "remember when a black supremacist sniper killed 5 cops last year and nobody demanded the president condemn 'black supremacist violence' and then the president went on to condemn the police for being racist?"
mircea_popescu: we laugh a lot, right, and half the time a gekko joins in, as if he got the joke. "ka-ka-ka-kaka"
BingoBoingo: Anyways it appear there is a clear heirarchy: mircea_popescu >> slavegirls >> dark paladins, locusts, Trumpreich, Fna
BingoBoingo: And sending dark paladins to make his gf's day job a chore
a111: Logged on 2016-12-12 20:47 phf: (in random luls, since btcbase doesn't track renames for the longest time i thought that we had an actual "oglafbot" running. i saw BingoBoingo post an update a few times and wondered "what happened to oglafbot")
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/08/dollar-malaise-continues-now-under-14000th-of-a-bitcoin/ << Qntra - Dollar Malaise Continues, Now Under 1/4000th Of A Bitcoin
phf: it's particularly annoying, because sometimes you want to do a localized subtle functional modification while preserving the signature and it won't "let" you
phf: yeah. for some reason i thought it was even a salieri movie, but no. it's been bugging me for several days
mircea_popescu: sounds vaguely like at least a grosse of them. heck, even the original emanuelle is something like that.
phf: so in unrelated questions, does anybody by chance know a french or italian pornographic movie, probably 80s, early 90s? the setup is this girl gets invited to a secret party, gets fucked on stage in various creative ways (we're talking blacks in harlequin costumes, rather than sodom), takes taxi back home and there's a prolonged scene in a taxi cab ride home. everything's happening during one night, and the movie has correspondingly dark (vhs-y) tones