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kanzure: 15:10 < kanzure> i'm a little confused. i know the prepwork is really annoying and laborious in theory. perhaps he should just mean a low-effort nuke.
kanzure: i was once king of the nerdpeople http://www.seanwrona.com/typeracer/profile.php?username=kanzure
kanzure: do you memorize bookmars like i do?
a111: Logged on 2017-08-28 20:19 asciilifeform: re the linked piece, i'm not satisfied with the direction of the causal arrow having been established
kanzure: well i suppose this is your topic of the moment. processing...
kanzure: "I don't want anything, it's a factual observation." <-- this person is lying. he was communicating for a reason.
kanzure: alright well anyway, discipline seems more like a reliable metric i suppose, but go back to your insistence on causes not outcomes
kanzure: is swinging a hammer a form of effort here? i don't know man.
mircea_popescu: anyway. he'd hire student kids to do work for him. i once watched a dozen of them, try to demolish a wall with a 60kg hammer.
mircea_popescu: kanzure when i was a kid, i had a friend. he built this shambling abomination of a bar, each layer a different style, floor after floor.
kanzure: intelligence or specific mutation is in the weeds; i'm still stuck trying to figure out your sense of "discipline". my approach has often been: death ray made up of delibrate effort -> problem => solution.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i'm sure i told the story of the dog ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i subscribe, not a bad angle. in fact, possibly best available atm.
mircea_popescu: in any case ; i am notorious for a very poor memory, including complete inability to remember say actresses names. ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2016-12-21 18:32 mircea_popescu: because no, words don't "have meanings". your meanings for ANY WORD are a function of ALL THE OTHER WORDS YOU KNOW. which is why my definitions regularily blow out english dictionaries, wikipedia and other sources of "wisdom" out of the water - i know more words, and in this knowledge i know all the words i know ~better~. infinitely and irreproducibly so.
kanzure: well i don't really know if memory has an actual size (that concept might be bullshit)-- what about retention, is that the same thing as size
kanzure: i actually am not interested in intelligence genetics. i am more interested in things like working memory, memory capacity, etc.
mircea_popescu: or am i expected to think "designer" isn't to be interpreted to mean i can want a smart baby ? after all i can buy designer bags, of whichever kind, the only bags i can't buy being bags that ARE ANY GOOD. something like that ?
kanzure: "or at least, I think discipline is more correlated than effort. You can work _very_ hard at something and make no progress because your efforts are not directed."
mircea_popescu: i am not trying to effectuate any outcomes whatsoever.
mircea_popescu: kanzure no. i keep slavegirls, whom i produce out of free ranged girls through beatings and generally speaking torture.
mircea_popescu: damn. am i the only khalid al-walid fan out there ? is this possible ?
kanzure: mircea_popescu: i would say my approach has been focused towards disciplined centralized technology roadmapping and planning. and then personally financing some of the projects. although it turns out that stuff is expensive and stupid.
mircea_popescu: kanzure you also read the famous piece with the "Where's the rembrandts" i take it ?
kanzure: anyway, i call him "yudzilla" or "big yud"
kanzure: i agree that should or shouldn't doesn't factor into it, but rate does change with intellectual effort
mircea_popescu: kanzure my survey of the online world mostly happens in the sense intel prepares summaries which i sometimes read, but generally looking for a laugh.
kanzure: ((but since you knew bitcoin people i thought you would know, but w/e, it doesn't matter.))
mircea_popescu: (i have a very deep dislike for modern derps putting their name on things, though.)
kanzure: i don't think he's written about it
asciilifeform: i did say 'two hands', not 'four hooves', neh
kanzure: i am not really sure how your epistemology works
kanzure: i would argue there is a knowledge component.
mircea_popescu: anyways. did you happen to read say http://trilema.com/2017/is-it-still-rape-if-i-write-science-on-my-penis-first/#footnote_4_71619 ?
kanzure: i agree that the technology is missing. it should be built.
kanzure: i have no idea how to speak with you
kanzure: yes i am aware of mutagenesis and selection techniques
kanzure: it's sort of weird. i asked and their answer was "he's angry". i am pretty sure they are idiots.
kanzure: it's done to many mammals i'm not sure about sheep specifically. why would sheep matter?
kanzure: i understand many aspects of genetic engineering. i also understand why mammalian projects are more complex.
kanzure: i haven't internalized your post completely so i'm not sure what you are expecting me to extract from it.
kanzure: and the controversy stuff is a tacky add-on, i'll admit.
kanzure: mircea_popescu: i disagree with your evaluation of whether it's a waste of time, or that it is fashionable in the least. i simply recognize the value of controversy.
kanzure: i'm looking i'm looking.
mircea_popescu: no, i get it, you want to single play the WoWoW.
kanzure: what if i claim that i'm illiterate
mircea_popescu: kanzure the model whereby you "attract funding" for "your idea" is fundamentally broken. i don't mean a little broken, i mean fundamentally broken -- it makes it impossible to actually have an idea, which is why your "attempt to find the most controversial conceivable notion" ended up with "what bit of fashionable nonsense could i waste my life with in the optimisitc but ultimately baseless hope it'll be worthy my or anyone's
kanzure: mircea_popescu: correct. i've looked at it just now but i don't see how it changes anything. shouldn't you prefer people to be hard workers, even if they can't own property?
mircea_popescu: i take it you don't know you never read http://trilema.com/2016/i-am-firmly-against-universal-franchise/ ? and don't know you should have read it ? and so on ?
kanzure: mircea_popescu: well actually the origin of the idea is that i am interested in genome engineering and human enhancement technology. but i also recognize that controversy is necessary to bring attention and funding.
kanzure: one of the genetic changes i have proposed is something that seems to cause 4-5 hours/night to be sufficient rest
a111: Logged on 2017-08-28 20:16 kanzure: basically i sat down and tried to figure out what is the most controversial idea i could possibly construct
kanzure: asciilifeform: i have someone else working on a very similar project these days. it's in progress.
mircea_popescu: really, "i wonder what happened to the clouds, i've not been out of basement for a decade, poor clouds, they must be faring poorly"
a111: Logged on 2017-08-28 16:16 asciilifeform: shinohai: 'What's the latest on Mircea? I've not heard about him in a while.' 'I think his followers actually kind of excommunicated him after he lost their bitcoins. I don't pay much attention to them though.' << didjaknow !
mircea_popescu: kanzure i read the logs anyway.
mircea_popescu: THIS is what your money's fucking buying omfg, "i live in the country so i can spend 80k a year on renting a cardboard box and have nice coasters which are worse than a fucking pile of dried goat shit"
kanzure: oh my god i am bad at math
kanzure: about to get unvoiced i think. could someone offer mircea_popescu a link to the right place in the logs for the eugenics war.
mircea_popescu: cuz i TOTALLY need pretty colorful pictures on my fucking coasters, lest my brain turns off or some shit.
mircea_popescu: and in other shit i will now randombly whine about : i bought these coasters, right ? cuz i was in some random mall picking up some chick and we went in an "upscale" libreria and well, i dunno, i impulse bought some fucking coasters. she thought they were expensive.
mircea_popescu: i guess. there's an inch of soil and under that basalt, you understand. there's a reason jungle soil is poor -- all of it gets washed into ocean.
mircea_popescu: shinohai if i lived in a jivilized country with jews in it i'd just have some cabbage juice. sadly, no cellars here. too hot, too wet.
mircea_popescu: well, unless i am actually coming down with something.
kanzure: i don't know any hereditary magic tricks to eliminate headaches but that should be doable.
mircea_popescu: i got a fucking headache.
asciilifeform: i have nfi who is jihan
asciilifeform: 1st step, as i understand : chinese.
kanzure: well i was thinking about just going for the heart of the whole thing (designer genomes/eugenics) and go after those bathtubs
kanzure: i read all logs everywhere. it's sort of my thing.
asciilifeform: kanzure: i and ~50 other folx, lost jobs, because it proved ~impossible to persistently force $valuableprotein secretion in ecoli ☟︎
asciilifeform: i suspect -- difficult to reduce to practice.
kanzure: also, i am part of hgp-write (basically human genome project 2.0) one of our projects is removing 7 codons from the genome to render human biology impervious to all existing viruses. ☟︎
kanzure: yes a lot of biology is stupid i'm not sure what your concern is
asciilifeform: re the linked piece, i'm not satisfied with the direction of the causal arrow having been established ☟︎
kanzure: so i guess to answer your question, ethnic cleansings?
kanzure: i am proposing an aggressive timeline like 100 designer baby genomes by 2030 and then 1 million designer babies by 2045
kanzure: basically i sat down and tried to figure out what is the most controversial idea i could possibly construct ☟︎
asciilifeform: i can't speak for him, but i only very vaguely know you, kanzure , through n-th degree meatspace .
kanzure: should i be hurt that he doesn't know me?
asciilifeform: i'll also warn that neither mp nor most of the folks here, engage in 'private' conversation with folx they do not know.
kanzure: i have begun to master the art of sleeptyping so sleep is no longer an inconvenience
kanzure: where precisely do i go to pitch mircea on eugenics 2.0?
asciilifeform: i dun see any thinking in there
asciilifeform: shinohai: 'What's the latest on Mircea? I've not heard about him in a while.' 'I think his followers actually kind of excommunicated him after he lost their bitcoins. I don't pay much attention to them though.' << didjaknow ! ☟︎
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-28#1703794 << i thought it was named for the obvious, der sturmer ☝︎
danielpbarron: i don't wanna spoil the surprise just yet. let's see if she shows up
BingoBoingo: "Big Ron had Sensei Steve and I out to watch the big fight, in which we all cheered for the white man in the ring—Floyd Mayweather." >> http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=8775
mircea_popescu: teh very respectable southern poverty law center. and i bet you bitcoin to donuts they didn't actually pay jack for it, either. ☟︎☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: since ben_vulpes linked http://trilema.com/2014/guidance-there-is-no-such-thing-as-bitcoin-taint/#footnote_3_52853 i suppose it's time to edit that footnote to link to http://trilema.com/2014/interacting-with-fiat-institutions-a-guide/ ?
mircea_popescu: but in any case prolly safe to say that the problems of the westerners were solitude, and inferiorty complex v-a-v majesty of nature. couldn't give less of a shit re "problems of society" for lack of one, or any desire for one. certainly the women had the healthy "if there's a cock i'm sticking in into me" attitude.
asciilifeform: i have deeply nfi whether the chix are simply weathervane, or make weather
mircea_popescu: im not really familiar enough with the west to say ; but i expect this is simply not true.
asciilifeform: and i sat next to him on a plane, no less
asciilifeform: hm, odd, i seem to recall thinking 'old'
asciilifeform: i thought it meant 'focus on the beach'
asciilifeform: not quite what i picture as 'retired', but nfi
mircea_popescu: i expect one of the smarter kids, figured out he doesn't meet table stakes and retired early.
asciilifeform: i still have nfi who is or was ziggler, and fully intend to carry on not knowing, if possible
mircea_popescu: i similarily always end up with marx ziggler stuff when looking for socialist related docs.