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mircea_popescu: but
the web (metaphorically,
the spider web of existence) has
to be and remain
traversable from
the outside.
mircea_popescu: now, none of
this is an argument for ~all code forever open~.
there's no all comers here, and indeed
the overwhelm factor is a problem.
mircea_popescu: but it's chiefly around
this sort of misstatements, "oh, open code destroys value".
mircea_popescu: and all my reservations re naggum, historically, came from
this elinson flavour i here and
there detected.
mircea_popescu: guy always had a very early-steamengine/textilemill-engineering flavour
to me
mircea_popescu: (by which i mean, specifically "i know i'm a hack, and i know i have a finite
time until
they figure it out, so
the more i make while saying
the least --
the better")
mircea_popescu: it seems deeply boneheaded
to believe publication destroys value, a sort of harlan elinson
tack.
mircea_popescu: leaving aside my observation of anyone else's experience --
the "here's mp-wp codebase" has not appreciably destroyed something as far as i can
tell.
mircea_popescu: probably. still -- notice how ~easy~ it is for us
to discard pointless items, howsoever "friendly"
they might be.
mircea_popescu: something like
that utterly can't stand UNLESS "the logs are right
there, what've you been doing".
mircea_popescu: so in short -- naggum's dilemma must be resolved ~without~ closing
the code.
mircea_popescu: passive, yes, but everyone who is here is here ~because
they read code~, not because
they didn't.
mircea_popescu: open code has
this fundamental capacity, of doing for you what my fetlife bots do for me.
mircea_popescu: if, in point of fact, code is kept under wraps, you are, in point of fact, forcing
the world into a "things lay where
they fell" scheme, and slavery becomes untenable (and deeply something i can't support).
mircea_popescu: and you can't say "she should read
trilema and figure shit out". a slave doesn't have
this, a slave will do what random moron
tells
them
to, which i guess would be going
to college or some shit.
mircea_popescu: now let's look at
this system : it's not nicole's place
to judge her master avik ; separated from
this her master avik is a moron. is it our intention
that everything should stand as it fell ?
mircea_popescu: there's a female born, somewhere in
the indistinct midwest. aged 16, she correctly [yet without having read it] applies
the
http://trilema.com/2013/whore-strat/ "what female is supposed
to be", ends up enslaved by some guy, whom we'll call avik.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-25 19:15 asciilifeform: at
the risk of repeating ancient
thread -- 'the best machine is no machine', it weighs nuffin, needs no maintenance. and
the best proggy, is no proggy at all, if a problem can be solved without writing proggy, it ought
to be. erry line of coad can be rightfully pictured as an act of intellectual littering. y'know, like
throwing cig butt or bottle on
the ground in
the park.
mircea_popescu: suppose, as a
thought experiment, we are now in charge of
the world. we are
to say how it is
to be run.
mircea_popescu: there's a further, important element
that he neglects. specifically -- consider slavery.
mircea_popescu: which is his mistake, he
thinks "code has value" is approachable in
the
terms of "fish has value". but fish has value per line, and code does NOT have value per line. in fact -- each extra pound of fish increases
the value of
the fish cache ; but every extra line of code DECREASES
the value of
the code cache.
mircea_popescu: now, conversely -- it is impossible, leaving aside how it is impracticable,
to
try and make software "secret". from
the color of bits
to what have you,
the notion
that you can somehow wrangle ~a concrete, objectified representation~ of
the abstract in question
to "carry value" is also broken.
mircea_popescu: since
the doctor's entitled
to some compensation
to even out his opportunity cost,
the dilemma naggum presents is quite soundly footed : "get sick for a while, see". and plenty of other items go just
this way.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu asciilifeform Got burried in ruckus, Going
to
try
to write it up
mircea_popescu: rds
that are only applicable or interesting
to his own particular case.
mircea_popescu: so, on one hand, he is entirely correct in saying
that useful work has
to be paid, and whether its abstract work or digging ditches makes no difference.
there's nothing special about writing software "that millions will use" (ie, generality) -- because
the writer can get sick, and
the person handling sick people will HAVE
TO drop what
they're doing and instead look at deeply similar splotches on a screen and say ~specific~ wo
mircea_popescu: (dood had some bitcoin investment, and was diddling
the kidnapped woman, is
the idea).
mircea_popescu: "In lieu of flowers, his family has asked
that gifts in Zhang’s memory be made
to Stanford University".
mircea_popescu: i wonder how many people ignored
the dumbass before she formed
the notion
that
the problem isn't her being stupid -- but other people being old.
mircea_popescu: the world, not as a sum, but
throughout, each-individual-component-as-well-as-all-groups-of-components, is worse off for computers being more accessible
thusly.
mircea_popescu: i have no fucking idea who
thought accessibility is a good idea.
mircea_popescu: and
then of course also lack
the meta-cognitive capacity
to realise
that
this is simple metonimy,
the stupidphone doesn't do
that just
to one filed
that's "too long", but
to ALL FIELDS. which is how
they end up with notions about "#metoo" and etcetera.
mircea_popescu: there's no fucking benefit,
the world was better off when
there were four computers about
total and
the fucktarded secretutes sucked dick in office bathrooms instead of derping about how "you don't understand computers" because
their stupidphones cut off fields silently and
THEY ARE
TOO FUCKING STUPID
TO REALISE
this is a problem, and specifically of
theirs...
mircea_popescu: why
the fuck do i want
to carry
through
the world a huge pile of
tech debt ?
mircea_popescu: motherfucker, all
that builds is a large contingent of snails who
think
they can fly, which is PRECISELY
technological debt.
mircea_popescu: "oh,
the computer should make snails fly, so
that it makes flight accessible
to snails, so
that
there's more birds around which will make even more computers even better bla bla bla".
mircea_popescu: ple" symbol in
that "more people get involved" does NOT denote ~actual~ people. it denotes
the sort of people who need a computer
to
think for
them in order
to participate in intellectual affairs. ie, NON!!!!-people!
mircea_popescu: and
the
thing
that
truly gets my goat, is
that all
this inane "simplicity -- computers have
to do
the work for people" reinterpreted as "computers have
to do
the work
to compensate for utterly destructured psychogenic noise -- and you have
to write
the assurance software for
the software
they run" was only pushed in
the first place so "accessible" because
then "more people get involved". forgetting all
the while
that
the "peo
mircea_popescu: nfi what
they were
thinking when
they came up with
the <tag> bs.
mircea_popescu: i utterly don't need a scriptable wrapper
to do string manipulation, what
the holy shit is
this, onyl someone who grew up on c strings can imagine such nonsense.
mircea_popescu: so do
the sane
thing, make bitmap with latex
tag, and be done with it.
mircea_popescu: nevermind
that. really nobody cares what
the empire does.
mircea_popescu: don't
try
to fix people's
terminals from across
the cable.
mircea_popescu: and
the way
this wound will heal is exactly
thus : properly adnotated math
that
then is properly rendered WHERE
TERMINALS WORK
mircea_popescu: there's no way out of
this, alf : inasmuch as "math" is not fully alphabetic (as it isn't, because it includes procedural items as well as characters) you WILL HAVE
TO add some notation
to your "text".
mircea_popescu: but you ~could~ add
the actual latex source as an alt
tag on
the image, resulting in... searchable, and viewable in [correctly working] lynx.
mircea_popescu: i wake up, with a bladder fulla pee and a bladder fulla words. and more
than half
the
time it's
the 2nd
that actually makes snoozing impossible.
a111: Logged on 2018-12-04 00:58 asciilifeform: i dun expect
these will ever be OCR'd, hand-typesetted-cum-diagrams newtonola is possibly a bridge
too far for ocr.
mircea_popescu: and yes,
the distinction is very specifically driven by
the "marriage patterns", ie, western franks allowing women much more choice in mating (resulting predictably in a large contingent of unmated females, a larger still contingent of mated-once, and a much later first mating overal). all
this produces a lot of idle
time
to waste wringing wrists.
mircea_popescu: west of
the hajnal line, however, "fair" is exclusively found in "it's not fair
that old man's daugther do all
the work while old woman's daugthers get all
the praise"
mircea_popescu: east of
the hajnal line, "fair" means "it's
true i'm a poor peasant who needs
this chunk of bread, yet
the devil saw it first and well... fair is fair"
mircea_popescu: phf
the folk fairness you
think of is purely eastern. western fairness was always female-driven, and socialistically flavoured.
phf: i was confused by
the correctness/fairness
thread, until i realized
that
the use of
the word "fair" has changed
to its complete opposite from
the
traditional western use. in folklore fair is a sometimes begrudging recognition and internal compromise of correctness: something is not
to your liking, but it's fair, i.e. correct
mircea_popescu: let me guess, "#metoo,
the social narrative ANYONE* can contribute
to..."
mircea_popescu: which, if anyone should be equal
to
the
task of explaining for my benefit...