asciilifeform: ( not zair either ! )

asciilifeform: zuid-afrika

asciilifeform: nope

asciilifeform: ( this plus mircea_popescu's za buggery series , is all i think of when i think of modern-day za )

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1500956 << oblig za whizzdom ☝︎

asciilifeform: they dun speak the king's englisch, neh.

asciilifeform: pinoyism, wat

asciilifeform: lemme guess, another 'ohnoez, tor worx toowell!!111' piece

asciilifeform: trinque: remember that http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-11#1769299 . ☝︎

asciilifeform: '“Due to network congestion and manual processing, we have closed ticket payments using cryptocurrencies — Hopefully, next year there will be more unity in the community about scaling and global adoption becomes a reality.' << lol, theywontfuckingyield(tm)(r) ☟︎

asciilifeform: re earlier, 'The vulnerability described here is caused by Linux kernel behaviour change in the syscall API (returning relative pathnames in getcwd()) and non-defensive function implementation in libc (failing to process that pathname correctly). Other libraries are very likely to be affected as well. On affected systems this vulnerability can be used to gain root privileges via SUID binaries.'

asciilifeform: bot dead ?

asciilifeform: ...

asciilifeform: um

asciilifeform: !~later tell diana_coman http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2071&cpage=1#comment-18618

asciilifeform: meanwhile, in drepperland, https://www.halfdog.net/Security/2017/LibcRealpathBufferUnderflow

asciilifeform: oh hah notbad name , state_bits

asciilifeform: partial farts.

asciilifeform: the long and exciting adventures of the proverbial snowball in hell.

asciilifeform: the 'phree choice!11' chix that'd look at home at a clitler fundraiser, transplanted somehow , undamaged, into postapocalyptic wastelands -- is almost mandatory trope these days

asciilifeform: it was almost a grand tour of every known type of hollywood braindamage..

asciilifeform: and other similars

asciilifeform: the one where some d00d's fingers vanish 1 by 1 as he -- back in time -- is dismembered

asciilifeform: lol that was a memorably terrible film

asciilifeform: ( sometimes wished that i hadnt reread, almost 'broke' it for me)

asciilifeform: phf: i read the eng also as a kid, slightly laters, and did notice re the names

asciilifeform: aaha

asciilifeform: http://publ.lib.ru/ARCHIVES/T/TOLKIN_Djon_Ronal%27d_Ruel/.Online/Hra188O1.jpg << what i got

asciilifeform: tho i dun think i have the jacket anymoar

asciilifeform: it !

asciilifeform to this very day does not own the engl original

asciilifeform: the 1 missing vol3

asciilifeform: lol that's what i got

asciilifeform liked the original, but ~as a kid~ and deliberately won't re-eat it, these things ~never survive re-opening in adulthood

asciilifeform: 'Мазать уже можно, есть пока ещё нельзя' (tm)(r) !

asciilifeform: ( folx who remember e.g. tokamak, will find the dynamic familiar )

asciilifeform: there's a whole pseudoindustry being born , of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-11#1769090 - ing for qc ☝︎

asciilifeform: ( and not, perhaps strangely from n00b pov, e.g. fusion power )

asciilifeform: qc i suspect will be to current-day usg as immortality pill was to chinese emperor qin shihuangdi

asciilifeform: apeloyee: d00d wouldn't perchance happen to work for 'dwave' co. would he ?

asciilifeform: hey, the 'we dun need to win, all we gotta do is print in nyt front page that we did' can carry on right up until the turks come over the city walls ☟︎

asciilifeform: hm yea there was one of these wasntthere.

asciilifeform: nah bock's flavour is more of a 'i did this in 2010 and no i won't show it but hey i did it in 2010 and ...'

asciilifeform: ~none of their behaviour rises to the complexity of, whatever, cat, dog, rat. perl script.

asciilifeform: could, and for all i know this is already in place, replace ptacek et al with eliza.

asciilifeform: prollynot.

asciilifeform: i dun expect he even made it to the bottom of ch1

asciilifeform: phf: d00d is paid for simple job. he did the job, moved on to next item on conveyor

asciilifeform: there may be ~something~ salvageable in it, but i was not able to see what exactly.

asciilifeform: apeloyee: kochanski's method ( at least as described on his www ) very definitely took variant times.

asciilifeform: but this was probably already obvious.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: bonus lul: you can trivially turn 'primehash' (let's for nao call it..) into a symmcipher ( per http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-02#1621207 ) . ☝︎

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: reminds me, asciilifeform's brother not long ago said to asciilifeform re ffaseries, 'think, how many chinese phd theses you've written'

asciilifeform: 'hey hey, ho ho,' rotorism 'has got to go'

asciilifeform: ^ this item is part of asciilifeform's larger thrust, to expunge every remaining vestige of the ( muchly nsa-pushed , for 60+ yrs nao ) 'rotorism' ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-18#1686308 , http://btcbase.org/log/2015-05-29#1147450 , elsewhere ) from sane crypto. ☝︎☝︎

asciilifeform: nao only somebody gotta prove that it dun leak structure... ( or if it does -- just how much )

asciilifeform: so thereby you nao have the sponge.

asciilifeform: ( larger primes, if more cycles available in particular application; smaller, with moar merkelization, if fewer )

asciilifeform: and , beauty is, can be scaled up to fit cpu budget

asciilifeform: aha.

asciilifeform: while still using makeprime(bits(0..n/2))*makeprime(bits(n/2+1..n)) as 'hasher'.

asciilifeform: but you can in fact merkleize'em, and get 'sponge' construction

asciilifeform: the objection last time we had this thread ( iirc by mircea_popescu ) was the pain of doing this with large inputs

asciilifeform: and more , even :

asciilifeform: for what do we need the heathentronic liquishit-mix trapdoor algos.

asciilifeform: so naturally invites the q of 'why not a trapdoor based on multiplication of primes'.

asciilifeform: as a primitive.

asciilifeform: and, will point out, is built into (adult) 'p'.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu gets it.

asciilifeform: aha!

asciilifeform: ( and it's an open q. )

asciilifeform: that was all, re subj.

asciilifeform: it is if i can remove one of the unfounded postulates and still have working item.

asciilifeform: *the

asciilifeform: they proof postulates the strength of the hash.

asciilifeform: aha, and very well

asciilifeform: ( hashes, observe, have lived and died, rsa -- even paint never chipped. )

asciilifeform: whereas one ~could~ build one where rsa per se must fall, for it to fall.

asciilifeform: nope. again, as strong as the hash. hash falls -- it falls.

asciilifeform: theoretically could make one that only stands on 1, rsa.

asciilifeform: an oaep (or similar scheme) ciphertron rests on 2 elephants : strength of rsa, and strength of the (voodoo) hash.

asciilifeform: they are exactly same item as symmciphers.

asciilifeform: nope. no hash has ever been proven to be anything whatsoever.

asciilifeform: and no stronger.

asciilifeform: as strong ~as the hash~

asciilifeform: nope.

asciilifeform: hashes -- suck.

asciilifeform: it's hashtronic

asciilifeform: i dunlikeit

asciilifeform: ( in fact, if we had a decent prime-constructor, 'cut it in half and multiply the 2 large primes you get , 1 from each half' would be a decent hash for such use )

asciilifeform: and incidentally, all you want for padding is a n-bit-to-n-bit hash; and if rsa itself is strong, than simple modexp ( or , if you like, two, 1 the normal way, and then 1 of the output bits, reversed ) is a satisfactory hash for paddings.

asciilifeform: apeloyee ^

asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2105&cpage=1#comment-18616 << edited

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's , what, a day of train away, neh

asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2105&cpage=1#comment-18615 << in other ffaism.

asciilifeform: what's the angle?

asciilifeform: ^ complete with win .exe 'wallet' , a la yesterday's archaeological thread

asciilifeform: gold.

asciilifeform: eb services on-board to accept WOMEN COIN is one of their official payment methods.'

asciilifeform: 'Women coin will become the ultimate business coin for women. We all know that this altcoin market is mainly operated by men, just like the entire world. We want to stop this. From this moment on everyone should keep in mind that we women are as important as men. This is why Women coin project has been formed. ... We want to bring the female standard of importance under the attention with every WOMEN coin trade. Also we want to get w