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decimation: this as much as anyone 'owns' a house in the us
cazalla: when looking for news, i come across quite a few MLM schemes for bitcoin such as bitcoincycler.net, quite a few use pic/video of JuliaTourianski_ lol
decimation: sure, if you responded as kako
assbot: its probably our friend 'little numbers' as i call him. he visited bitbet earlier for a moment.
assbot: log1 as well, same box afaik
cazalla: it is interesting they release the images just as the g20 starts here in australia
cazalla: asciilifeform, as much as i appreciate the translation (my primary school teacher died on mh17), it's a bit of a stretch for qntra to publish it as bitcoin news
Adlai: now that's an interesting hypothesis to test: a bot lurks and tracks "shortest path" to each past message, then records when i link it as opposed to somebody else links it to me
Adlai is exponentially more likely to have read a log entry, according to the shortest path from the present moment back in time to the target entry, where b-a.com links are weighted roughly the same as simply reading backwards
Adlai: while people might not treat people as interchangeable, dama fortuna does. "shit happens", especially in warzones... is the revelation in this article supposed to be surprising?
Adlai: that, and block reward (fee amount, as opposed to fee count)
mircea_popescu: there isn't some sort of "us" that could just as well be a standin for any of us.
ben_vulpes: Adlai: if anything, i'd have expected a surge as those who held mpoe bought more to balance their crypto holdings while accumulating more btc
Adlai: note that i'm asking less "why did mpoe drop" and more "what evidence supports a correlation as the explanation for the temporal coincidence?"
ben_vulpes: i suspect mpoe acts as a stand in for an mpex market fund
assbot: The eagle never lost so much time as when he submitted to learn from the crow.
PeterL: doesn't russia pretty much have as much oil as they want right now anyway? why do they need an excuse to grab more?
undata: only this time Syria must go as well
undata: these events serve as fine propaganda tools no matter what for both sides
joecool: hm reading about the assets project to roll back to 0.5.3, i see "rip out bdb" ? drop wallet support so it only functions as node?
assbot: Logged on 14-11-2014 22:24:42; asciilifeform: (for n00bs only: who is 'lizard hitler' ? a character approximately as real as magnetic field lines were to michael faraday. don't look for magnetic field lines, they aren't there. physically. or as far as we can tell, anyway.) ☟︎
asciilifeform: undata: picture the 0.5.3 turd as a piece of martian technology.
Adlai: of course, but the "manual trust verification" approach taken further would suggest only applying critical bugfixes, as patches, signed by the developer who wrote them (preferably with a signature published at the time of the fix, alternatively obtaining a signature in the present day... or manually verifying the patch's trustworthyness, and signing yourself)
asciilifeform: lol re: linux kernel as an example to follow
asciilifeform: but don't be surprised if it is treated in the same way as the phoundation's original - at the very best, a place to steal bug fixes from.
asciilifeform: undata: if you want to understand the whole point of the fork, try to understand what you lose when you choose a vcs as a canonical representation.
undata: I'd like to slash out the db bits and try something else, but I'm not going to bother with trying to manually merge other people's patches as they come along in process
asciilifeform: as in, cruft.
undata: and your nuke sub is going to get harder and harder to work on as the number of patches grows
Adlai: darcs isn't that intelligent. the input data it gets from a repository is a partially ordered list of patches, possibly signed. this is slightly more general than an ordered list of patches, but just as secure and interactive/manual
undata: Adlai: as you were then; git solves precisely this problem or would not work.
Adlai: asciilifeform: you can add metadata such as patch dependency which is not evident just from the patch's raw contents
assbot: Logged on 13-11-2014 16:38:23; asciilifeform: Adlai: darcs << as a military man, perhaps you are familiar with systems that could be automated easily, but aren't? e.g., ru nuke sub controls
asciilifeform l0lz that folks are using 'phuctor' as a key viewer
asciilifeform: lol wasn't meant to be used as an authoritative keyserver.
Adlai: how charming, i'm only btc authed, but gribble presents it as though i'm gpg authed too
gribble: Nick 'Adlai', with hostmask 'Adlai!~Adlai@gateway/tor-sasl/adlai', is identified as user 'Adlai', with GPG key id 4D88596A7CDA03F9, key fingerprint FCBC64EFDF1D6C1E4E964AEE4D88596A7CDA03F9, and bitcoin address 13dkw1PtojBW74FN7ERbHqoEvgsTmtARuj
mircea_popescu: as pointedly opposed to using the ecdsa in bitcoin
mircea_popescu: this is so braindamaged as to leave one breathless.
mircea_popescu: the only proper way to use bitcoin addresses as identification correctly is to run a never-connected node that has no balance.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not even getting into these technical discussion : getting people to use their credit cards as identification paperwork is a bad idea.
asciilifeform: whether this particular microscope is fit for use as a hammer, depends on two very separate questions - what you think of ecdsa, and what you think of bitcoind
asciilifeform: (esr suffers from some of the same problems as taleb)
mircea_popescu: yup. it works as a trap for particular people
asciilifeform: cazalla: the whole thing exists only as a honeypot, even when it doesn't.
cazalla: ignoring the paedos, i thought this was a good model for a porn site http://www.deepdotweb.com/2014/11/09/as-drug-markets-are-seized-pedophiles-launch-a-crowdfunding-site/
asciilifeform: (for n00bs only: who is 'lizard hitler' ? a character approximately as real as magnetic field lines were to michael faraday. don't look for magnetic field lines, they aren't there. physically. or as far as we can tell, anyway.) ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there are still 'few old guys.' they see the remaining many as impostors, but are not particularly afraid of them. they have pills for this ('obamacare' etc.)
asciilifeform: afaik traditional scheme is for the armies to fight in perpetual deadlock, as if they were the ruminants with horns set at such an angle as to be of no use
Adlai: such as... police forces, armies, etc
nubbins` ponders turmite / langton's ant steady states as analogies for steady states in human behaviour
mircea_popescu: as opposed to moderately possible within a few thousand years ?
Adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-11-2014#922181 << so do you count an entire beehive/anthill as intelligent, but not any single member individually? ☝︎
nubbins`: asciilifeform unfortunately the sea won't be seen as alive until after it's dead D:
asciilifeform: or, at least, what they think of as themselves.
asciilifeform: same way you identify a house as a house.
mircea_popescu: how do you identify a highway as a house ?
asciilifeform: not that it has been shown not to exist, but has about the same status as 'god'
mircea_popescu: 'It follows that he cannot know that certain people at certain times do not understand in Parry-or Eliza-like ways. That is to say, he has no way of knowing that we do not ourselves sometimes function by means of "clever tricks".' actually, i will go as far as to say that it is always certainly the case understanding happens through "clever tricks"
mircea_popescu: will ONLY learn from fiction, inasmuch as they find a way to link it to their own fiction.
asciilifeform: reddit, as i understand, is a world of 'class 3' learners - 'must piss on electric fence himself'
mircea_popescu: because why report, right, there's all these fucktards that need to wonder "what mainstream nobody agrees with mp", as if that's the fucking criteria nao, we vote for knowledge.
asciilifeform found it very surprising that tor survived as a going concern after 'heartbleed'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this may actually be the very same filling as in 'bird's milk'
Adlai: ok, i'll admit, isiscoin serves to attract investment capital away from bitcoin, and acts as a potentially stabler store of value for dollar-averse wealth
Adlai: this is about as related to bitcoin as it would be if south sudan were to mint its own pound... oh wait, they did. where's qntra on that?
asciilifeform: which you have described as abnormal, and in view of the knowledge you had from various sources that
assbot: Twitter rated as 'junk' by S&P, shares drop 5pc - Telegraph
BingoBoingo: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/twitter/11230144/Twitter-rated-as-junk-by-SandP-shares-drop-5pc.html
asciilifeform: re more important than experimental results. Lightoller, in effect, put traditions and customs ahead of the lives of passengers. To him, “the experience of years” and “what we have always done” outweighed all practical suggestions as to what we might do instead, to avoid killing thousands of people.' ☟︎
mircea_popescu: the #1 reason it is idiotic is that the inept player may actually and usually does notice the loosening, and takes this as a honest signal that the expert is bluffing
asciilifeform: almost as if they were living creatures trying to conserve energy or something
mircea_popescu: this is so idiotic as to defy sufficient expression.
mircea_popescu: the most significant error of judgement made by experts as far as i've seen yet is
asciilifeform: still believes that cold fusion calorimetry indicates real excess heat, the frustrated expert may resort to extreme, untenable claims, such as a statement that no calorimeter has an error less than 10%, when in fact the error margin for top-quality conventional instruments is on the order of 0.1%. Or he may wave his hands and say calorimeters are so undependable that you cannot run one for more than a few days
asciilifeform: 'This sort of illogic is rampant in debates about cold fusion, particularly when experts respond to irritating, unwelcome suggestions made by amateurs. They start out cautioning the amateur that instruments such as calorimeters have a margin of error, and calorimeters frequently malfunction with leaking cooling fluid and other problems. When the expert senses the message is not getting through, and the amateur
mircea_popescu: as far as i can see, it's the common step away from excel
assbot: Notation as a tool for thought: Wavelets in J | Locklin on science
asciilifeform: http://scottlocklin.wordpress.com/2014/11/14/notation-as-a-tool-for-thought-wavelets-in-j << for aficionados of peculiar programming systems
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform just about, as one gets tired stuff starts to mutate.
cazalla: g20 is on and media are playing it off as putin versus our prime minister due to MH17
BingoBoingo: Eh, might as well get the bold claims in now, before the whips come
BingoBoingo: I mean over here we grow fucking Dent corn for the sugar and actual sweet corn as a table vegetable
dgeats: BingoBoingo Not as familiar with your blog, I’ll read through it
asciilifeform: to no result, as far as is known, ever, at any point
asciilifeform: obligatory naggum: 'suppose you thought of the new millennium when you wrote your application back in 1972 -- not only wouldn't you be invited to the party, those who knew you had done it right from the start and who probably laughed at you at the time would positively hate you now, and they sure as hell wouldn't tell people about you. and the more stupid they are, the more important it would be to pretend tha
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo only workls for as long as they actually do.
mircea_popescu: Proving the sacrifice of some limited resource is a common technique in a variety of cryptographic protocols. Proving sacrifices of coins to mining fees has been proposed as a universal public good to which the sacrifice could be directed, rather than simply destroying the coins. However doing so is non-trivial, and even the best existing technqiue - announce-commit sacrifices - could encourage mining centralization. C
mircea_popescu: this is presented as contradictory, but it actually isn't.
PeterL: perhaps not the best name to drop as WoT cred?
mircea_popescu: as it just so happens, that theory is about to get tested.
mircea_popescu: i think in the end i got it, and so i could fire as much as i wanted, no concern for bs "laser heating"
assbot: my evolution as a programmer
asciilifeform: for what it's worth, i routinely use 'lulu.com' as a personal printer.
mircea_popescu: intending it as a sort of compliment i guess ?)
mircea_popescu: i mean as a product. the thing itself.
mircea_popescu: As far as I am aware, the phrase came into usage among knowing observers of the Vietnam War. A self-licking ice cream cone is a programme or policy that costs money and resources, generating a great deal of activity; produces indicators of its own success, preferably quantitative; but does not actually achieve its announced goals. Indeed, a proper self-licking cone undermines the very purposes for which it was created,
BingoBoingo: Los Zetas started as a bunch of experts, but finite hit points and now the human shields are in charge and Nuevo Laredo can't have a nice hooker district anymore
BingoBoingo: Well, ISI* probably because 'Murica wasn't as scary as Saddam, so Pro Idiotas had room
undata: if we see IS as an actual threat, we really must be in sore shape.