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barpub: since i do write ordinary English from time to time, and would need in the latter case two programs when i want only one

barpub: if there was a structure editor whose structures include free text, and one whose structures do not, i would pick the former

asciilifeform: that's the only 1 i know of aha

phf: barpub: nah, real structure editor doesn't. but then i've no idea what asciilifeform is talking about. there's not really any real structure editors in production. i know of a dead one, and it's an interlisp programming environment

barpub: xi editor is pretty snappy, i've used it on multi-gb csvs

phf: i've actually tried putting ropes in a bunch of projects and they never have good performance characteristics. in fact for text editors no one has invented anything better than "one string per one line", and if you want to be fancy you split it at point (what emacs does) ☟︎

barpub: yes, only problem with content-addressable memory is I can't buy it

asciilifeform: barpub: if you know where i can buy ram that ain't a flatarray, please tell

phf: i don't know why you explain to me things that ~i argued in the past~. fwiw, i argued "utf-8 is a whole spittoon" back when the question of encoding first came up, to somewhat fierce opposition ☟︎

phf: i don't think that's right, since plan9 does _utf-8_ at fraction of complexity

phf: but ~i think~ naive multibyte (though i haven't looked at particular implementation, i'm judging by something like nvi2) is less of an issue than outright gnuisms

phf: ah i see

phf: asciilifeform: also i'm not sure if you've seen http://heirloom.sourceforge.net/tools.html

phf: i now realize though that "X years of unix" only works if it rolls over into the 90s. otherwise it's an irrelevant factoid

phf: i was trying to be ~polite~. if you put "10 years of unix" on your resume, i sort of assume "tell me your favorite editor and then ssh into the box for interview" is a bushido level of politeness ☟︎

phf: same thread as a guy who freaked the fuck out, because i told him to ssh into a box for the interview ☟︎

a111: Logged on 2016-12-09 19:36 asciilifeform: phf: to quote one such 'speshul trainflake' i encountered once, 'you should be making me an offer, and not asking me to do tricks'

asciilifeform: phf: it was fascinating, i saw same thing, walk in 50 people and not 1 actually has ~any idea how to solve basic pons asinorum

a111: Logged on 2017-09-19 19:34 asciilifeform: i thought that at this point everybody just does the 5min litmus test

phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-19#1715850 << i stopped doing even those. i've had a couple of months of lulzy 5 minute litmus tests that resulted in 100% failure rate, which made me think that perhaps the whole "teach everyone!1 to program" basically means that s/n has finally approached 0. ☝︎

asciilifeform: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/JHUvM/?raw=true << in other lulz. i'll skip to the money shot: 'It is the sense of Congress that WikiLeaks and the senior leadership of WikiLeaks resemble a non-state hostile intelligence service often abetted by state actors and should be treated as such a service by the United States.'

asciilifeform: i thought that at this point everybody just does the 5min litmus test ☟︎

ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: lol i got it from you

ben_vulpes: mouth now open, waiting for them to pour in; found a non sybil i guess.

ben_vulpes: heh i've been waiting for that

trinque: I guess we'll never know; guy assumed I read thoughts.

mircea_popescu: i'm not even sure what the claim is supposed to be. prolly grubles dicking about.

a111: Logged on 2017-09-19 18:02 fromdeedbot: I want my information removed from your site

asciilifeform: otherwise it'd look moar like 'hi i am magicaltux and i demand that you unnegrate me at once!'

asciilifeform: i suspect trollage

a111: Logged on 2015-08-23 05:06 trinque: I demand for this to never have happened at once!

trinque: "but I have lifelock!"

trinque: lol? so how am I to know "my" then?

fromdeedbot: I want my information removed from your site ☟︎

BingoBoingo: The mine where I found out https://www.alternet.org/culture/why-south-park-perfectly-armed-fight-alt-right

trinque: original thread was (or I'm tired) that chicom area denial chalk (TM)

trinque: not like I don't spray a perimeter around my home, but other than that, if there's nothing to eat, there's nothing to eat

mircea_popescu: i do have a lot of geckos, but tbh they're great.

trinque: and hell I'll keep a spider around too if it's not bothering me

BingoBoingo: More for the posteriority: "“It’s indiscriminate, intentional poisoning of wildlife,” says Brian Rowe, who recently retired as pesticide section manager at the Michigan Department of Agriculture & Rural Development in Lansing. “Some of them die with their face in the pan that they’re licking out of. I mean, it kills them that quick.”"

shinohai: http://archive.is/JGgow <<< I trust this report, since this guy is the world's leading authority on viruses and all.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu's algo (aka 'sliding window' , apparently ) takes ~4x the cost of the naive one when implemented constantspacetimefully (i.e. whole table gets walked through mux on every lookup)

asciilifeform: ( all known restatements of newton-raphson reciprocation require normalization, i.e. look at the bits )

a111: Logged on 2017-09-18 22:51 mircea_popescu: this is the fundamental problem of racism, that it imagines a bag in which there are 8e795 possible balls out of which you pull 8e20 or so can be approximated on the basis of "i've seen THOUSANDS of 8e20 pulls! and besides, the bag is only like 8e21 or maaaybe 8e22". it is not. it is literally 8e795.

ben_vulpes: the few days i've been here, at least.

BingoBoingo: Well, I believe the good people of Georgian mountains say in their famous tourist slogan: "Poseurs make pig squeels with their pants down"

ben_vulpes: i really do give a shit about being au courant with the hickset, BingoBoingo

ben_vulpes: i am wearing a john deere meshback as we speak

ben_vulpes: mostly i know because i won't let them talk to me as though i were the twitterbox; 'tis the reason the relationships have all persisted as long as they have.

mircea_popescu: i'm not impugning yer testimony, but did want to point out that with some frequency in the anglotarded youth i get the impression they're deeply desocialized to the point of disability in this sense.

ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i also know a few of the girls involved

trinque: ben_vulpes: hell, I imported two to pdx and both caught all kinds of local pathogens, rotted from the head down.

ben_vulpes: the stories i hear from the american field, horrifying i tell you. bartendresses with hundreds of thousands in debt; girls making 60k per annum who refuse to shop anywhere but the clothes-recycler lest they create strife with their housemates who bill immediately for the 6.75 share of the gas bill...

ben_vulpes: i was musing to a close friend who is in frequent wonderation at what i've wrought in my tiny domain that i doubt that i could pull the same thing off again ex a) the influences of this cult and b) taking her home at 23 or whatever it was

mircea_popescu: but your argument was "i remain unconvinced that selection applied to us base stock will filter anything of quality", and this doesn't discuss culture (or rather, it proposes "but what if we fixed culture").

mircea_popescu: i did type the values through numpad mashing ; nevertheless and notwithstanding they are exactly correct.

mircea_popescu: this is the fundamental problem of racism, that it imagines a bag in which there are 8e795 possible balls out of which you pull 8e20 or so can be approximated on the basis of "i've seen THOUSANDS of 8e20 pulls! and besides, the bag is only like 8e21 or maaaybe 8e22". it is not. it is literally 8e795. ☟︎

ben_vulpes: would mean he has some knowledge i don't and i went to college dammit!"

ben_vulpes: i remain unconvinced that selection applied to us base stock will filter anything of quality out; ppm one'd want to filter for demands astronomical throughput. perhaps this is just the perspective of a guy who's been stuck in the mayogendered, kilt-wearing, anally opposed to the notion of getting pretty for a date, "i won't buy the truck you suggest i buy because A MAN SUGGESTED I BUY A GOOD TRUCK and that

ben_vulpes: the relevant other side of http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2017-9-11#202626 is that they know intimately how shitty their own street urchins are; and hope that *any* selection process applied to a base stock of omfg not that shit that i see every day will yield better results than the horror stories of american "foster system", obvious drawbacks of adopting out of their local pool of poor

BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> ben_vulpes in general i find select women infinitely more dependable than select men ; this may be an artefact of my very female focus tho. << Well, the key here is 'select'

mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes in general i find select women infinitely more dependable than select men ; this may be an artefact of my very female focus tho.

ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: "usgistani woman", i suppose. one of those irate generalizations.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-18#1715612 << i find this theory very unpersuasive. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-09-18 05:40 ben_vulpes: getting in on any sort of investment with a woman you don't own lock stock and all three holes is the dumbest thing i have ever heard of

phf: asciilifeform: i'm actually surprised, you guys didn't have a separate water hose in your su bathroom for ass washing?

asciilifeform: ftr, i never saw bidet with own eyes until timisoara in '14.

a111: Logged on 2017-09-18 12:00 phf: i'm sure there's a lateral systematic rot there, but not directly where you point http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-17#1715331 there's a technical reasons for why you want 3 generation bidet before touching piano

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-18#1715589 << i'd be curious re what are these 'technical reasons' ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-09-18 11:39 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-17#1715334 << i don't grok this populist sentiment coming from you of all people. su was hardly rwanda in terms of "1st gen in shoes" and the bulk of those "flew into space" people were pulled from gulags

phf: i'm sure there's a lateral systematic rot there, but not directly where you point http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-17#1715331 there's a technical reasons for why you want 3 generation bidet before touching piano ☝︎☟︎

phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-17#1715334 << i don't grok this populist sentiment coming from you of all people. su was hardly rwanda in terms of "1st gen in shoes" and the bulk of those "flew into space" people were pulled from gulags ☝︎☟︎

phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-15#1714939 << no, i'm going to meet with a friend who jumped through those hoops though. he might know a couple of moscows collocations ☝︎

phf: i'm getting ads when browsing on my phone "купить майнер под ключ!" i guess russia is reliving 2014?

ben_vulpes: and in other splittenings; bill kristol presents the "exquisitely poll-tested effort to create a safe new center" (nolabels.org); "we stand together against an alternative right disdainful of the traditions of American conservativism and a vocal left that blends socialist economics with identity politics" hurrrrr yes please i would like my beige underpowered mini van with tan seats oh and can i have the

ben_vulpes: getting in on any sort of investment with a woman you don't own lock stock and all three holes is the dumbest thing i have ever heard of ☟︎

ben_vulpes: > but there's definitely an advantage to both people being on it i'm sure

BingoBoingo: know about before. This one I'm looking at would be perfect for us and if we cut back on some things will be able to make the payments on."

BingoBoingo: with those kind of things than he is. But to be clear. I'm not taking advantage of him. He knows we need a good house together. I'll be moving from my parents' house and won't be moving into some drab fixer-upper that needs workers over all the time, which is really expensive in the long-run anyways. We've talked about this. He knows we need a decent house. And all the ones within our "budget" are drab fixer-uppers which we really didn't

BingoBoingo: http://archive.is/UrXRj >> "I can do the basic stuff and have already watched some youtube videos, but I'll also be around whenever we need a repairman to come and he's at work, which helps out a lot. I'll also be doing my part with the household chores when he's not around and making sure the place is clean. I'll also be in charge of the finances and make sure the bills are paid on time and everything like that. I'm much more organized

BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> and similarly i could see myself having a problem with "the expansion of their commercial influence" if it's essentially aiming to make the world safer for old women. << i.e the Yankee cancer.

mats: well, that'd be an internal issue for the party, i don't see a chinese interest in ruling over anybody else, just extracting tribute

mircea_popescu: and similarly i could see myself having a problem with "the expansion of their commercial influence" if it's essentially aiming to make the world safer for old women.

mats: i have a problem with usg doing it under pretensions of enforcing their sense of human rights and democracy

mircea_popescu: i'm not strictly against bomb dropping as such.

mats: i mean the expansion of their commercial influence as a general example of an empire of soft power

mircea_popescu: "omg my future! it is ruined!" "wtf do you think futures are, like orgasms ?" "yeah... as a matter of fact... i do!"

mircea_popescu: yeah i guess.

mircea_popescu: i'd have wished you a heartfeltly traditional http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-07#1711142 ; but as it is what're we talking about ? ☝︎

mircea_popescu: mats depends what you mean by "Soft power". if by soft power you mean something as seen in the graduate, or for that matter in that lulzy thing with a 19yo tom cruise pimping out de mornay & friends, ie what teh parents are doing, i'll tell you tis outright despicable.

mircea_popescu: and i've no problem whatsoever with china in the political sense. nor much clue as to actual life there, who knows, maybe they're great.

mircea_popescu: mats notrly afaik. if i found one i'd go.

mats: i'm observing their development of commerce and nuanced relationships in, say, the indian ocean, through building of ports along the littoral, but they've pointedly ignored human rights issues the west cares about in e.g. sri lanka

mats: i have my own reservations about .cn, but it notably does not interfere with another state's internal politics and does not dispense hypocritical lectures about human rights the way the west does

mircea_popescu: and btw : i'd like to watch a porno called "dilda das vegas".

mircea_popescu: exactly. "what would you do if you were in a train compartment with einstein ?" "i'd stfu"

asciilifeform: asciilifeform was sometimes genuinely vexed, when collegues & various folx would ask him, 'what would you ask erdos', etc. and they never liked my answer, which is that i have nothing worth asking erdos or gauss or etc

mircea_popescu: "i am so and so, ask me anything". final development on the whole "we are all one" nonsense.

mats: LKY attributes this quote to Deng Xiaoping: "If I have to shoot 200,000 students to save China from another 100 years of disorder, so be it."

mats: i swear they gave the thing to obama just to piss him off, given its history